I mean, do you disagree?

You saw something on twitter that you thought was accurate/relevant and then without fully understanding it or attempting to verify, you turned around and posted it on another medium.

If you're doing it, so are countless others.

7/5/2022 7:05:22 PM

I didn't argue that twitter has zero influence so I think your point is irrelevant.

Also, people are wrong sometimes, pretty much across the spectrum.

7/5/2022 7:17:56 PM

Oh come on man, argue in good faith. I didn't say you said it had ZERO impact, but you seem to keep minimizing the impact as if it's statistically insignificant.

7/5/2022 7:25:03 PM

I didn't say you said I said that either.

Your post is about whether or not Twitter can spread disinformation, of course it can.

My post was about the platforms available to those you say spread disinformation and that it pales in comparison to party leadership and more center leaning sources. Overall, twitters influence is small compared to other sources, then, the users you are upset with also have less influence then the counter.

Therefore your question/point is irrelevant to my point.

If I had said some 'big twitter users' or something would that be better? BJG and RK aren't nobodies on Twitter, but they aren't massive either.

7/5/2022 7:33:33 PM

And you and TGL keep refuting that twitter misinformation or very loud progressive voices/rose twitter kept people at home in 2016.

7/5/2022 7:36:16 PM

And no, I really don't mean to keep shitting on progressives or the people that stayed home in 2016. It's in the past, nothing can change it.

But you need to recognize it's a fucking huge problem and work to overcome it in 2022.

7/5/2022 7:37:47 PM

I don't think it affected the election results in a meaningful way, that's true.

But if you think it's a huge problem, whose responsibility is it to solve it?

7/5/2022 7:45:24 PM

Quote :

" And you and TGL keep refuting that twitter misinformation or very loud progressive voices/rose twitter kept people at home in 2016."

now you’re conflating two very different things

I’ve never argued that misinformation isn’t a problem. I simply said that the progressive twitter accounts that you’ve railed against don’t have that much of an influence.

7/5/2022 7:54:21 PM

It has enough influence to get rwoody to post inaccurate stuff.

You really don't think it has enough influence to keep a very small portion of the population home or to vote third party in 2016?

7/5/2022 7:58:03 PM

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

How you guys feel about this article about the "fortification" effort? LOL. No conspiracy here! LOL. I honestly couldn't believe they actually admitted it like it was noble. I don't think there was widespread fraud, but the deamplifation of some stories and people and the amplification of others definitely played a huge role... and both sides were ready to try to overturn the other.

It's so weird. Since 75% of people didn't know shit about politics before Trump came along, they don't realize how many lawyers are on standby after elections, and all sorts of stuff. Then CNN tells them that the Republicans are doing something unprecedented and they lap it up. LOL

7/5/2022 8:00:03 PM

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" It has enough influence to get rwoody to post inaccurate stuff."

can you post the example? I’m not seeing it on the last page, at least

7/5/2022 8:13:04 PM

It would be really funny to me if he just posted an 'everything' type meme

7/5/2022 8:21:00 PM

A post in May in the Democratic Party credibility thread. He posted a random Twitter about Senator Whitehouse calling for an investigation on Kavanaugh with the obvious implication it was current and a new story.

I don't care that he was wrong, I didn't give him shit for it then and won't know. It's the fact that you two don't think it's in the realm of possibility that progressive voices on Twitter, bots amplifying those voices, or just plain misinformation couldn't have kept 80k people home in 2016.

7/5/2022 8:25:43 PM

Not too late to edit and post this

7/5/2022 8:27:39 PM

Okay

7/5/2022 8:29:44 PM

Also I'll say i was at least contextually wrong about the Clarence Thomas thing the other day. I think some non Twitter 'respectable' news sources initially took that stance at first too though. But maybe I'm full of shit there in offer zero proof

7/5/2022 8:30:17 PM

Yeah, there was some absolutely clickbait journalism with that

And look how tgl reacted when I pointed out that Thomas was just stating the case and that the point was technically correct. I got accused of holding water for the shitbag.

7/5/2022 8:35:24 PM

Quote :

"It's the fact that you two don't think it's in the realm of possibility that progressive voices on Twitter, bots amplifying those voices, or just plain misinformation couldn't have kept 80k people home in 2016."

..

It's in the realm of possibility, so are 20 other things.

If that swung the election and is a huge problem, I'm curious how the party plans to address it.

7/5/2022 8:37:09 PM

anything is in the realm of possibility if you don’t have the data to support your claim

Quote :

" And look how tgl reacted when I pointed out that Thomas was just stating the case and that the point was technically correct. I got accused of holding water for the shitbag."

forgive me for not giving the benefit of the doubt to a religious radical who happens to sit on the Supreme Court

7/5/2022 9:03:18 PM

K

7/5/2022 9:14:07 PM

Not sure a better place to put a thread about media calling public lazy

Quote :

"A Brief History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore ??"

https://twitter.com/paulisci/status/1549527748950892544

7/19/2022 10:50:09 PM

"Women don't want to make butter anymore!"

That's what's wrong with this country!

7/20/2022 6:49:53 AM

Quote :

"Voters like to see a sense of authenticity in candidates, especially in Texas. But cursing and vulgar language in front of children and the elderly more often than not crosses the line. https://t.co/wq2QvEF0mL"

Thanks for the take npr

8/12/2022 11:39:28 AM

Texas doesn't take kindly to a candidate that doesn't have family values. It's why they overwhelmingly voted for Clinton and Biden in the last two presidential elections.

8/12/2022 12:39:05 PM

CNN is being purged?

[Edited on September 5, 2022 at 5:05 PM. Reason : seems like odd timing with trump on the ropes]

9/5/2022 5:04:49 PM

They're going right, based on my timeline anyway I never watch/visit

9/5/2022 5:34:37 PM

CNN has been pretty trash for awhile

9/5/2022 6:27:50 PM

Are they still gonna call it Communist/Clinton News Network?

9/6/2022 9:46:36 AM

just following their incentives, as most organizations tend to do

https://twitter.com/ReallyActivist/status/1566112660118069248

9/6/2022 10:00:13 AM

tripping over themselves to try and make Fetterman recovering from a stroke A Thing

10/12/2022 11:25:54 AM

What do you mean to make it a thing?

10/12/2022 1:42:15 PM

into more of a horse race and to get eyeballs from the right

10/12/2022 1:53:03 PM

OIC.

Thx.

10/12/2022 4:20:25 PM

RIP Vice

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12035453/Vice-file-bankruptcy-buyer-not-latest-new-media-company-collapse.html

5/2/2023 2:20:04 PM

This poll is absolutely wild.

5/8/2023 3:13:55 PM

NBC Nightly News dedicating time to the “crisis” at the border and zero time to the impending government shutdown caused solely by the GOP

9/21/2023 6:56:02 PM

the liberal media does generally selectively report and ignore certain issues which end up only getting covered and spinned by the organizations republicans end up liking

at least the right wing media is more openly biased, albeit being many magnitudes more extreme

I liken media sources to a bunch of dirt in a sieve, shake it to aggregate the facts left behind

9/21/2023 7:12:51 PM

Us adds 336k jobs and headlines are about why that's bad

10/7/2023 11:49:48 AM

the economy can be technically strong for sure, but it isn't better for the average guy

10/7/2023 11:56:41 AM

The average guy is not something to aspire to be. Always a sad story about whatever latest thing is keeping him down, when many times it's his own willful ignorance and self-pity. People are actually proud of their ignorance. I'm speaking more about white trash and not those affected by structural racism.

10/7/2023 2:19:06 PM

I don't think the average guy is like that.

Maybe the average guy who is vocal online. In which case, I'd agree with you.

[Edited on October 7, 2023 at 4:08 PM. Reason : -]

10/7/2023 4:07:20 PM

OK, how would you describe the average guy for whom the economy supposedly isn't working?

10/7/2023 4:58:45 PM

I don't know how to define "economy not working", what I originally said was that it just isn't "better" for the average joe/family in terms of prices, economic mobility.
Maybe I should've specified family, when you're a single dude you are more free to live a bit harder and find opportunities.

I guess the economy is just changing and we're in one of those stages. It'll take more than a few years to have a settled idea of what's happening after covid.

10/7/2023 6:21:12 PM

Fair. But some strategies don't change. Work hard, save hard, spend less.

10/7/2023 6:25:04 PM

A 100%. I don't doubt that a lot of people's economic issues, especially for those without dependents or special circumstances, come down to individual choices rather than blaming some macro situation.
Hell, even things like covid can create more opportunities eventually if you look for them.

Unfortunately, I think we've normalized a lot of bad spending habits in a cultural sense.

[Edited on October 7, 2023 at 7:00 PM. Reason : !grammar]

10/7/2023 6:59:12 PM

"the economy" is made up of many complex interweaving factors, but adding tons of new jobs should be a great sign under any president?

If economists think unemployment needs to be higher for a functioning economy, they need to convince the government to massively increase unemployment benefits, otherwise any "average" person is going to find having a job to be better than the opposite.

10/7/2023 7:46:11 PM

Ehh, I don't know.

A lot of those jobs were in hospitality, part time, etc.
And while that could still be recovery from pre-pandemic in those sectors, it isn't 'new'.

Plus, I see people use real wages and other common measurements, but even those aren't very indicative. CPI doesn't properly account for the main prices faced by people, especially with things like increasing monthly payments, as it bases itself on the net price.

On the other hand, a lot of the comments I see from the "ah we're collapsing" crowd are misleading and quoting credit card debt rising stuff based on and compared to statistics from when we were sending money into people's hands during the pandemic. So, in that sense, we're just resetting.

Americans aren't stupid, and there are some things you can see in front of your eyes.
On the other hand, many Americans are stupid and are living beyond their means, and that is a normal. In which case, one should think, is this worth measuring or should we leave those to reap what they sow and set an example?

One thing a lot of people don't realize is that over time, our spending on consumer items, food, it has all become cheaper. Food used to be a much more significant expenditure 50+ years ago. But now so much of our population is obese, that's probably a strain on the 'economy', and on people's lives in general. I like to think of things through patterns. When a person gets fat, it just isn't the outside, their organs, their inner body starts getting surrounded and squeezed in by visceral fat and inflammation. The same way, our economy and people get eaten on the inside.
But that too is 'normal' now, so what exactly are we trying to measure? What's the goal here, what's the scale?

Perhaps we should open an Economic church. Let the old testament be of Smith and the new of Keynes. Stained glass cathedrals for the former and brick veneers for the latter. And maybe a tiny shrine of ascetic austerity for the Austrians. Hell, it'd create some jobs. Someone's gonna need to open up taco bells en route the pilgrimages. If we lock up the lefty journalists opposing such a use of public funds, maybe public sentiment would rise too. Biden, you know what to do.

10/7/2023 9:29:46 PM

Employment level is higher today than pre pandemic

10/7/2023 10:47:16 PM

That can mean a lot of things

[Edited on October 7, 2023 at 10:57 PM. Reason : one figure doesn't mean anything without context]

10/7/2023 10:56:43 PM

whole lotta words based on ~~vibes~~

10/7/2023 10:56:49 PM