thegoodlife3 All American 39223 Posts user info edit post |
Roy Williams is a much better politician than he is a basketball coach
really wish he would have chosen the former as his profession 10/22/2014 8:30:19 PM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
BOYCOTT DA SCHOO 10/22/2014 9:04:49 PM |
Crede All American 7339 Posts user info edit post |
I remember reading smirky Caulton Tudor columns in like 1997 10/22/2014 9:25:55 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
But Dickey V told me it was a fact that Unc didn't cheat 10/22/2014 9:45:31 PM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
Story made it on Drudge. That'll help garner even more attention. 10/22/2014 10:12:56 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
At what point does the relevant body think of pulling the African-American Studies program's accreditation? Probably won't happen, but driving home tonight listening to Fox Sports Radio, they said something like 47% of the people in these programs were basketball and football players when they make up 0.6% of the university undergrad enrollment. It's almost like athletic eligibility was the only reason the program existed.
[Edited on October 22, 2014 at 11:43 PM. Reason : .] 10/22/2014 11:31:27 PM |
mtswanso Starting Lineup 71 Posts user info edit post |
Can someone please add in a soundbite of Ronald Reagan saying "Mr. President, tear down these banners" 10/22/2014 11:33:30 PM |
eyewall41 All American 2261 Posts user info edit post |
I look forward to seeing the "18 Years" signs at games against UNC. 10/22/2014 11:47:09 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27785 Posts user info edit post |
10/23/2014 3:32:34 AM |
rwoody Save TWW 37585 Posts user info edit post |
I mean, if this isn't lack of institutional control, what is? 10/23/2014 7:50:33 AM |
DROD900 All American 24654 Posts user info edit post |
as I was walking out the door this morning, my wife was watching the cbs morning news, and this was one of their lead stories. The picture they painted in the 10 second overview that I saw was pretty damning. With the national media (finally) involved, this could escalate pretty quickly 10/23/2014 7:59:32 AM |
stowaway All American 11770 Posts user info edit post |
Nah, this is the opposite. The institution was perfectly in control of the agenda. 10/23/2014 8:00:03 AM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Father in Law sent me an email this morning with a WSJ article about the scandal...email titled "I thought you would find this interesting..."
I still think there are some journalists out there (I'm looking at you Dan Kane) that have been sitting on evidence that the coaches know about this. I mean, shit, Smith and Willingham's book hasn't even come out yet. The Wainstein report was pretty damn thorough, and you have to think they have a little more juice in the book for it to be worth anything.
I also think there's a good chance of Roy snapping in the next few months. He looked like he was going to burst last year with all the questions about PJ and players that couldn't read. He'll get even more questions this year about whether or not he knew about the fake classes. Dude is getting old...he can't take this shit for much longer.
[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 8:06 AM. Reason : .] 10/23/2014 8:04:24 AM |
Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
Top Front Page story on CNN at least the national media is finally running with it. Burn it to the ground! 10/23/2014 8:20:01 AM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
not sure if it's been covered, but the Men's Basketball team was the biggest offender when you look at the numbers proportionally.
From 1999-2011 there were 963 enrollments by the football team vs. 226 for basketball. but when you figure in team sizes based on scholarships, that's 0.87 enrollments per football scholarship during that time (13x85=1105), where as basketball had 1.34 enrollments per scholarship (13x13=169)
meaning, at a per-scholarship level, men's basketball took 53% more fake classes than football did. 10/23/2014 8:31:40 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
a couple people at work are spinning this as an example of how awesome UNC is for being the most transparent university in the country 10/23/2014 9:07:31 AM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
banners - take them down.
I'd love to see Roy just resign in the next few days and then a total shit storm surfaces.
[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 9:10 AM. Reason : .] 10/23/2014 9:09:25 AM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
^^ you work with idiots. 10/23/2014 9:10:09 AM |
fenway All American 3135 Posts user info edit post |
Need to get Boycott Da Schoooo trending on the Twitters. 10/23/2014 9:23:40 AM |
bronco All American 3942 Posts user info edit post |
Nice work, glax 10/23/2014 9:32:26 AM |
eyewall41 All American 2261 Posts user info edit post |
Who else screen capped CNN? 10/23/2014 9:33:18 AM |
Bullet All American 28336 Posts user info edit post |
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/unc-academic-fraud-report-forces-school-to-face-truth-about-its-culture-of-cheating-213657979-ncaaf.html
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/22/probe-reveals-scope-academic-fraud-at-unc/ (AP)
http://online.wsj.com/articles/report-details-academic-scandal-at-north-carolina-1413997202
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/higher-education/probe-unc-academic-fraud-was-shadow-curriculum/2014/10/22/3d298588-5a4b-11e4-9d6c-756a229d8b18_story.htmll (more AP)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/22/us-usa-unc-fraud-idUSKCN0IB2D520141022
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/22/7040019/unc-academic-fraud-report-detials
http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/10/22/4255051/wainstein-report-says-jan-boxill.html 10/23/2014 9:42:11 AM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "This is such a slam dunk case of lack of institutional control that I believe it does not even need the underlying academic fraud violation. Such a case is essentially unprecedented save the Penn State case and that was exceptional in many other ways. But it is warranted here. The NCAA cannot allow an athletic department to have the type of sway over the academic functions of the university that UNC’s did. " |
http://30mileradius.com/2014/10/questions-of-institutional-control-eclipse-academic-fraud-issues-at-unc-after-wainstein-report/
from an expert on NCAA violations / punishment.10/23/2014 9:53:10 AM |
Dynasty2004 Bawls 5850 Posts user info edit post |
10/23/2014 9:59:13 AM |
Darb5000 All American 1294 Posts user info edit post |
^^^My favorite part of Pat Forde's Yahoo column:
Quote : | "For years, its championship basketball teams were populated by players who benefitted from academic fraud – the 2005 national title team alone had 10 AFAM majors. If those titles were won with players who wouldn't have been eligible without sham grades, take down the banners yourself. Take the hardware out of the trophy cases. Wear your shame." |
[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 9:59 AM. Reason : ^]10/23/2014 9:59:17 AM |
LastInACC All American 1843 Posts user info edit post |
Anyone read the whole report? Any mentioning if any contributions by the NC State team? 10/23/2014 10:00:30 AM |
wlb420 All American 9053 Posts user info edit post |
10/23/2014 10:05:20 AM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27785 Posts user info edit post |
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Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
What should happen and what will happen are so far apart it makes it apparent athletics run universities now. 10/23/2014 10:09:14 AM |
Novicane All American 15414 Posts user info edit post |
pretty much sums up my day around my unc friends today
10/23/2014 10:13:06 AM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
btdubs the second the NCAA comes in and says they aren't going to do anything more we should start cheating that instant.
and I'm not even joking. If anybody calls us out then we should just be all "Damn straight we are, what are you going to do about it?" 10/23/2014 10:13:13 AM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27785 Posts user info edit post |
give every player a phd if they stay 4 years. 10/23/2014 10:16:15 AM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
10/23/2014 10:20:41 AM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "@Joey_Powell · 2h 2 hours ago Thought: The decisions by media to emphasize only athletics from the #UNC scandal is the same emphasis on athletics that caused the scandal." |
hahaha ok it's the media's fault your school cheated.10/23/2014 10:29:55 AM |
dmspack oh we back 25462 Posts user info edit post |
^So is he saying that this issue wasn't really related to athletics...or only athletics-related indirectly? Because I mean...that's pretty ignorant. Especially when emails like this exist.
10/23/2014 10:57:53 AM |
Bullet All American 28336 Posts user info edit post |
I cannot understand how anyone would feel comfortable putting that in writing. 10/23/2014 11:00:55 AM |
Dynasty2004 Bawls 5850 Posts user info edit post |
^^
Where is that from? 10/23/2014 11:08:17 AM |
wolfdawg4 All American 5866 Posts user info edit post |
That's from the report. I think it was for a women's basketball player. 10/23/2014 11:11:12 AM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
^ Apparently, the spin they're putting on that is: "Hey, that was to help her graduate, not to maintain eligibility" 10/23/2014 11:17:43 AM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27785 Posts user info edit post |
i'm not sure what is better, that email or the fact that academic advisors gave a power point presentation to the football coaches about the fact that the fake classes no longer existed. 10/23/2014 11:18:02 AM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
Why would these people use their university email accounts? That stuff is archived forever 10/23/2014 11:22:34 AM |
LastInACC All American 1843 Posts user info edit post |
shit...I remembered when I was in last semester of undergrad I was so burned out...I went to take my NE419 final exam and wrote on the last page..."I need to pass this class to graduate". I didn't know what I got from that exam...now I work as a defense contractor. 10/23/2014 11:28:03 AM |
dmspack oh we back 25462 Posts user info edit post |
^^Yeah I thought about that too. The whole attitude seemed to be that they would never get caught...or that they couldn't get caught because what they were doing wasn't a secret. 10/23/2014 11:29:50 AM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
This reads more like a homer's wish list than actual journalism.
Quote : | "NCAA will keep digging, but relative closure near for Heels" |
Quote : | "It’s still too early to say with absolute certainty that the UNC athletics scandal has reached road’s end" |
Quote : | "Regardless of its root or design, there’s no doubt that Carolina was practicing flagrant football factory academic cheating for years while dabbling in it in other sports." |
Quote : | "As for basketball, the academic environment is different. It’s more legitimate. It will tougher than ever to win another national title, although hardly impossible.
But unless the NCAA can find a smoking gun somewhere, there’s probably no one left to directly target." |
[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 11:47 AM. Reason : oh golo: http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ugc/page/3530905/?id=14105509]10/23/2014 11:40:34 AM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27785 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Regardless of its root or design, there’s no doubt that Carolina was practicing flagrant football factory academic cheating for years while dabbling in it in other sports." |
wait, what?
hasn't it already been proven that basketball benefited the most from the fake classes?10/23/2014 11:43:51 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39223 Posts user info edit post |
(that doesn't mean that football benefitted more. it means they were using tactics usually reserved for football factories)
Quote : | "This reads more like a homer's wish list than actual journalism." |
nothing you quoted supports this notion.
[Edited on October 23, 2014 at 11:58 AM. Reason : .]10/23/2014 11:56:49 AM |
Bullet All American 28336 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/social-media-reactions-to-unc-academic-fraud-report-release/14105287/ 10/23/2014 11:58:03 AM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
http://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/UNC-FINAL-REPORT-SUPPLEMENTS.pdf
link to the entire 900 pages of emails...
Pack Pride is having a fucking field day with this. They've already dug up a bunch of stuff. 10/23/2014 12:00:14 PM |
Fry The Stubby 7783 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I cannot understand how anyone would feel comfortable putting that in writing." |
Especially if I'm the "Director" of a "Center for Ethics". https://parrcenter.unc.edu/people/staff-1
Curious to me that she isn't listed on the staff page, home page, or about page on their site now, except for a "news" blip saying "Jan Boxill named Warren Fraleigh Distinguished Scholar" and even that doesn't refer to her as Director. (Apparently all this was a recent change to their site, haha).10/23/2014 12:05:35 PM |
wlb420 All American 9053 Posts user info edit post |
she's one of the ones that got fired. 10/23/2014 12:06:26 PM |