horosho is 100% earl

the other dude with the <500 post count screams earl, or his tutor correcting his horrid grammar/typos

9/24/2019 12:16:23 PM

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" then why the early on smearing, calling her Clinton lite just because one recent poll in Iowa (it's four months away) shows her being the front runner."

that's not why any of the criticisms exist

9/24/2019 12:18:09 PM

If people ITT are criticizing her for being not progressive enough, or too centrist, why not compare her with Biden instead of Clinton? Oh wait, already know the answer to that one.

9/24/2019 12:23:17 PM

Because...Clinton is the one who ran against Bernie last time...? She's also been compared to Obama ITT. Biden is obviously much worse than any of them.

9/24/2019 12:29:43 PM

if literally nobody here wants biden and bernie is behind in IA and NH what the fuck are we even arguing about?

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 12:38 PM. Reason : oh yeah we have a couple dumb cunts among us who do nothing but sow division]

9/24/2019 12:38:01 PM

anyone who criticizes warren is a misogynist is a weak and tired argument made by people who acknowledge the criticisms as valid

9/24/2019 12:44:15 PM

vox posted something this morning relevant to the discussion:

Sanders’s top staffers are making a pointed case against Warren
The Sanders campaign says Biden is its top priority. But some staffers are going after Warren.
https://www.vox.com/2019/9/24/20879833/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-2020-campaign

9/24/2019 12:51:42 PM

yes sexism wasnt a problem for sanders before

9/24/2019 12:53:05 PM

8/13/2018:

Think Elizabeth Warren And Bernie Sanders Are The Same? She Doesn’t.
They are friends, partners in the Senate, and leaders of a progressive movement. But Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are not the same. “He’s a socialist, and I believe in markets.”
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-difference

9/24/2019 1:03:39 PM

I just don't understand the obsession with calling me Earl and early. I've asked all the real life tww people but its never been explained and is pretty ubiquitous so it must be an inside joke. All I know about were his football drawings but nothing about politics. Is it just TWW term for troll? Insults don't land if the target has no idea what they mean. At best, its just a way to distract from the actual topic which is a tactic used by people who have no point to make. It works.

A few pages back, I posted an entire list of problems with Warren, most of which no one ever talks about. None were addressed Also the thehill video. Please watch it. If you like Warren you should be able to respond and defend her. If you can't defend her from us, you're really toast when THEY get hold of her history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6cY-CghyKY
I was considering voting for Warren in the general but this video talked me out of it.

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"So.. she was supposed to just do what Bernie wanted and help him become president, because with her endorsement of him he 'would have won' instead of losing to crooked Hillary (who still managed to win the popular vote). Got it. "

That is all if you are assuming she is a genuine progressive and not just pandering. A genuine progressive would do what is best for advancing the progressive agenda. Bernie over Hillary was a no brainer for anyone who believes in these policies. Suddenly, three years later she believes in all of the policies she didn't even endorse in 2016. All this from someone who used to be a native american that supported ronald reagan? Yeah right.

TBH Warren should have ran in 2016. Why didn't she run? What changed in 3 years that made her decide to suddenly run?

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"tiny sliver of the electorate"

People who don't vote (because all of the candidates are dogshit) don't count as part of the electorate. Stop calling the left bernie bros. Its lazy because we aren't bernie people and we aren't bros. We're about policies not people. I find him as an compromise even though he's weak and too soft on his democrat opponents. I could give a long list of Bernie criticisms but I don't because there isn't a big time candidate with massive organization running to his left. Its all relative. Trump woke a lot of people up to systemic problems which caused the primary overton window to shift to the left so obviously hillary 2.0 is going to project as more progressive.

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"anyone who criticizes warren is a misogynist is a weak and tired argument made by people who acknowledge the criticisms as valid"

Its odd being called a political misogynist solely by people who haven't even voted for a female president as early and often as I have. Shows how lazy they really are. Just grab the first available name to throw at people who disagree. Who cares about logic?

I'm definitely in the 99 percentile when it comes to voting for a female president so I find it hilarious.

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 1:11 PM. Reason : krystal ball ]

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 1:13 PM. Reason : a reagan progressive]

9/24/2019 1:10:26 PM

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"I was considering voting for Warren in the general but this video talked me out of it."

always fun watching people get radicalized by political youtube talk shows

video title "Krystal Ball: Dems on track to nominate Warren and lose to Trump"
somoene says they wouldn't vote for warren in the general because of the video
-spiderman pointing at spiderman-

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2019 1:13:58 PM

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"All this from someone who used to be a native american"

Huh? Man, those rightwing rabbit holes Earl goes down are fascinating. Crazy how often he marches in lockstep with disinformation campaigns.

She didn’t “used to be” a Native American. She claimed Native American ancestry.

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"Stop calling the left bernie bros."

Just for posterity since this was posted as a reply under a quote I wrote, I have not once used that term this cycle. In fact I’ve made it clear Bernie’s supporters can NOT be painted with a wide brush.

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 1:30 PM. Reason : X]

9/24/2019 1:28:23 PM

^^I get what you're saying but I don't think you watched the whole video because the most compelling point is based on the idea that Warren identifies as and is labeled as a progressive on the left. The idea that this weak candidate would lose to Trump or even beat Trump and fail to bring about real change will do generational harm to the progressive movement. Everyone will say "remember that time we nominated warren and gave trump another 4 years. From now on, we need to nominate a klobuchar" Obama got us trump because his capitalist failures are remembered as the failures of socialism. I don't ever want to be part of that.

The opportunity cost is neglecting the development of the green party which, had we stayed true since 2008, would be a viable option by now. We really need to be careful about what kind of candidate we are willing to spend our votes on. Who we are willing to let carry our flag. Especially when every percent matters in terms of ballot access.

I'm still conflicted and might change my mind again though. Sometimes a video can clearly point out something you already know and give you clarity. Its not going to be an easy decision but it could have with Bernie.

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 1:30 PM. Reason : good point but i wasn't talking about the title]

9/24/2019 1:29:42 PM

Plenty of women can be misogynistic (aka the women who slut shame other women, want to restrict abortion, etc), but I’m sure dtownral knows that and doesn’t care because Bernie is the best candidate and Elizabeth Warren is a sneaky/opportunistic/Clinton clone

9/24/2019 1:36:40 PM

^^i'm so mad they nominated someone who i think will lose to trump that i'm going to actively participate in helping them lose to trump, that'll show 'em!

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"Plenty of women can be misogynistic (aka the women who slut shame other women, want to restrict abortion, etc), but I’m sure dtownral knows that"

huh? i think you misunderstood my post entirely

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 1:39 PM. Reason : i'm very curious how you ended up at this misunderstanding of my post though]

9/24/2019 1:37:09 PM

It’s a common argument Sanders supporters use, claiming he’s got such huge support from women that it invalidates the claim that those who prefer him over Warren are sexist.

By definition and stereotype, Bernie Bros are angry white, blue collar, non college educated DUDES, not women.

9/24/2019 1:45:51 PM

I just want to know how come nobody asks me who is Earl and who isn't?

9/24/2019 1:46:42 PM

^^ which isn't a point i had made and i'm not sure how you could possibly confuse my post with that argument, lol

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 1:48 PM. Reason : sad, dude]

9/24/2019 1:48:14 PM

based on these recent polling, what's the argument for CNN and others talking about Sanders dropping out vs. any of the candidates still in single digits ?

9/24/2019 1:54:11 PM

^^ sure sounded like it to me

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"anyone who criticizes warren is a misogynist is a weak and tired argument made by people who acknowledge the criticisms as valid"

9/24/2019 2:08:50 PM

um, that's not at all the same as saying women can't be misogynists (what you seemed to respond to) or that someone who has a lot support from women can't be misogynist or his supporters sexist(what you clarified with). like

these are entirely different arguments to my post, not similar at all, your confusion has to be intentional or done in bad faith

you called sanders supporters misogynists, and then implied criticisms against her are because people are misogynists.

my post was that this is a weak and tired argument, and making it means you agree that the criticisms are valid

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 2:19 PM. Reason : walk you right through this]

9/24/2019 2:17:37 PM

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"It’s a common argument Sanders supporters use, claiming he’s got such huge support from women that it invalidates the claim that those who prefer him over Warren are sexist. By definition and stereotype, Bernie Bros are angry white, blue collar, non college educated DUDES, not women."

I'm confused, is everyone who prefers Bernie over Warren sexist? Because that would imply most Bernie bros are women.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gyzjmb/bernie-bros-women-under-45-make-up-a-larger-share-of-bernie-sanders-base-than-men
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/18216899/bernie-sanders-bro-base-polling-2020-president

9/24/2019 2:20:31 PM

^^I don't think criticisms (or perhaps a better word is 'comparison') of Warren being Clinton 2.0 are valid at all. They're completely different people, and imo Warren has nowhere near the political baggage that Hillary does/did. So to me, calling her Clinton clone this early in the game when it looks like she's poaching votes from Bernie (Biden, too) is an intellectually lazy smear that appears to be the same type of BS Russian bots trotted out during 2016 that so many Bernie Bros fell for (i.e she's sneaky/calculating/phony/etc)

So, if you're saying that calling her Clinton 2.0 isn't sexist/intellectually lazy, I strongly disagree. The fact that Bernie Bros are his most annoying/vocal supporters is related, at least tangentially. The fact that many Sanders supporters tout his high favorability among women voters is also tangentially related.

^
Your first article makes the same point I did about Bernie Bros being men, not women. But that still doesn't mean that none of these women Sanders supporters are incapable of misogyny.

All I'm saying, really, is that it seems pretty sexist and dumb to compare Warren to Clinton, because the biggest things they have in common besides being presidential candidates is that they're both women. Policy and personality wise, they're not much alike.



[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 2:34 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2019 2:26:59 PM

so, for example, if someone thinks that warren telling us we can't have a national rent control bill is similar to clinton telling us we can't have single payer healthcare, that's because they're a misogynist? if they don't think warren's student debt forgiveness goes far enough does that make them a misogynist? is it misogynistic to have wanted her energy plan to include a ban on fracking?

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"Your first article makes the same point I did about Bernie Bros being men, not women."

mate, serious question, can you even read?

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 2:37 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2019 2:35:24 PM

Maybe compare apples with apples and then we can at least TRY to have a fair comparison from the get.

Warren made a name for herself in politics first and foremost by trying to go after big banks/Wall Street, advocating for consumer rights, and trying to fight the student loan crisis. She's only been in the Senate since 2012, so forgive her if she hasn't been a career politician like Hillary or to a lesser degree, Sanders.

9/24/2019 2:40:19 PM

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"The fact that many Sanders supporters tout his high favorability among women voters is also tangentially related."

Weird how Sanders supporters take offense at being called a bunch of white male bros when they're actually mostly women and POC, by a greater margin any other candidate. So I apologize that I feel the need to defend the marginalized groups that I share my beliefs with.

In fact, what you're doing is racist and sexist. You're erasing women and POC because they disagree with you. So way to go, bro.

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"Your first article makes the same point I did about Bernie Bros being men, not women."

you're reading the graph wrong, my man

9/24/2019 2:41:43 PM

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"Obama got us trump because his capitalist failures are remembered as the failures of socialism. "

You wouldn't happen to be referring to the "capitalist failures" that happened before Obama was even elected, would you? Because those are the ones most people bitch about.

9/24/2019 5:25:17 PM

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"? Jeff session was appointed"

I didn't says he blocked the nomination, I said she stood up against it. If you've already forgotten "Nevertheless, she persisted" from those confirmation hearings then I can't help you.


This "Warren = Hillary" crap needs to stop. It's not true, and it's what the right wants you to think because they're afraid of her and want you to pick someone else. They want Biden, he will be the easiest to beat.

9/24/2019 6:08:17 PM

Check out Earl circa 2015:


https://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=645110

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" Elizabeth Warren has a duty to run Page [1] 2, Next The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post If she doesn't run, then she's part of the problem. How arrogant can you be? "

9/24/2019 6:26:53 PM

I wanted Warren to run in 2016 and again in 2020 before I became more familiar with what she actually believes.

[Edited on September 24, 2019 at 6:42 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2019 6:41:56 PM

Is it typical for you to support politicians without being familiar with their positions/beliefs?

9/24/2019 7:13:00 PM

When someone campaigns for president, they’re typically forced to answer more difficult & specific questions, as well as put together plans for things they haven’t before.

9/24/2019 7:23:25 PM

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" I didn't says he blocked the nomination, I said she stood up against it. If you've already forgotten "Nevertheless, she persisted" from those confirmation hearings then I can't help you. "

So one of the most common criticisms against sanders is that he hasn't accomplished much, but this is an example of warren also not accomplishing something

9/24/2019 8:04:33 PM

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"^^i'm so mad they nominated someone who i think will lose to trump that i'm going to actively participate in helping them lose to trump, that'll show 'em!"

Nope thats not it. You've only read the title and haven't watched the whole video. Beating Trump is not the main goal and losing to Trump is not the only problem. The real quote should be something like "If they nominate someone who will set the progressive agenda back a generation, I'd rather just wait 4 more years of Trump and try again"

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"Huh? Man, those rightwing rabbit holes Earl goes down are fascinating. Crazy how often he marches in lockstep with disinformation campaigns. She didn’t “used to be” a Native American. She claimed Native American ancestry."

Just because the rightwing says something doesn't render it automatically false. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut. I thought you would understand the hyperbole. 1.She was listed in a directory as native american faculty and 2.released her ancestry to try to try and justify her history of doing so. Those are 2 facts and the way I see it, she posed as a native American to advance her career just as now she is posing as a progressive to advance her career. Who cares if the right also talks about those same 2 facts? You can't just read what they say and go opposite everytime. There needs to be some independent logic involved.

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"If she doesn't run, then she's part of the problem. How arrogant can you be?"

She didn't run, was part of the problem, and we haven't forgotten. Hmm I wonder what was so different about this election and the last election to make her not want to run last time?

9/24/2019 11:27:48 PM

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"Nope thats not it. You've only read the title and haven't watched the whole video. Beating Trump is not the main goal and losing to Trump is not the only problem. The real quote should be something like "If they nominate someone who will set the progressive agenda back a generation, I'd rather just wait 4 more years of Trump and try again""

yes, this is why we are laughing at you

9/25/2019 9:55:00 AM

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"So one of the most common criticisms against sanders is that he hasn't accomplished much, but this is an example of warren also not accomplishing something"

I never said Sanders hasn't accomplished much, I said she's done more in less time. And the point is that she took up the fight. No one else challenged any of Trump's terrible appointments as strongly, other than maybe Al Franken against Betsy DuVos.

Warren needed 50 others to vote with her, I don't think that's on her for not getting them. She fought a battle she knew she was going to lose. That takes integrity that most of the democratic leadership does not have.

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"1.She was listed in a directory as native american faculty and 2.released her ancestry to try to try and justify her history of doing so. Those are 2 facts and the way I see it, she posed as a native American to advance her career just as now she is posing as a progressive to advance her career."

She never used her ancestry to advance her career. It's a flat out lie that has been solidly disproved. Taking the DNA test and making the video about it was a bad campaign choice. But she never claimed to be a member of a tribe, she never applied as a diversity hire, she listed herself as white when she applied to law school and to her first teaching position. It was only when Harvard Law was criticized for being too white that they used her as an example of their faculty's diversity...not something she asked them to do.

9/25/2019 1:16:36 PM

sanders has been fighting up hill battles for 40+ years

9/25/2019 1:20:40 PM

Yeah wtf, Sanders was fighting for socialist legislation while Warren was voting for Ronald Reagan. We owe an incredible debt to people like him who didn't back down when neoliberalism came to power.

How in the hell can you say Elizabeth Warren has done more for progressives than Bernie Sanders?

[Edited on September 25, 2019 at 1:35 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2019 1:34:48 PM

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" Sanders was fighting for socialist legislation while Warren was voting for Ronald Reagan."

Actually during the Regan administration, Sanders was vacationing in the USSR while extoling their superiority over the greedy American capitalists. So yes, fighting for socialist legislation. We should all be thanking our fellow comrade.

9/25/2019 2:31:00 PM

you spelled "Reagen" wrong, hack

[Edited on September 25, 2019 at 2:51 PM. Reason : ]

9/25/2019 2:44:35 PM

It's impossible in just a year time to find a new bigger-than-life POTUS figure like Trump. Some candidates may have potentials, but no way in a year to win the election, take the office and get him out. Think back in Sep, 2015, MAGA movement took place around that time already and swept across the whole country like never before.

9/25/2019 3:57:08 PM

Tulsi is now against M4A

9/25/2019 11:41:54 PM

^
Tulsi was always such an obvious grift, never understood why the Jimmy Dore type lefties latched onto her

In other news, I'm super excited to see Warren's bastardized version of M4A. Wonder if she'll release it before the primaries begin?

https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1177006052312846337

9/26/2019 10:57:20 AM

$6k drugs 4 A

9/26/2019 11:00:35 AM

^^^Where do you see that?

9/26/2019 11:19:05 AM

The CNN WAPO NYT lies are just too much to overcome. They are the most powerful political weapon.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/politics/2020-democratic-presidential-candidates-ranked/index.html
Warren, at 18% is 10 points behind Biden so shes a top tier candidate but bernie is 2 points behind her at 16 so he's in not in the top tier when everyone else is at 6 or less. It should be so obvious what they are doing with this dishonest headline.

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"yes, this is why we are laughing at you"

Why would you laugh at a socialist for deciding to vote for a socialist instead of a capitalist.

[Edited on September 26, 2019 at 11:26 AM. Reason : lying headlines]

9/26/2019 11:23:41 AM

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Because of trends? And basically every state poll now showing her ahead?

But you be you.

9/26/2019 11:28:46 AM

^^^NPR yesterday, this is the best I can find:

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/09/25/tulsi-gabbard-2020-democrat-candidate

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"On “Medicare for All” “Yes I support [it]. I prefer to call it 'Medicare Choice,' where we are ensuring quality health care for all people regardless of how little they may have in their pocket or their bank account, while maintaining their freedom of choice. If they've got an employer-sponsored plan or a union-sponsored plan that they're happy with, they should have the opportunity to do so.”"

what she describes after saying she supports it isn't M4A, so she doesn't support M4A

although while trying to find the link i saw a comment that she previously already had the public option plan on her website, so i guess she wasn't a m4a supporter already and i misunderstood or mis-remembered her position

[Edited on September 26, 2019 at 11:32 AM. Reason : ^]

9/26/2019 11:31:48 AM

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"Why would you laugh at a socialist for deciding to vote for a socialist instead of a capitalist."

because in the general election trump winning is bad, and writing in a socialist instead of voting for the democratic candidate is actively helping trump win. its exactly what the trump people who have radicalized you want you to do

9/26/2019 11:34:53 AM

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"Because of trends? And basically every state poll now showing her ahead?"

There are no winner take all states so the race isn't only about who is ahead in each state. Someone could come 2nd in every state and have the lead going into the contested convention.

Trends explain how Warren is favored but Biden is trending down so its not a consistent narrative. Also the trends have been caused by the media doing what they do.

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"because in the general election trump winning is bad, and writing in a socialist instead of voting for the democratic candidate is actively helping trump win. its exactly what the trump people who have radicalized you want you to do"

You've created an entire post based on nothing but assumptions. No one said anything about writing in a socialist. The Russian Trump people sure must have had a lot of foresight to radicalize me all the way back in 2008 when I started voting. I've never been a democrat nor have I voted for a democrat president but somehow you think I'm helping Trump. I could just as easily say voting for a corrupt, capitalist party is helping Trump win and have the receipts to show how democrat policies led directly to Trumpism. Its unfortunate that the democrats are painted as socialist because everytime they take power and screw the country over, the image of socialism is further tarnished.

The socialist agenda has been elevated more in the last 3 years because Trump's bombast has forced people to start to think morally. You assumed I was a democrat just because I like Bernie. I generally hate the party outside of about a dozen or so people. I'd rather keep this same energy of people organizing and taking direct action against the system from a local grassroots level during 4 more years of Trump than to hand the country back to wall street while everyone goes back into hibernation and blames socialism when shit collapses.

If no one votes green, they lose ballot access. There are thresholds where they can reach a certain % and increase ballot access + federal funding. I'm willing to compromise and bendover backwards to vote democrat under certain conditions, but if not, I'm likely to put my vote towards building our way out of this two party crisis. I'm becoming unhinged because I'm surprised at how this seems to be playing out the same way. I convinced myself it would be fair this time and that was stupid.


[Edited on September 26, 2019 at 3:06 PM. Reason : trump is the symptom not the disease]

[Edited on September 26, 2019 at 3:11 PM. Reason : i'm open minded to hearing the democrats out and seeing if they can run a fair primary for once]]

9/26/2019 2:58:42 PM