I don't think people want barnes over Miller or any other 'big time' guys.

However, you don't turn Barnes down hoping to get a Miller or Wright unless you KNOW Miller will say 'Yes' when his team loses. That is not equal to "will listen" or "is interested"....the only way we hold off Barnes signature is if Sean wants this job badly. You tell 3-4 guys they can have the job and whichever one signs the paper first wins.

Barnes would be a slam dunk hire. He's not #1 or even #3 on my list, but he's a guy who you ABSOLUTELY take if he's willing to come. The old 'a bird in the hand' adage

Yow has a pulse on how serious/interested folks like Miller or the pipedream 'Donovan' types are.... and you better bet that if we ink Barnes it's becuase she didn't feel it was worth waiting around on Miller based on early talks and missing out on Barnes, too

Any school that just fired their coach in the country would be freaking lucky to land Rick Barnes..... that doesn't mean he's the #1 candidate out there


[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 12:49 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2011 12:44:37 PM

Quote :

"do people really want Rick Barnes? he's not a good coach"

from his bio:

Quote :

"The Horns have registered a 294-115 (.719) mark in Barnes' 12 seasons, an average of nearly 25 victories per year. UT is one of just six programs to have advanced to each of the last 12 NCAA Tournaments, joining Duke, Gonzaga, Kansas,?Michigan State and Wisconsin."

i'm not saying he's elite, hell i'm not even sure if i want him either, but how can you say he's not good?

3/22/2011 12:47:56 PM

Because he totatally didn't win 6 National Championships with Kevin Durant.

3/22/2011 12:49:57 PM

Going from Lowe to Barnes would be like going from...............well I really can't think of an adequate enough analogy.

3/22/2011 12:50:50 PM

Turn this around on it's head.


Let say we miss out on Sean Miller...and others.

Then we hire Shaka Smart. If you found out Barnes was ready to sign, wouldn't you be pissed we blew that chance? If you say no, you're high as a kite

3/22/2011 12:51:03 PM

3/22/2011 12:53:39 PM

yeah I wish Texas would have won

3/22/2011 12:53:40 PM

Quote :

"Then we hire Shaka Smart. If you found out Barnes was ready to sign, wouldn't you be pissed we blew that chance? If you say no, you're high as a kite"

good point, good point.

side note: i feel like such a bitch arguing against rick barnes. of course i'd hire barnes. i don't even consider him a realistic target, honestly.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 12:57 PM. Reason : shaka smart incoming.]

3/22/2011 12:57:08 PM

I find myself wondering if we should just start a Shaka Smart credibility thread already...

3/22/2011 1:30:56 PM

Boom SHAKA LACA

3/22/2011 1:52:26 PM

^^ just start a credibility watch thread for all potential hires, and then we can delete the ones that don't apply. we don't want to miss out on any opportunities for loathing

3/22/2011 2:06:26 PM

Quote :

"how one could want barnes before miller is absolutely beyond me. [Edited on March 22, 2011 at 12:44 PM. Reason : not that we'll get either.] "

3/22/2011 2:32:31 PM

^^ I already started a 2011-2012 mens basketball coach credibility watch. Someone locked it...

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 3:09 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/22/2011 3:09:13 PM

Quote :

"i feel like such a bitch arguing against rick barnes. of course i'd hire barnes. i don't even consider him a realistic target, honestly. "

He's got a great gig, no doubt.

That said, if he's going to move...now's the time. NC State is near his & his wife's family. This is likely the last chance he'll get to move on. If TX matches a raise we throw at him, no other school will take a shot to hire him away. Does he want to stay at TX until retirement...I don't know that answer.

I do think due to his wife's medical issues requiring treatment at Duke, his age, his NC ties & approaching retirement, and Debbie Yow running the search...we have 3x the ability to land him this time around.

I just don't know if he's on Debbie's list or not. While not old...he is an older coach. Still, if Rick can give you 10-15 years, you take it unless Donovan or Miller are beating down our door for the job. Period.




[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 3:35 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2011 3:25:33 PM

i've heard donovan's name mentioned here and elsewhere. why the f would donovan ever leave florida for state? is this kinda like throwing out phil jackson's name? just being dumb?

3/22/2011 3:37:28 PM

Quote :

"i want a jim calhoun. a norm sloan. dig?"

pearl's gotten caught twice.

you are a moron.

3/22/2011 3:39:42 PM

Quote :

"i've heard donovan's name mentioned here and elsewhere. why the f would donovan ever leave florida for state? is this kinda like throwing out phil jackson's name? just being dumb?"

Pretty much. Early on, there was speculation we'd reached out to him. IIRC, Yow allegedly knows Donovan fairly well and along with Jay Wright, loves thier coaching style and would love to have either one.

Donovan ain't coming here. I was just throwing out the hypothetical that you accept Barnes' signature unless for some reason Donovan told you when UF loses, he wants our job.

3/22/2011 3:41:39 PM

Only place I've even seen donovan's name associated with the search was at SFN.

Therefore I disregarded it completely.

3/22/2011 3:42:04 PM

Quote :

"Only place I've even seen donovan's name associated with the search was at SFN. Therefore I disregarded it completely."

Saw it at PP too.

Still disregarded it completely.

3/22/2011 3:47:56 PM

Quote :

"@ baxter. Rick Barnes was on campus from many of my friends on campus. a friend at state with many sources told me Barnes met with DY. Barnes is DY's #1. apparently it might be at negotiation table. "

....Expectations... too hight

3/22/2011 3:50:49 PM

well, i could certainly understand why Debbie Yow would have Barnes at #1. he fits all the criteria.

I still don't buy it, and even if so, I expect to see an ESPN headline that says "Texas to extend Barnes: Up Salary to $3M"


for the record, any guy that could stand up to Dean Smith and yell in his face at the end of the game gets my vote.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 4:10 PM. Reason : *]

3/22/2011 4:02:11 PM

Astral: I read that. HIGHLY doubtful. Everyone knows how important it is to keep this secret. Seriously doubt he'd be strutting around campus, meeting players, etc...

They'd probably have the meeting offsite and in secret.

Unless he has already verbally agreed, and they are finishing details. But I doubt it.

3/22/2011 4:10:13 PM

where is the "this thread is like watching grown men write letters to santa claus"

i think we could paste it over on SFN. this is hysterical.

Quote :

"I am actually surprised that things have turned out so close to what I had been hearing, so accurately. I am so hesitant to post false information, because I hate to be wrong...lol, so I don't post unless I feel pretty good about my info or someone else has come out with something similar. I had a conversation with my primary source within the past 24 hours. I asked if the info was still solid re: Barnes and received no worded response, but instead a smile. I continued to "badger" and received this response: "You won't have to ask again. Everyone will know Wednesday." "

Away to the window I flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow
Gave the lustre of mid-day to objects below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,

But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer,
With a little old driver, so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Nick Rick.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2011 4:19:12 PM

lol, true. I suspect Barnes couldn't get to the tarmac at RDU before someone from the mainstream media knew he was here.


about this:

Quote :

"for the record, any guy that could stand up to Dean Smith and yell in his face at the end of the game gets my vote. "

Can I get some more info on this?

3/22/2011 4:22:47 PM

when he was coaching at Clemson, UNC beat them on a bullshit call at the end, so Barnes goes over, kicks Dean in the stomach, then donkey punches him in the head and yells "how ya like me now faggot"

3/22/2011 4:23:54 PM

any updates guise?

3/22/2011 4:25:24 PM

Are you guys really falling for this crap about Barnes? NC State fans such are a bunch of Rick suckers

3/22/2011 4:26:16 PM

Quote :

"I asked if the info was still solid re: Barnes and received no worded response, but instead a smile."

all i'm going to say is:

rick barnes

3/22/2011 4:26:27 PM

haha close.

UNC was beating clemson in the quarterfinals of the ACC tourney back in like 97 or something. Jerry Stackhouse got fouled late in the game with UNC up by like 12 points and Dean started stomping around and pointing at the Clemson player like he was some kind of 1st degree murderer.

Rick Barnes walked over to Dean Smith and started screaming at him back in his face about shutting the hell up, until the refs separated them.

3/22/2011 4:27:38 PM

i'm having flashbacks.

3/22/2011 4:27:44 PM

Okay, well since we didnt jump on Gillespie a month ago, there's still a handful of quality coaches who may be interested in talking to AD Yow:

Jeff Capel (Oklahoma did not give him enough time to deal with with all of the shitty sanctions the former coach before him left him with)

Tommy Amaker(Harvard's current coach, can recruit, has Coach K's X's/O's pedigree, and is known for getting the most out of medicore talent)

Scott Drew(current head coach at Baylor-if he can turn around a Big 12 program in the midst of tons of NCAA scandals, staying competitive in the Big 12 against the likes of TX,Kansas, and K-State-he atleast deserves an interview with the job he's done at Baylor)

Richard Pitino or Rob Lanier( both are currently Univ. of Florida assistants under Billy Donovan, and Coach Donovan is def. doing something right with the number of assistants that he is grooming into winners at the D-1 level, and his assistants are always making deep
runs in the tourney year end and year out)

3/22/2011 4:28:53 PM

thank you simonn! i was getting worried but your smiley has ended all my fears and given me a reason for living today!

3/22/2011 4:28:59 PM

fuck Capel unless he brings Blake Griffin with him

3/22/2011 4:32:06 PM

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"pearl's gotten caught twice. you are a moron."

i clearly said

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"i mean, we're of course not going to go after pearl."

moron.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2011 4:32:32 PM

Quote :

"UNC was beating clemson in the quarterfinals of the ACC tourney back in like 97 or something. Jerry Stackhouse got fouled late in the game with UNC up by like 12 points and Dean started stomping around and pointing at the Clemson player like he was some kind of 1st degree murderer. "

Dean Smith yelled something at the Clemson player and Barnes didn't like it at all.

Got up nose-to-nose with him and had to be broken up by the refs. Dean's nose was much bigger, of course

That single moment has made Rick Barnes loved by Pack fans.....even if he never coaches here

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 4:41 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2011 4:33:53 PM

I think I was firmly on the Miller wagon.... but now, I am not so sure

3/22/2011 4:37:26 PM

!!!!! :s

yaaaaaaaay :spin: :spin:

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 4:40 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 4:40 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2011 4:39:25 PM

Quote :

"there's still a handful of quality coaches who may be interested in talking to AD Yow:"

I concur.

Quote :

"Jeff Capel"

no

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2011 4:42:22 PM

ARMCHAIR ATHLETIC DIRECTING AT ITS FINEST ITT

3/22/2011 4:46:21 PM

all i have to say is...

3/22/2011 4:46:57 PM

We aren't hiring anyone without head coaching experience so y'all can forget that

3/22/2011 4:47:35 PM

i am cautiously optimistic, but let's wait for the official announcement

3/22/2011 4:47:57 PM

Official announcement coming Wednesday at 10am from the North Pole.

3/22/2011 4:49:06 PM

This is eerily similar the the flight tracking scandal all over again I am prepared to be let down.

3/22/2011 4:49:15 PM

I feel like an idiot for arguing against Barnes because he has done soooooo much at Texas...but I feel like he's hit his peak. He has had so many great players/teams at Texas and still doesn't have a championship to show for it, only one conference championship, and Kansas has beat him like a drum.

I'd rather have Miller or Grant than Barnes (they probably aren't even options)....and possibly Smart (although I'd be much more worried about Smart's lack of experience).

That being said...you'd have to be retarded to turn down Barnes if that were really an option.

3/22/2011 4:54:20 PM

Quote :

"moron."

I'm not the one openly advocating trading sanctions for one lame Final Four or something.

Ask UMass what they think of that.

I don't want Barnes because I don't want to throw PP a bone (silly, I know, but I've never been a fan of his). If I had to choose a top candidate, it would be Miller. Then Buzz Williams. Then Smart. They're comparing Miller and Barnes to a Porsche and a Ferrari. More like a Volkswagen and a Volvo or something. Definitely not the top, but still good quality and potentially much better than the alternatives.

Oh, and none of you better start talking about making out with Barnes or saying things like "This pick could be the greatest event in college sports history that will ensure a Final Four and overflow crowds for games against Deleware State!", because...BOAST BOAST BOAST.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 4:58 PM. Reason : ,]

3/22/2011 4:55:41 PM

it would be 10x the hire Shaka Smart would be

3/22/2011 4:58:56 PM

Quote :

"it would be 10x the hire Shaka Smart would be"

Not saying Smart is better than Barnes (because I think the Barnes hire would be better for State in every aspect except for maybe coaching ability)....


....but one coach is still in the tournament right now...

3/22/2011 5:01:26 PM

probably

that's why i didn't say we should get him first, if you read the post

3/22/2011 5:01:47 PM

^^ You can't believe that.

Shaka Smart...at this point... is nothing more than a hot mid major. Those come by every year and 9-of-10 get thier tails handed to them in the big leagues

Quote :

"I feel like an idiot for arguing against Barnes because he has done soooooo much at Texas...but I feel like he's hit his peak. He has had so many great players/teams at Texas and still doesn't have a championship to show for it, only one conference championship, and Kansas has beat him like a drum. I'd rather have Miller or Grant than Barnes (they probably aren't even options)....and possibly Smart (although I'd be much more worried about Smart's lack of experience). That being said...you'd have to be retarded to turn down Barnes if that were really an option. "

Like you said, you cannot turn Barnes down. Dude has finished in the top 10 like 6 times at Texas... top 25 just about every year. He's had his NCAA struggles, but still.

I honestly hope a move to a BASKETBALL school in a BASKETBALL conference....and just a move in general recharges his batteries. I don't think he's a great gameday coach, but he's one of the elite program builders in the country results-wise.



[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 5:07 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2011 5:04:20 PM