True, but notice that Widmore's people did not start shooting until the exact moment that Jack pushed the MiB into the water, and it took the MiB a while to get out of the water. Maybe it's just that they wanted to shoot while the MiB was taken off guard, but I think there's some significance to the water and MiB.

And, if I recall correctly, there was an exchange between Sawyer and the MiB earlier this season in which Sawyer asked him why he didn't just turn into smoke and fly over to the other island, and he replied with something along the lines of "Don't you think that if I COULD do that, I would?," implying that he can't fly over bodies of water. Just a thought.

I think the mirrors in the alt-timeline will serve some purpose in helping one of the Losties in finding their "constant." In other words, I think one of them is probably so narcissistic (probably Jack) that they are their own constant. May be a stretch, but I think the mirrors will serve some purpose in getting them to "switch" back to the reality that we know. Either way, I think the alt-Losties are headed to the island existence. Des is gonna fuck some more people up just to get them in the hospital together (all in one, confined place? Uh-oh).

Also, I would not be surprised at all if the outrigger shooting is simply one of the gaping, tantalizing holes in the plot that remains uncovered. I think that probably a majority of casual fans have forgotten about this scene, even with all the cliffhanging importance that was placed on it when it happened. I don't think they're teasing us with all the boats/canoes; they've always used canoes and rafts and boats a lot on this show. I HOPE they answer the question, I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised I'd they don't answer it, leaving us to assume it was someone we didn't know that Juliet shot, or a really, really minor character (like one of the people who bailed on the MiB after the mortar attack or something). Hate to play the cynic, just saying.

5/6/2010 11:07:01 AM

Got to agree with that last paragraph. I had completely forgotten about it as well as many people on here probably. I don't see that becoming a storyline.

5/6/2010 11:22:25 AM

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"During one of the time-traveling flashes last season, Juliet, Sawyer and co. were on one of the outriggers they found on the beach. There was a flash and another outrigger with folks unknown appeared behind them and started shooting; Juliet popped one of them. They've been sort of teasing us all season with all the boats and shuttling between the two islands. I figure it has to be at least somewhat significant."

Thanks friend.

5/6/2010 12:00:35 PM

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"And, if I recall correctly, there was an exchange between Sawyer and the MiB earlier this season in which Sawyer asked him why he didn't just turn into smoke and fly over to the other island, and he replied with something along the lines of "Don't you think that if I COULD do that, I would?," implying that he can't fly over bodies of water. Just a thought. "

also why i said it didn't make sense for christian and MiB to be the same person when christian appeared on the freighter with michael. i guess MiB could've just been lying and wanted sawyer to go over on his own for some reason.

5/6/2010 12:56:51 PM

i don't think water harms MiB, but i think it keeps him from being able to turn into smoke.

5/6/2010 1:16:18 PM

Few questions to throw out--assuming those were Widmore's people that started shooting at everyone, were they actually shooting at the Losties or just shooting at the MiB? Why were they shooting at them? Were they just trying to prevent the MiB from getting on the submarine? That would prove that Widmore doesn't actually know that the MiB needs the Losties to kill each other before he can escape, rather than needing them to accompany him to leave the island, right?

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5/6/2010 1:52:38 PM

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" And, if I recall correctly, there was an exchange between Sawyer and the MiB earlier this season in which Sawyer asked him why he didn't just turn into smoke and fly over to the other island, and he replied with something along the lines of "Don't you think that if I COULD do that, I would?," implying that he can't fly over bodies of water. Just a thought."

kind of like hoverboards.

5/6/2010 2:45:36 PM

this has been discussed before, but it pisses me off enough that i want to re-hash it. All the stupid ass secrecy is annoying. Widmore could've been like, "hey, fake Locke can't kill y'all, so i want to keep you safe till I take his ass down, so chill in this Dharma break room for awhile cuz i don't want y'all to die." Instead he locks their asses in a prison cell and then cryptically tells them it's for their own good. It's garbage, and now Jin is dead that that sucks.

5/6/2010 4:04:09 PM

Your version of LOST would not be nearly this entertaining.

5/6/2010 4:14:31 PM

It's called suspense, bro

Sometimes needless, usually entertaining

5/6/2010 4:22:11 PM

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"Your version of LOST would not be nearly this entertaining."

This.

LOST is a drama/suspense show. For the sake of the art, man, for the sake of the art.

5/6/2010 4:23:50 PM

your version of LOST would simply be..FOUND.

5/6/2010 4:26:30 PM

^lol...or CANCELLED

5/6/2010 4:27:06 PM

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"this has been discussed before, but it pisses me off enough that i want to re-hash it. All the stupid ass secrecy is annoying. Widmore could've been like, "hey, fake Locke can't kill y'all, so i want to keep you safe till I take his ass down, so chill in this Dharma break room for awhile cuz i don't want y'all to die." Instead he locks their asses in a prison cell and then cryptically tells them it's for their own good. It's garbage, and now Jin lepidis is dead that that sucks."

5/6/2010 4:58:54 PM

i didn't see a corpse, so lepedis is still alive.

5/6/2010 5:10:52 PM

lepidis
lepedis
Lapidus

5/6/2010 5:16:13 PM

^^^, ^9

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5/6/2010 5:19:07 PM

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"LOST is a drama/suspense show"

and horror according to mambagrl

5/6/2010 6:19:24 PM

omg spoilers!!!11

5/6/2010 6:21:02 PM

speaking of spoilers




SPOILER







































i averted my eyes from a spoiler the other day, but not before seeing something about the donkey wheel being turned again. i don't know anything other than that.







































/SPOILER

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5/6/2010 6:48:22 PM

lap.nis

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5/6/2010 10:47:11 PM

and according to wikipedia

5/7/2010 12:32:03 PM

Nowhere on LOST's Wikipedia page does it mention the show being a horror. I know this without even looking.

5/7/2010 12:36:27 PM

RIP lapidus. He deserved a much more epic death. Killed by a submarine door... nevar forget

5/7/2010 2:42:28 PM

how long, would it take, in hours to watch every single episode over again excluding the gay recap episodes?

5/7/2010 2:46:29 PM

Wikipedia tells me there are 121 episodes, running time is 43 minutes

So nearly 87 hours

Plus the remaining episodes

5/7/2010 2:50:16 PM

well, I have around 3 and a half weeks of vacation days saved up plus another month of sick days..

HMMMMM

I could probably save a couple of days skipping the kate-centric episodes

5/7/2010 2:54:26 PM

you can skip that filler episode when those people get burried alive

5/7/2010 2:56:03 PM

I re-watched the first four seasons between seasons four and five

The only episode skipped was the Nikki and Paoulauaau one

5/7/2010 2:57:29 PM

You can skip the episode about Jack's tattoos.

5/7/2010 2:57:55 PM

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"You can skip the episode about Jack's tattoos."

I actually had this episode on until I saw Bai Ling and then I turned it off. I never finished it. I know bad (Bai Ling) when I see it.

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5/7/2010 3:00:38 PM

I hear she's coming back as a candidate for the finale...not.

5/7/2010 3:18:59 PM

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"RIP lapidus. He deserved a much more epic death. Killed by a submarine door... nevar forget"

bullshit. lapidus is not dead.

5/7/2010 4:31:17 PM

http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/05/07/jimmy-kimmel-live-lost-finale-alternate-endings/

This is kinda neat. Assuming they wont be joke endings that Kimmel makes up.

5/7/2010 5:18:07 PM

^^denial is the first step to acceptance

5/8/2010 1:23:32 AM

^ i don't they've never just killed someone off that way and then never addressed it. yeah he got hit by the door, but you really can't assume he's dead. the writers are better than that.

5/9/2010 1:23:51 PM

PS - I had forgotten about Jack's tattoos. I guess we'll never find out about them.

5/9/2010 1:30:18 PM

^ i thought they showed how he got them in season 3

5/9/2010 3:45:51 PM

IIRC they translate into he walks among us but is not one of us. That has made me believe jack was a candidate since the discussion of that role this season.

5/9/2010 5:36:21 PM

From L&GF:

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"The only reason to kill Frank in this episode is if the writers are conceding that they actually have no idea what to do with him, changed their minds, and are tired of having him tag along in the background along with the more important characters to the storyline. If this is the case, then I’m really starting to worry about how they intend to wrap up the rest of the series. Basically, it comes down to this – if Frank is dead, it hints that the writers are making this up as they go. If Frank is alive, the writers really have known what they were doing all along."

I pretty much agree with this

5/9/2010 6:25:25 PM

ilana said in the season 5 finale that frank was a candidate, so i think he has to serve some purpose before this whole thing is over.

5/9/2010 6:44:36 PM

From the same post

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"Actually, if you go back and rewatch the scene, it’s Bram who is asking about if Frank is a candidate, with Ilana telling him that Frank “was important”. "

5/9/2010 6:46:24 PM

yeah, it was bram who asked if he was a candidate. she never said he was.

I'm pretty sure the tattoos and anything about them are just BS and filler. The tattoos are matthew fox's real tattoos. They had the option of having to cover them up/avoid showing them or making them Jack Shepard's tattoos. They went with the latter. The meaning they gave on lost is not what they actually mean.

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""The only reason to kill Frank in this episode is if the writers are conceding that they actually have no idea what to do with him, changed their minds, and are tired of having him tag along in the background along with the more important characters to the storyline. If this is the case, then I’m really starting to worry about how they intend to wrap up the rest of the series. Basically, it comes down to this – if Frank is dead, it hints that the writers are making this up as they go. If Frank is alive, the writers really have known what they were doing all along.""

I disagree. It only shows whether or not they had plans for Frank all along or not.

What they do with some secondary (and barely that) character has no bearing on whether or not they're "making IT up as they go." There are definitely some parts they're making up as they go. They don't/didn't have 6 seasons of 43minutes/episode worth of material solidified from day 1, or from season 5. But that's not to say overall arcs haven't been known for some time. Or that certain (important arcs) are known while others... they're just kind of "seeing where they go."

5/9/2010 7:11:52 PM

yeah just went back and rewatched that scene where bram asks ilana if lapidus is a candidate. still, her response leads me to believe lapidus is around for some specific reason, and i fully expect to see him crawl out of the ocean soon.

5/9/2010 7:14:28 PM

A little more info on Jack's tattoos. Pretty sure they were just filler. The show said they translate as "He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us." Pretty cool that they hinted at fake Locke as far back as season 3.

Literal translation (Sorry the Chinese characters won't show up):

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" 1. ? means eagle or hawk. 2. ? means strike, beat, or attack. 3. ? means long. 4. ? means sky. "

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jack%27s_tattoos



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5/10/2010 10:07:25 AM

or maybe they were hinting at how jack is with the candidates right now but he isn't one and claire is. I don't think MiB has ever walked with anyone. He seems to have a pattern of deceiving one person, taking their body and then trying to convince everyone. I wouldn't call that with




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5/10/2010 11:05:00 AM

5/11/2010 12:36:32 AM

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"or maybe they were hinting at how jack is with the candidates right now but he isn't one and claire is. I don't think MiB has ever walked with anyone. He seems to have a pattern of deceiving one person, taking their body and then trying to convince everyone. I wouldn't call that with"

or maybe he's THE candidate

5/11/2010 12:44:34 AM

Really good article,

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/lost_showrunners_damon_lindelo.html

5/11/2010 10:42:15 AM

^Having looked over that I completely forgot about Scott and Steve! I bet one of them is actually is MiB and Vincent is really Jabob.

5/11/2010 3:27:19 PM