^ That's like the billionth time you've brought up that statement. It's been covered in this thread already. Look up "Affirmative Defense".

3/30/2012 2:12:18 PM

I was about to say, since when did the burden of proof shift?

3/30/2012 2:13:09 PM

Anyway, on a completely unrelated note:


It would suck pretty bad to be a part of the home owners association for that neighborhood where Trayvon was shot and killed.
They are going to have to bite the bullet for monetary damages in this case should Trayvon's family decide to pursue this death in a civil case. If the HOA loses, the members are going to be liable for paying out.

3/30/2012 2:31:48 PM

^Are you fucking serious?

FUCK THAT.


Just another reason why HOAs suck.

3/30/2012 2:35:17 PM

Dead serious. The HOA told it's members "if you can't contact the police, have any questions, want tips, or see someone suspicious...call George Zimmerman".

That's pretty harsh evidence (in a civil case) that the HOA led Zimmerman to believe as well as put Zimmerman in charge of their security.



FUCK the HOA is right! Ha ha ha ...it's great if you want to have a neighborhood park built, or swimming pool. It sucks if they get sued.

3/30/2012 2:38:04 PM

Ok, this shit is just getting out of hand now.


http://www.wesh.com/r/30805045/detail.html

Quote :

"The well-known civil rights activists will lead a rally and march that begins at Crooms Academy at 11 a.m. and ends at the Sanford Police Department. Sharpton said he will call for an escalation of peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions unless George Zimmerman is immediately arrested. "We are not calling for any sanctions, against any business or anybody else," said Seminole County NAACP spokesman Turner Clayton. "And of course what Al Sharpton does, that's strictly the action network, we're not part of that. We can't condone that part of the conversation, if that's what he's saying." Local Sanford businesses said they cannot afford any more economic hits. "We have taken a huge economic hit," said business owner Christine Johns. Johns' consignment shop has been open three weeks, and she said some people are uneasy about doing business in Sanford because of the publicity. Johns said people should not feel uncomfortable about visiting Sanford. "I think there's a big misconception that Sanford is some volatile place and that it's become dangerous or people should stay away," said Johns. "We were open during all the rallies." Earlier in the week another local business said they have been impacted by the attention on the city. "We work at capacity, and when I don't work at capacity, I cut hours," said Willow Tree Cafe owner Theo Hollerbach. "So our capacity level has dropped, and we've lost about 10 to 12 percent of our sales." Shop owners want the public to know they are open. "We welcome them with open arms to come and visit with us," said Johns. Saturday's rally comes after big developments in the case, including a video showing Zimmerman in handcuffs at the police station on the night of the shooting. Some said the video proves Zimmerman's account of the incident, that Martin punched him to the ground and repeatedly smashed his head into the pavement, is untrue because he shows no apparent signs of having been in an altercation. READ: Police Report "This just confirms that Zimmerman, his self-defense theory and his self-defense story do not add up," Martin family attorney Natalie Jackson said. Officers also released a partial police report Thursday, however, which notes that Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head when officers arrived at the scene. A funeral director, who prepared Martin's body for burial, said the 17-year-old's hands showed no signs of a struggle. "I saw the evidence of the gunshot wound in the upper chest. I did not see any signs he's been in a scuffle or a fist-fight." Richard Kurtz said."

[Edited on March 30, 2012 at 5:01 PM. Reason : /]

3/30/2012 5:01:38 PM

All jokes aside, do you think Mr. Zimmerman played teh Mega-Millions tonite?

3/30/2012 10:22:29 PM

Probably not. FL doesnt have the MegaMillions Lotto.

3/31/2012 8:15:10 AM

now this is just tasteless

3/31/2012 8:32:24 AM

^ thats ridiculous

Live streaming video of NAACP march for Trayvon in Fl:
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/trayvon-martin-shooting

3/31/2012 11:29:24 AM

cant al sharpton just die already

^^LMAO

[Edited on March 31, 2012 at 7:53 PM. Reason : d]

3/31/2012 7:53:10 PM

Zimmerboy screwed:

Quote :

"Trayvon Martin case audio: Screams were not George Zimmerman's, 2 experts say"

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-audio-screams-were-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say

4/1/2012 1:54:05 AM

I place some blame on the bystanders who heard screams for help and didn't help.

Has Zimmerman ever claimed it was his voice in the call?

[Edited on April 1, 2012 at 2:10 AM. Reason : ]

4/1/2012 2:07:04 AM

^i agree!

the neighbors should have stopped the fight.

4/1/2012 2:10:44 AM

Strange that the parents supposedly said it wasn't Martin, when experts are saying it was.

4/1/2012 2:14:33 AM

^ I think it was just the cops who said his did didn't think it was Treyvon. At this point it's hard to tell when the cops were actually investigating, and when they were engaged in covering up.

4/1/2012 9:22:27 AM

2 experts = sharpton and spike lee?

4/1/2012 12:42:02 PM

They really need a sample of martins voice to make that assessment. The voice yelling help is kind of drawn out and dumpy sounding to me, which matches zimmerman in his 911 call.

4/1/2012 3:12:16 PM

The brother of Zimmerman was on some show said that was his brother yelling for help..Piers Morgan show I think it was? He also said Zimmerman cried for 3 straight days and the he tutored black kids so he is no racist.

[Edited on April 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM. Reason : w]

4/1/2012 3:49:54 PM

Holy Shit that Mortal Kombat thing is fucking hilarious.

4/1/2012 5:07:24 PM

What's this I hear about NBC editing the 911 tape too make Zimmerman sound inherently more racist.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/nbc-to-do-internal-investigation-on-zimmerman-segment/2012/03/31/gIQAc4HhnS_blog.html?hpid=z6

Quote :

"Great news right there. As exposed by Fox News and media watchdog site NewsBusters, the “Today” segment took this approach to a key part of the dispatcher call: Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black. Here’s how the actual conversation went down: Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black. "

4/1/2012 8:12:46 PM

^ that's pretty shameless by NBC but does hannity not realize that he just did 5 minutes of the same type of misleading editing while trying to call this out? His entire show is practically that same type of attempt to distort reality.

4/1/2012 8:29:03 PM

Thus it is much more damning when someone who does that calls you out and is actually correct.

4/1/2012 8:31:44 PM

Quote :

"that's pretty shameless by NBC but does hannity not realize that he just did 5 minutes of the same type of misleading editing while trying to call this out? His entire show is practically that same type of attempt to distort reality."

The news is no different than a sitcom or police procedural; they're not there to state facts, they're there to create sensationalist stories that get viewers to watch which sells ad space. The key part is they are not obligated to just state facts. People don't want facts, they want stories. That people take all this shit to be the absolute truth is funny/scary.

4/1/2012 9:09:09 PM

GG NBC

4/1/2012 9:33:30 PM

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[Edited on April 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM. Reason : shit doesn't post right...what the fuck ever]

4/1/2012 9:34:13 PM

So according to that, they do in fact, need a man, right?

4/1/2012 10:26:34 PM

Are we 100% sure that that video is actually of Zimmerman being led into the police station?

I wasn't under the impression that when you were only going in for questioning, they handcuffed you and led you in like you had been arrested for a crime.

I could be wrong, but that's not how I usually thought it went down.

Also, that doesn't look much like Zimmerman, however, I guess he could have changed a lot since that mug shot was taken years ago.

4/1/2012 11:30:13 PM

I wasnt 100% on the video, but no one has denied that's him, the date and times match, and the clothes match. The Orlando sentinel has been decent so far at following up on things like that.

4/1/2012 11:33:13 PM

^^Since you probably only watch Fox News:

They also reported it was Zimmerboy, so it must be true: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29/police-video-trayvon-martins-killer-smoking-gun-lawyer-says/

And, Zimmerboy wasnt screaming for help when he killed the kid:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/01/voice-heard-screaming-on-11-tape-is-not-trayvon-martin-shooter-george-zimmerman/

[Edited on April 1, 2012 at 11:39 PM. Reason : ..]

4/1/2012 11:39:16 PM

I'm still hesitant to take those analysis at face value. What kind of software is called Easy Voice Biometrics?
Sounds like spyware

4/1/2012 11:46:27 PM

I wasn't saying it wasn't but so much incorrect shit has been leaked in this case I was just asking if it was confirmed for sure that that was him.

Also, 2 experts saying that is Trayvon is laughable.

I'm sure there are 2 more that will say it's Zimmerman.

So stop acting like that some set in stone end of the case evidence, did you even read the fucking article?

Quote :

"An expert in forensic voice identification analyzing the 911 recordings in the Trayvon Martin case for the Orlando Sentinel tells the paper that it is likely not Martin’s shooter, George Zimmerman, heard calling for help. Tom Owen used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman, according to the paper. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion. Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, shot Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, during a confrontation Feb. 26. On that night, a woman called 911 to report someone crying out for help in her gated Sanford, Fla., community. While several other neighbors also called authorities, the first call came early enough for dispatchers to hear panicked cries and the gunshot that killed Trayvon Martin. According to the Sentinel, Owen, a court-qualified expert witness, is an authority on biometric voice analysis -- a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match. "I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen said, according to the Sentinel. Software called Easy Voice Biometrics was used to compare that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen said, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare."

They didn't say it WASN'T Zimmerman, only that it was LIKELY not him. They also didn't even confirm that it was Trayvon's because they don't even have a sample of his voice to compare it to. Jesus fucking Christ, did you even comprehend what that article said before you came in here spouting off about it?

That shit would get fucking DESTROYED if it ever went to court. Hell, that shit probably wouldn't even be allowed.

Good find sir.


The screams are far away in the background of a 911 call made during a fucking fight.

Good luck being able to analyze any of that with "certainty"

[Edited on April 1, 2012 at 11:50 PM. Reason : ,]

4/1/2012 11:48:38 PM

The case is not about Zimmerman's racism.

4/1/2012 11:55:09 PM

^^





The voice analysis software (that costs $5,000) showed the zimmerboy didnt scream for help. Therefore, there is less proof for zimmerboy's self-defense case. That is the point... Whether Trayvon screamed or not is a secondary matter.

Also, before that police video came out, it had sounded like zimmerboy was dying from the beat down he got. The video shows the guy walking around ready to grab beer with ya.

[Edited on April 1, 2012 at 11:57 PM. Reason : ...]

4/1/2012 11:56:38 PM

No, it showed that he likely didn't scream for help, which isn't certain.

Once again, stop making things to be certain when they are not.

That's the biggest problem with this case.

They said it was "likely" not him.

Which means they don't think it was, but it still could have been.

4/1/2012 11:58:51 PM

Quote :

"Also, 2 experts saying that is Trayvon is laughable. I'm sure there are 2 more that will say it's Zimmerman."

Lol " you're sure"? Then where are they?

The biggest problem with this case is that there was ample evidence to take Zimmerman in and it wasn't done.

[Edited on April 2, 2012 at 12:03 AM. Reason : ]

4/2/2012 12:01:49 AM

Quote :

"Once again, stop making things to be certain when they are not. That's the biggest problem with this case. They said it was "likely" not him. Which means they don't think it was, but it still could have been."

You idiot. NOTHING is certain. No expert will every say something is certainly one way or the other.

4/2/2012 12:05:13 AM

I will not be vacationing in Florida until this case is resolved.

Spent $3K last year on a vacation there, not doing it again.

4/2/2012 12:11:39 AM

Quote :

"The voice analysis software (that costs $5,000)"

$5,000 = perfect. That's chump change, and it's probably the government price which is usually higher than the for-profit private sector price. But in any case how does the cost equal its qualification? The government has purchased toilet seats for more than that, so what?

Anyway, the funeral directory's opinion was also published as hard evidence by some news outlet. I seriously hope you're a lot younger than I am and just at a gullible stage or naive. The some people eat up this bullshit is scary. It's the shoot first, don't ask questions ever type of attitude that really has me worried.

Quote :

"I will not be vacationing in Florida until this case is resolved. Spent $3K last year on a vacation there, not doing it again."

2K more would have gotten you some sweet voice analysis software, you could totally be a witness in this case.

[Edited on April 2, 2012 at 12:18 AM. Reason : 2K]

4/2/2012 12:17:37 AM

Quote :

"You idiot. NOTHING is certain. No expert will every say something is certainly one way or the other."

Exactly my point.

So you can't sit here and say it wasn't Zimmerman when there is a reasonable chance that it was him.

Also, I love how these "experts" just appeared out of nowhere.

They are comparing a scream, heard faintly in the background of a 911 call recorded over the phone, to a voice recorded from someone from another 911 call.

LOL, please, that shit wouldn't hold up in court for more than two seconds before it was laughed out the door.

Hell, any prosecutor wouldn't even allow it to be put into evidence.

4/2/2012 12:19:33 AM

Quote :

" It's the shoot first, don't ask questions ever type of attitude that really has me worried."

Lol surely you realize the irony?

No questions would have ever been asked in this case if the parents didn't generate public outrage.

Even you must admit that there is enough reason to at least bring up charges and let a trial run its course.

4/2/2012 12:31:16 AM

ahaha wow. NBC pulling out the left wing bullshit. BUT BUT BUT FOX NEWS IS THE ONE THAT MAKE STUFF UP.

Quote :

"Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black."

Eat a dick, NBC.

4/2/2012 8:32:52 AM

Yeah, the lowest any news organization can stoop is acting like Fox News.

4/2/2012 8:40:27 AM

Quote :

"Lol surely you realize the irony?"

Lol, no. There's no irony there; Zimmerman did not walk up to TM and shoot him, then call the cops and claim a junkie was looking for a place to break into. "News" sources are, however, trying to break the latest and will report anything that is sensational or anything they can spin into something sensational. They'll shoot/run the story then, and they haven't actually been doing this a lot, look for facts afterwards to back up the story.

I'm not taking sides here. I'm just saying people have been duped into the media's portrayal of the "facts" as they have been reported. I'm questioning what's been coming out because the popular belief doesn't make much sense. That is, TM is just walking along with some skittles and tea and GZ decides he's a danger and confronts then shoots him. If you want to be a sheep, fine. I'm not going to follow too.

LET ME REPEAT:

People are uninterested in getting to the facts, they want a conviction of Zimmerman.

4/2/2012 8:54:00 AM

Quote :

"People are uninterested in getting to the facts, they want a conviction of Zimmerman."

Nope.
They want an arrest and a proper investigation, and an explanation of why a charge against Zimmerman was initially punted.

Why was the lead investigators recommendations ignored by someone disconnected from the case? Why doesn't zimmermans allegations match his appearance in that video? Why is a local news paper having audio experts investigate who is screaming and not the police? Why did the police miss the potential racial slur in the 911 call?

The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of problems with how this case was handled, and the feeling is that if the victim was different, then things would have been handled differently. There's no reason to give the system the benefit of the doubt now, any good citizen would demand clarity,fairness, and justice in what looks like a murder.

You seem content to let one private citizen kill another without looking at things too closely.

I'd like to believe this wasnt racism, but instead a poor application of an overly lenient self defense law, but the Florida legal system is trying their best to keep people outraged about their handling of this issue.

Keep in mind that without the public outcry about the injustice in this case, this information wouldn't have gotten a second glance, much of it wouldn't even be known.

4/2/2012 9:09:30 AM

Quote :

"People are uninterested in getting to the facts, they want a conviction of Zimmerman."

this.

he hasnt even been indicted and theyre currently mulling whether or not that can get a hate crime to stick. if thats the avenue they pursue you better go ahead and start expecting him to walk.

but it would make the bigger news story if they took this road. also a higher chance of vigilante justice after the fact when zimmerman gets popped.

and dont pretend thats not that you want either-

4/2/2012 9:13:30 AM

Quote :

" I'm not taking sides here."

lulz

4/2/2012 9:17:04 AM

Quote :

"Why was the lead investigators recommendations ignored by someone disconnected from the case?"

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe the investigator just wanted it to be and open-and-shut case? The investigator uncovers the facts and the DA decides if there's enough to charge and then get a conviction. If you rush into it you risk failing at a conviction, more importantly failing to get a complete investigation (I know most of you don't care about that), and you can't retry a case as many times as you want.

None of this matters though, people had this guy pegged as guilty from the moment the story broke. The real irony here is that the people who are protesting for justice want to rush to a verdict and get this guy behind bars asap (get it? that's not justice, that's a twisted view on revenge.)

Quote :

"lulz"

lulz all you want but point out where I said Zimmerman should go free or Zimmerman should be convicted.

[Edited on April 2, 2012 at 9:26 AM. Reason : %]

4/2/2012 9:24:38 AM

and bingo again.

turn the tides and this would be the perfect carriage of justice as far as theyre concerned.

"oh look a black guy killed a non black and the wheels of justice turned slowly for a change."

if a black guy shot someone and wasnt immediately rubber stamped as a murderer then this would be hailed as a new day for america.

pretty disgusting mindset if you ask me.

[Edited on April 2, 2012 at 9:27 AM. Reason : -]

4/2/2012 9:27:35 AM

set it up

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4/2/2012 9:29:06 AM