"it"= Australia?

lol

3/30/2008 4:35:36 PM

It's all true, Al--you were right. How could I have been so blind?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WIsou0IRIQU

4/1/2008 12:29:45 PM

Ted Turner--the founder of CNN--on global warming:

Quote :

"[In thirty to forty years][M]ost of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. . . ."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DSlB1nW4S54

Sweet Jesus.

4/5/2008 3:11:12 AM

we have global warming because too many people are using too much stuff.



pure. fucking. genius.

And this man owns major media outlets.

4/5/2008 1:18:21 PM

I think we can all agree that Ted Turner is an eccentric douchebag

4/5/2008 1:49:24 PM

he aint eccentric. he just plain craaaaazaaaaaaay

4/5/2008 2:50:25 PM

that deserves an embed.

4/5/2008 2:57:28 PM

Wow, I am actually very surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

Global temperatures 'to decrease'

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"Global temperatures for 2008 will be slightly cooler than last year as a result of the cold La Nina current in the Pacific, UN meteorologists have said. The World Meteorological Organization's secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, told the BBC it was likely that La Nina would continue into the summer. But this year's temperatures would still be way above the average - and we would soon exceed the record year of 1998 because of global warming induced by greenhouse gases. The WMO points out that the decade from 1998 to 2007 was the warmest on record. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, the global average surface temperature has risen by 0.74C. While Nasa, the US space agency, cites 2005 as the warmest year, the UK's Hadley Centre lists it as second to 1998. Researchers say the uncertainty in the observed value for any particular year is larger than these small temperature differences. What matters, they say, is the long-term upward trend. Rises 'stalled' La Nina and El Nino are two great natural Pacific currents whose effects are so huge they resonate round the world. El Nino warms the planet when it happens; La Nina cools it. This year, the Pacific is in the grip of a powerful La Nina. It has contributed to torrential rains in Australia and to some of the coldest temperatures in memory in snow-bound parts of China. Mr Jarraud told the BBC that the effect was likely to continue into the summer, depressing temperatures globally by a fraction of a degree. This would mean that temperatures have not risen globally since 1998 when El Nino warmed the world. Watching trends A minority of scientists question whether this means global warming has peaked and argue the Earth has proved more resilient to greenhouse gases than predicted.[emphasis added] But Mr Jarraud insisted this was not the case and noted that 2008 temperatures would still be well above average for the century. "When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming. "La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is important for climate change is that the trend is up; the climate on average is warming even if there is a temporary cooling because of La Nina." Adam Scaife, lead scientist for Modelling Climate Variability at the Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK, said their best estimate for 2008 was about 0.4C above the 1961-1990 average, and higher than this if you compared it with further back in the 20th Century. Mr Scaife told the BBC: "What's happened now is that La Nina has come along and depressed temperatures slightly but these changes are very small compared to the long-term climate change signal, and in a few years time we are confident that the current record temperature of 1998 will be beaten when the La Nina has ended.""

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm


Yes, this was meant to be half serious and half teasing of a certain poster's format. Also, his contribution to the discussion being along the lines of "Well, looks like Al Gore and his fellow anti-capitalist moonbats will have to find a way to explain this one. It seems, just like the US economy, our atmosphere is proving to be more resilient. Also there needs to be some rolly eyes and an "un-fucking-believable" in there somewhere but maybe those will come as a response to rebuttals.




The good thing for me is that La Ninas tend to suggest more hurricane activity for us in the upper southeast. I am tired of Florida getting all the action!

4/5/2008 4:39:10 PM

Thought this was moderately interesting...

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/04/scientists-unve.html

US Carbon Footprint:

4/8/2008 7:33:13 AM

^^ My understanding is that we are in the middle of a low point in solar irradiance as well as the la nina cycle, both of which are depressing temperatures some. Barring a large volcanic eruption, we will likely see new record temperatures in the next few years as solar irradiance increases and el nino kicks in.

Pretty soon after that, civilization will collapse and people will start eating each other.

[Edited on April 8, 2008 at 8:36 AM. Reason : 2]

4/8/2008 8:33:04 AM

too bad that deviations in solar irradiance have practically zero effect on temperature fluctuations. Even the most novice GW proponent will tell you that. Turning full, circle, aren't we?

Gore: IT'S GONNA GET FUCKIN HOT!!!
Smart person: Uhh.. why?
Gore: IT'S ALL THE CAAAARBON!!! BUY MY PRODUCT TO SAVE THE WORLD!!!
Smart Person: Uhh, isn't the sun giving us more heat right now?
Gore: NOOOOOOOO! IT'S THE CAAAAAAAARBON!!! SOLAR IRRADIANCE HAS LITTLE EFFECT!!!
Smart Person: Oh. Ok.
Gore: TRUST ME!! IT'S GONNA BE FUCKIN HOT NEXT YEAR! TERRIBLE HURRICANES!!! BUY MY PRODUCT!!!

a couple years later.

Smart Person: Dude, it's a little cooler now. And there were no hurricanes. What gives?
Gore: DUDE, IT'S GONNA GET HOT! SOLAR IRRADIANCE IS DOWN, THAT EXPLAINS RIGHT NOW!
Smart Person: Oh. Hmmm...
Gore: IT'S GONNA GET HOT!!! BUY MY PRODUCT!!! THX FOR THE NOBEL PRIZE, SUCKER!!!

4/9/2008 12:00:20 AM

Quote :

"Gore: IT'S GONNA GET HOT!!! BUY MY PRODUCT!!! THX FOR THE NOBEL PRIZE, SUCKER!!! "

Ha-ha!

4/9/2008 12:08:35 AM

^^once again, I'm gonna trust NASA over some fools in this thread who think they know everything.

Quote :

"The solar minimum forcing is thus about 0.15 W/m2 relative to the mean solar forcing. For comparison, the human-made GHG climate forcing is now increasing at a rate of about 0.3 W/m2 per decade (Hansen & Sato 2004). If the sun were to remain "stuck" in its present minimum for several decades, as has been suggested (e.g., Independent story) in analogy to the solar Maunder Minimum of the seventeenth century, that negative forcing would be balanced by a 5-year increase of GHGs. "

Do you need me to translate?

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/

4/9/2008 12:17:43 AM

Quote :

"FULL FUCKING CIRCLE"

I love it. Solar Irradiance isn't strong enough to explain AGW, but it IS strong enough to explain why AGW isn't working out as predicted.

Quote :

"PURE FUCKING GENIUS"

This is almost as good as "dark matter" and "dark energy."

4/9/2008 12:22:35 AM

You might have a point if temperatures weren't well above the average of the past 100 years, despite the so called "cooling" that we've seen so far this year.

[Edited on April 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM. Reason : 2]

4/9/2008 12:24:36 AM

you might have a point if the earth actually had a normal temperature to which we could compare short-term averages

4/9/2008 12:33:17 AM

I honestly don't have a point that I'm trying to make, and I don't have an agenda beyond discovering the truth. Throughout this thread I have disagreed with both sides at different times.

My statement, that we are in the middle of a low point in a typically decade-long solar irradiance cycle, was factually accurate. To say that deviations in solar irradiance have practically zero effect on temperature is inaccurate, and I posted evidence from NASA to back up that claim. So fuck off.

4/9/2008 12:55:35 AM

Is climate sensitive to solar variability?
Nicola Scafetta and Bruce J. West

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"The causes of global warming—the increase of approximately 0.8±0.1 °C in the average global temperature near Earth's surface since 1900—are not as apparent as some recent scientific publications and the popular media indicate. We contend that the changes in Earth's average surface temperature are directly linked to two distinctly different aspects of the Sun's dynamics: the short-term statistical fluctuations in the Sun's irradiance and the longer-term solar cycles. This argument for directly linking the Sun's dynamics to the response of Earth's climate is based on our research and augments the interpretation of the causes of global warming presented in the United Nations 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report."

http://www.fel.duke.edu/~scafetta/pdf/opinion0308.pdf

Nicola Scafetta is a research associate in the Duke University physics department. Bruce West is chief scientist in the mathematical and information science directorate, US Army Research Office, in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina.

[Edited on April 9, 2008 at 3:41 AM. Reason : .]

4/9/2008 3:40:36 AM

dude, what do a physicist and a mathematician know about the climate? jeez.

4/9/2008 6:43:21 AM

PETA vs. Gore
Meat: The inconvenient omission

Quote :

"GREEN CITY Al Gore's 2006 Oscar-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth invigorated the global warming debate, and the environmental movement owes him a great deal of appreciation. After all, they don't just give away the Nobel Peace Prize like samples of teriyaki chicken at Costco. Yet some activists point to a gaping hole in Gore's strategy to prevent climate change through lifestyle change: where's the meat? For more than a year, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has hassled Gore to set an example by not eating animal flesh, and more important, to use his group, the Alliance for Climate Protection, to explain that vegetarianism is an important tactic in the fight against global warming. PETA has the facts to back up its case. In 2006, the United Nations released a 400-page report concluding that global greenhouse gas emissions — which include carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrogen dioxide, among others — from livestock production surpass emissions from all cars and trucks combined."

http://tinyurl.com/3s84x5

Oh, the hilarity.



FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!1

4/23/2008 1:03:39 AM

damn right!

4/23/2008 1:38:04 PM

i support your right to eat the triple thick bacon burger; but shit has seriously gotten out of hand.

America home of the free, fat , and lazy.

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 2:41 PM. Reason : a]

4/23/2008 2:41:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi6n_-wB154

lawlz

Even Newt has faced facts.

4/23/2008 7:14:47 PM

^Give the man a little credit. He wrote a book on climate change.

4/23/2008 7:18:21 PM

^ Haha, I'm out of the loop.

And holy crap, Pat Robertson, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhmpsUMdTH8


Soon hooksaw will be the last stalwart of The Truth.

4/23/2008 7:32:11 PM

^ Perhaps so, because Gore sure as hell isn't. ABC News wanted to ask him a few questions about the fake scene taken from the film The Day After Tomorrow and inserted into An Inconvenient Truth--but "The Goracle" was unavailable for comment.

http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/04/2008-04-18-ABC-2020-Gore.mp3

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qc4SPG-bFIo

Quote :

"When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power."

--Alston Chase

4/23/2008 9:49:53 PM

It seems interesting that you only quote the pariahs of a field, and feel that the representation of reality that is optimal.

4/23/2008 9:55:33 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2327629320080423?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

Quote :

"Nearly 900 scientists at the Environmental Protection Agency have experienced political interference in their work in the last five years, the Union of Concerned Scientists reported on Wednesday."

Quote :

"Of those responses, 889 scientists or 60 percent, said they had personally experienced at least one instance of political interference in the last five years; 394 said they experienced frequent or occasional "statements by EPA officials that misrepresent scientists' findings.""

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"Nearly 100 scientists said the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) was the main offender."

If 100 of 889 said the White House was the main offender... Who did the other 789 feel interference from? Congress?

4/24/2008 5:02:12 PM

^ And we never heard about this until a conservative was in office.

Quote :

"[NASA scientist James Hansen] says, from time to time, the Clinton administration wanted to hear warming was worse that it was. But Hansen refused to spin the science that way."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml

4/25/2008 12:56:15 AM

Quote :

"Piltz says he is responsible for editing the report and sending a review draft to the White House. Asked what happens, Piltz says: "It comes back with a large number of edits, handwritten on the hard copy by the chief-of-staff of the Council on Environmental Quality." Asked who the chief of staff is, Piltz says, "Phil Cooney." Piltz says Cooney is not a scientist. "He's a lawyer. He was a lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute, before going into the White House," he says. Cooney, the former oil industry lobbyist, became chief-of-staff at the White House Council on Environmental Quality. Piltz says Cooney edited climate reports in his own hand. In one report, a line that said earth is undergoing rapid change becomes “may be undergoing change.” “Uncertainty” becomes “significant remaining uncertainty.” One line that says energy production contributes to warming was just crossed out. "He was obviously passing it through a political screen," says Piltz. "He would put in the word potential or may or weaken or delete text that had to do with the likely consequence of climate change, pump up uncertainty language throughout." "

That's pretty fucked up.

4/25/2008 3:41:10 AM

Environmental Puppet Agency.

4/25/2008 5:50:35 AM

^^ haha. "he's not a scientist!" Neither were most of the people that edited and authored the IPCC's report. No problem there, though.

4/25/2008 7:23:18 PM

Hurf durf I don't understand science

You think science is a religion

You should shut up and wear the dunce cap

4/25/2008 7:27:13 PM

hurf durf. I don't understand that science IS a religion. good work, fool.

way to refute the FACT that the IPCC report was edited by people with no science backgrounds whatsoever. Not that it really matters when you consider the FACT that the whole global fear-mongering movement was started on the basis on BAD STATISTICS anyway. not science.

4/25/2008 8:01:11 PM

pretty soon, LiusClues' native country is going to be emitting a lot more CO2 than the United States EVER will have

4/25/2008 8:03:08 PM

Who cares? What does the US have to say about it?

"My country" is already overtaking yours. The US is a declining shadow.

4/25/2008 8:20:35 PM

this thread is about climate change, and "your country" is about to be the world's biggest culprit of emissions, what do you have to say about that?

4/25/2008 8:26:02 PM

All I have to say is there's not a damn thing you can do about it. We can do it. We do do it. And we're overtaking your stupid bitch asses every single day. Get used to a world dominated by Asia where the US slinks around in its well-deserved obscurity.

4/25/2008 8:31:50 PM

why do you feel the need to brag about how great your country is when all i'm asking you about is carbon emissions?

4/25/2008 8:33:13 PM

Because your shit sucks and it's hilarious.

4/25/2008 8:42:20 PM

hilarious? doesnt sound like you think anything is funny, it sounds like you're a very angry person...i guess thats what china does to a person though, glad i'm not from there...and apparently there was a reason you left there too, to move to the shitty USA!

4/25/2008 8:45:14 PM

Sinking ships are the best ones to rob.

4/25/2008 8:46:29 PM

shouldve just gone to north korea then...its a lot closer to china than the US is

4/25/2008 8:48:35 PM

LOL, I don't think the US is worried about its superiority being overtaken by China anytime soon. For starters, in order for that to happen China would have to start doing things on their own instead of copying, pirating, and flat out stealing from the rest of the world.

4/25/2008 11:52:04 PM

Little Increase in Americans' Global Warming Worries
Public just can't seem to get worked up about it

Quote :

"Despite the enormous attention paid to global warming over the past several years, the average American is in some ways no more worried about it than in years past."

Quote :

"But the American public is more worried about a series of other environmental concerns than about global warming, and there has been no consistent upward trend on worry about global warming going back for two decades. Additionally, only a little more than a third of Americans say that immediate, drastic action is needed in order to maintain life as we know it on the planet."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106660/Little-Increase-Americans-Global-Warming-Worries.aspx

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE OR AL GORE SAYS GLOBAL WARMING WILL GET YOU!!!1

Or not.

4/26/2008 8:09:47 AM

Quote :

"But the American public is more worried about a series of other environmental concerns than about global warming,"

About freakin' time. While impending climate change is a valid concern there are certainly other more pressing issues worth noting which were sadly swept under the rug in the face of howlers from both sides of the GW debate.

4/26/2008 2:20:34 PM

^agreed.

4/26/2008 2:58:20 PM

^^

Quote :

"About freakin' time. While impending climate change is may be a valid concern there are certainly other more pressing issues worth noting which were sadly swept under the rug in the face of howlers from both sides of the GW debate."

I was almost with you.

4/26/2008 10:34:47 PM

Except that climate change is a valid concern no matter the form it comes in. Be it from human induced activity or strictly from the sun (or a combination of the two) the effects from climate change (and I am not just talking "global warming") are real and should be minimized if not prevented.

This could be accomplished through sustainable living practices with a conscious realization that despite being tiny creatures on a seemingly large planet that the actions of 6 billion of us do indeed add up.

4/26/2008 10:58:39 PM

hooksaw should apply for a position in the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

4/27/2008 3:23:35 PM