Quote :

"^^ I currently bring my lunches in the disposable tupperware containers and only have to clean off my fork afterwards. Nothing to wash out and nothing to bring home. I'm definately lazy in this respect."

Fair enough. My other suggestion would be to stock up on water bottles/low calorie Gatorade/Powerade, drink that throughout the day, ideally finish by protein powder time and then just fill it back up with water and the powder. I did that a couple of times myself.

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM. Reason : You might need to shell out for a funnel as well.]

6/22/2010 4:31:16 PM

Quote :

"120 calories is pretty good for 30g of protein. But $4/bottle in a case ($48/12) seems a little steep."

yeah, thats what i mean.
i only buy em every so often and just switch em out as a treat.
they are by far the best tasting protein drin ks ive ever had.
and the macros are freaking fabulous.

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM. Reason : dfdsfs]

6/22/2010 4:32:21 PM

http://wholesalesupplementstore.com/

I order my supplements and protein from here, much cheaper and you just have to plan ahead when you're getting close to running out.

They will send you emails with free shipping codes once in awhile, too.

6/22/2010 4:41:04 PM

I really like these. I found them for $1/bottle at Harris Teeter one time and bought 25....



32g Protein, but 220 calories.

6/22/2010 4:42:32 PM

I prefer these:

it's a liquid protein "shot", 3 oz, 180 calories, 42g Protein, 0 fat, 0 sugar, 2 carbs

you can have one with a meal to get in your protein and they travel well too!

6/22/2010 4:47:19 PM

what dat taste like

6/22/2010 4:48:06 PM

thinner than jello, thicker than kool-aid

i like fruit punch and grape

6/22/2010 4:49:27 PM

i have one of those in my fridge ive yet to try!

6/22/2010 4:51:25 PM

don't eat them on an empty stomach

make sure you eat something with it

they are quick and taste great

but i have sweet teef

6/22/2010 4:53:10 PM

i was doing semi alright today. I worked out and i wasn't eating complete crap but then......

the sudden urge to make cookies overcame me

they were totally delicious so I froze most of the dough so I wouldn't make 80 bajillion of them like i usually do

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 5:59 PM. Reason : where can you find those protein shot things? I am having issues getting my protein in]

6/22/2010 5:51:27 PM

Quote :

"where can you find those protein shot things? I am having issues getting my protein in"

Obligatory:
*Cough* *cough*

On topic:
GNC or The Vitamin Shoppe probably has them.

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM. Reason : -]

6/22/2010 6:18:23 PM

New whey is good shit! Even better when they're ice cold.

6/22/2010 6:48:37 PM

Did a nice 25.7 mile ride this morning before work. I'm thinking about trying to do about the same thing again tomorrow. My legs were feeling it for the first 5 miles or so, but the last half I felt awesome.

6/22/2010 6:52:46 PM

25 minutes on the treadmill just now.

Too bad I went to a buffet for lunch . I controlled my portions though and only got two plates.

6/22/2010 7:47:42 PM

P90X
WEEK 1 - DAY 1
Starting Weight: 196.6lb





WEEK 3 DAY 2
Weight before Plyometrics: 190.0lb (6.6lb lost in two weeks)
Weight after Plyometrics: 188.2lb (1.8lb water lost and I've been hydrating all day!)





So stuff is happening! I can see it in the pictures. However, I still would like to get to a target body fat of about 15% or lower. I'm currently near 22%.

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 8:18 PM. Reason : -]

6/22/2010 8:17:11 PM

i can see a difference too, keep up the good work!

6/22/2010 8:28:40 PM

yeah that shit really works. too good for losing weight though. im normally like 135-140 and i was eating a ton while doing it. went down to 125 so i stopped (though i did look more muscular).

keep it up man. tough to keep with that hour a day but if you got the willpower it def works.

im working 2-3x a week now just to not be fat. working alright so far. gym tomorrow.

6/22/2010 8:28:45 PM

looking good ALkatraz!! gg!

6/22/2010 8:58:00 PM

has anyone else heard of this new multi level social marketing thing? i've seen it with travel sites (rovia) and now with nutritional stuff... i'm not buying into it nor am i particularly interested just wanted to see if others have seen this popping up in their social circles

here is a facebook post made by someone about this "company"

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"BODY BY VI - EXCELLENT NUTRITIONAL SHAKES WITH GREAT BENEFITS...CHECK THIS OUT!Share Today at 7:31pm Wow! I was invited by some great friends to come by for a HEALTH SHAKE PARTY. Ok, so I've been to Party Lite, Mary Kay, Tupperwear, Pampered Chef parties etc. and so forth! I have never been to a HEALTH SHAKE PARTY and I enjoyed the fellowship, the benefits AND THE SHAKE... ok, if you want to know ANY information about loosing weight, eating better, getting healthy and even making a living at this, here is the perfect solution for EVERY BUDGET and to accomplish your goals. If you want more information, contact [took name out] at [removed the email too]...and check out http://www.livesmart.bodybyvi.com/ This shake is not just for weight management. It is for nutrition, and for health. The shake when mixed with non-fat milk or soy milk delivers 20-25 grams of protein, which is the amount nutritionists recommend we get in each meal. Now body builders claim they often need more, because they are trying to build lean muscle. This may not be true, as not all proteins are created equal. This is the key reason we don’t put ‘grams’ of protein on our shake and tout it like many store brands do. I say this because some brands pump up the ‘grams’ of protein by adding gelatin (great for skin/hair/nails, but not lean muscle). Some use dehydrated milk powder, some just whey. Those also are ok, but not the latest in science. We use a combination of proteins because they act differently in the body. The soy is used because of it’s heart health benefits. Adequate consumption of soy in the diet can help the body lower c-reactive proteins, an indicator of inflammation and possibly heart disease. Soy is also easily digestible, and a complete protein. Our soy is unique in that we use a non-GMO Soy (not genetically modified), and was specially processed to remove the isoflavones that can impact estrogen. While those isoflavones may be beneficial, we know that women with fibroids, muscle builders, and others worry about the impact of estrogen. Non-GMO soy is about 45% more expensive than regular soy, but we chose to use it because of the concerns some people have about soy. We use a whey concentrate for fast acting hunger control. Then we use a unique whey hydrolysate, which is the latest technology and is very expensive. It helps retain lean muscle, and is very highly absorbed. While some wheys can be absorbed about 80%, whey hydrolysate is much higher. It is a pure, clean, and concentrated protein. Combine that with the Aminogen, and we have more ingredients to help build, and maintain lean muscle while promoting fast loss. So the 3 types of proteins help support heart health, bone health, muscle health, digestive health, and can help curb hunger quickly, and last too! For athletes, it is recommended that they get protein into their body within 30 minutes after completing a workout. Protein will help the muscles repair themselves, and quicker. This is why our shake was designed to mix in water, and still taste great, and why we have it in individual serving packets. People can take the packet to the gym, and mix it in water and get it into their bodies quickly. The key points of difference are the quality of the proteins that we use (absorbability) as well as the fact that we added Aminogen®. Aminogen is a patented, and clinically tested ingredient that has been shown to help the body better utilize the protein. This way, you get more nutrition into the body and the muscle. We are also lower sodium than most brands (I’ve not found one yet lower than us). Here is some information I found, that may be useful: A few bodybuilding and weight training coaches recommend protein intakes of 40 percent of energy; for example 40% protein, 40% carbohydrate; 20% fat. Let's take a look at this. In the 4000 calorie diet of our 100 kilogram bodybuilder, 40% protein would be 1600 calories, equivalent to 400 grams of protein at 4 calories per gram. That's 4 grams/protein/kilogram body weight/day; over four times the RDI and twice what's scientifically defensible. Not good. Fast and Slow Proteins How quickly amino acids get transported to blood and how quickly they then get assimilated into muscle and other tissue for repair and rebuilding is the basis of this idea. According to some enthusiasts, fast proteins such as whey are superior to slow proteins like casein. Both are derivatives of milk products. Here are some values (Bilsborough 2006): •Egg protein 1.3 grams/hour •Casein isolate - 6.1 grams/hour •Whey isolate - 8-10 grams/hour There's not much evidence that these variations make a difference to muscle building over the longer term, although whey has shown some advantage in short-term studies. Yet the other useful information that can be gleaned from the numbers above is that with an average protein absorption of, say, 7 grams/hour, a theoretical absorption is limited to around 168 grams each day (24x7). If accurate, it makes the 400 gram/day protein diets look entirely unnecessary at best. Very high-protein diets may not be safe over time for the following reasons: •High levels of nitrogen and amino acids can be toxic. •High-protein diets are not safe for those people suffering from chronic kidney disease. Up to 20 percent of the population may be undiagnosed. Protein and Strength Athletes While endurance athletes are easy to convince of the need for a high carbohydrate, low fat diet, strength athletes are a bit harder to convince of the need for adequate carbs and moderate protein. Strength athletes have long adhered to high protein diets in order to build muscle. This idea of high protein = more muscle is a bit overstated. According to the research of sports nutritionists, strength athletes require high carbohydrate and adequate glycogen stored in the muscle. They point out that all high intensity, powerful muscle contractions (such as weight lifting) are fueled with carbohydrate. Neither fat nor protein can be oxidized rapidly enough to meet the demands of high-intensity exercise. Adequate dietary carbohydrate must be consumed on a daily basis to restore glycogen levels. In fact, research shows that high protein/high fat diets can hurt performance. An inadequate amount of carbohydrate in the diet can result in: •Reduced muscle glycogen stores in the muscle and liver •Decreased endurance •Decreased maximal effort •Decreased serum glucose levels •Increased risk of hypoglycemia High protein/high fat diets can also have a negative overall impact on health, including the following: •Increased risk of certain cancers •Increased calcium excretion and increased risk of osteoporosis •Reduced intake of vitamins, minerals, fiber and phytochemicals But Don't Strength Athletes Need More Protein To Build Muscle? Research hasn't shown this. In fact most strength athletes get far more protein than is necessary to promote muscle synthesis. The current protein recommendations for optimal muscle building in a strength athlete is 1.6 - 1.7 gm protein per kg of body weight. For a athlete weighing 90 kg (200 pounds) that is a total of 145 - 154 grams of protein a day [about 3 small chicken breasts]. There is no scientific evidence that more than 2.0 grams of protein per kg of body weight has any additional benefit in muscle strength or size. So What Should an Athlete Eat? The recommendations of sports nutritionists continues to show performance enhancing benefits. These general guidelines are: •12-15% of daily calories from protein. •25-30% of daily calories from fat. •55-65% of daily calories from carbohydrate. •An athlete's nutrition plan should be individualized to meet the needs of training and competition. •Carbohydrates are the primary fuel for intense muscular efforts, and should be the cornerstone of an athlete's diet, regardless of the sport they play. "

6/22/2010 9:04:19 PM

I think I'll end up joining in tomorrow (better late than never). Just checking out this thread every now and then is some killer motivation. No picture tonight since I feel like a fatty after eating.

I consistently do an hour of strength & conditioning followed by an hour of some sort of fighting training - boxing, muay thai, or jui jitsu. I finally gave in and changed my diet around to match the exercise that I'm getting, so I hope to see some decent results in the next month or two.

6/22/2010 9:29:09 PM

i just came in here to post that before my wedding a month ago i worked out twice a week and gained about 5 pounds in lean muscle. since the wedding i have not worked out (who do i gotta impress? lol) and ive lost 10 pounds (presumably all muscle)

i didnt know it happened that quickly

6/22/2010 9:30:52 PM

im proud to say that my participation & commitment to insanity has inspired several of my friends to pick up the program & give it a shot.

today alone i had 2 friends contact me about it. one is considering the program & another is on day 3 & looking for encouragement

this thread has had effects beyond the internetz!!

6/22/2010 9:35:36 PM

Go to BJ's or any wholesale store.. or order online (Amazon has 12 packs for $37):



These are epic post workout. My favorite is either "Mocha Blast" or "Chocolate Peanut Butter".

6/22/2010 9:46:58 PM

those do look pretty awesome....may have to try em out

it's gonna take a miricle to get me off of my blitz

maybe cody could use those though, his caloric intake is much higher than mine...


alright heres the food damage for the day:

1499 cals

44-36-20 (protein-fat-carb percentages)
166-143-35 (grams )

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 9:56 PM. Reason : dfgfgd]

6/22/2010 9:50:57 PM

I had 1589 calories and burned 300...

6/22/2010 9:57:39 PM

They seriously taste wicked good... and if you're working out, you're burning calories anyways so it really isn't that bad. Definitely show them to Cody though... the "Mocha Blast" flavor even has 200 mg of caffeine (it's the only flavor that has caffeine) to give you a little boost post workout.

6/22/2010 10:05:33 PM

i seriously am gonna try one.


i wonder if they have them at sam's club.

6/22/2010 10:06:18 PM

Make sure they're cold though (i.e. put it in the fridge for a while)... they taste like garbage warm. The fruit one isn't too bad, either.

6/22/2010 10:06:55 PM

these things taste hideous to me; they are way too thick and slimey if you don't dilute them with water in my opinion. However, if you like them, DPS Nutrition is selling a dozen for $24 right now.

http://www.dpsnutrition.net/get_item_id131.htm

The RTD51 shakes posted above are delicious, but they cost almost a dollar more per drink.

6/22/2010 10:11:04 PM

^Those are disgusting... most hydrolyzed whey protein drinks (as in non-shake/legitimate whey protein drinks) are. The RTD51 shakes are worth it though, 51g of quality Metamyosin protein. Honestly though, I used to drink 1 of these after every workout at the gym and they worked for me.

http://www.metrx.com/shop/parent.aspx?ParentID=5&catid=1

Don't buy them from the actual website though, Amazon's waaaay cheaper.

6/22/2010 10:25:04 PM

Sorry for the double post, too late to edit... but here's my intake for the day:



I could give a shit less about sugar, since most of it's in the form of lactose. And the remaining sugar are typically from honey (honey mustard, double oat and honey bagels, etc.)

6/22/2010 11:07:33 PM

^^me too! (i used to drink these after most workouts )
30 grams protein, 120 cals.

more for those of you watching your caloric intake.

http://theconsumerlink.com/PROTEINBLITZ/detail/TCL+10501009/0


it's like the mini version of eli's drink



[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 11:13 PM. Reason : imma get some of these rtd51s this weekend and post my review ]

6/22/2010 11:09:20 PM

COMMERCIAL FOR MET-RX ON ESPN!!!1! Coincidence? I think not. (11:12)

^And your drink can be more marketed towards women, seeing how apparently every woman ITT is trying to keep it under 1500 ahah.

6/22/2010 11:14:54 PM

^aha not really. im aiming for the 1600-1700 range.

but as women we generally need lower cals (GENERALLY SPEAKING OF COURSE)


that being said...speaking of met RX-ive been killing these lately: (well half at a time)


makes me feel like im cheating without actually cheating

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 11:19 PM. Reason : dtgrfedgf]

6/22/2010 11:17:56 PM

Broken link, but please say Colossal 100 bars... the cookies & cream tastes ridiculously good... I buy them in bulk.

6/22/2010 11:19:10 PM

^those are effing good too

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 11:20 PM. Reason : ^where do you go to the gym?]

6/22/2010 11:20:00 PM

I still live in Massachusetts, so a gym that you've never heard of. When I move down to Raleigh in a month, I'll start hitting up a local gym for a while and then move onto NCSU's athletes' gym.

6/22/2010 11:30:00 PM

saweeeeeeet. let me know!

6/22/2010 11:31:34 PM

Damn, maybe it's time I jumped on the P90X bandwagon.

6/22/2010 11:33:09 PM

for those who make their own protein shakes... sometimes i'll make a shake for breakfast when im on the road & i'll put a cup of coffee in there! it adds a nice kick to the morning breakfast & lets you drink it quick bc you put ice in it

ive posted it before but here is what i mix together (in my magic bullet)

- banana
- dab of peanut butter
- protein powder
- cup of coffee
- ice

i love it!

6/22/2010 11:39:38 PM

you can make your own protein bars using whey, oatmeal, peanut butter, and molasses. they taste a lot better and can have a better nutritional breakdown. I've got a thread somewhere in chit chat on how to make them.

6/22/2010 11:50:50 PM

^Post that shit and I'll bake some tomorrow.

6/23/2010 12:05:01 AM

Holy cow this is really badass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQmFvCtx_Io&NR=1

6/23/2010 3:26:14 AM

I'm jumping on the P90X bandwagon when I move to Alabama.. excitedd

6/23/2010 8:33:56 AM

the only protein bars ive made were...whey, kashi's go lean, vanilla, and egg whites.

i've seen recipes all over the place but never tried em, but i am interested


however buying them is so much easier and i like to use them as cheat foods



[Edited on June 23, 2010 at 8:52 AM. Reason : -->

6/23/2010 8:51:18 AM

I was talking to my trainer today - and he recommended Lara bars - said they didn't contain as many preservatives and were much better than Cliff or Luna bars (which is what i've been having)

6/23/2010 8:54:44 AM

I love Lara Bars. They're gluten free and super tasty. Lower in protein than most bars, but NOM!

Also, great work, Alkatraz! You're getting buff!

[Edited on June 23, 2010 at 9:08 AM. Reason : .]

6/23/2010 9:05:34 AM

i actually have a pretty detailed question:

if i eat casien protein for lunch and then work out like 3-4 hours later....will i still be digesting the casien and not get full effects from a whey protein shake after the workout?

[Edited on June 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM. Reason : my casien source is cottage cheese no powders ]

6/23/2010 9:07:49 AM

Quote :

"I'm jumping on the P90X bandwagon when I move to Alabama.. excitedd"

You may also want to check out Insanity, since it doesn't require any equipment. If I recall P90x requires weights...but if you're getting weights anyway then its certainly a good way to go.

6/23/2010 9:14:28 AM

I would be inclined to say you will get benefits from both. Casein takes a while to digest because it forms a gel in your stomach. If you were to later have a whey shake your body would begin digesting that too. There is a point more protein doesn't necessarily give more benefit though.

6/23/2010 9:17:00 AM