18 minutes in and their biggest critique is that he wasn’t pro-Israel

they seem to be mad he didn’t write the book they wish he would’ve

12/21/2024 9:10:15 PM

20 minutes in and they’re claiming he’s an extremist/radical

there is nothing extremist/radical in the book

12/21/2024 9:11:48 PM

25 minutes in and they’re now attacking the 1619 Project

12/21/2024 9:20:57 PM

27 minutes in and dude sounds like he’s reading from a PragerU script on why slavery wasn’t unique to the US

12/21/2024 9:24:07 PM

28 minutes in and dude is making the claim that it wasn’t slavery that was an economic boom for the US, it was free market capitalism

12/21/2024 9:26:20 PM

29 minutes in and they just referenced Jussie Smollett

12/21/2024 9:29:04 PM

the final 6 minutes are the host talking about a book she admitted she didn’t read

it shouldn’t be too much of an ask to actually read the thing that you’re critiquing

12/21/2024 9:34:52 PM

this gem is from Coleman Hughes’ wikipedia page:

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"On the murder of George Floyd, Hughes believes that "there was clearly reasonable doubt on whether Chauvin caused Floyd's death".[31]"

12/21/2024 9:43:43 PM

Fight the fight bro. Maybe in 4 years I'll be there with you

12/22/2024 3:50:50 AM

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"Do Jews have equal rights as Muslims in Ramallah? "

According to google Gemini ai they do

Do you know of any specific examples or laws the demonstrate legal discrimination?

12/22/2024 11:35:12 AM

https://chatgpt.com/share/67685fea-bb6c-800a-93f4-72705c42a98f

[Edited on December 22, 2024 at 1:53 PM. Reason : will address tgl's posts later I reckon]

12/22/2024 1:52:41 PM

^
Seems like that’s largely an Israeli policy perhaps

https://chatgpt.com/share/67687251-1dbc-8011-8f11-82003941ad47

12/22/2024 3:11:42 PM

legally it's because that's how the Oslo Accords were set up. the Palestinian Authority has control over Area A territories and they do not allow Israelis to enter. culturally, it's because Jews know that if they do go into those areas, they may quickly become the targets of violence. meanwhile 20% of Israelis are non-Jewish and generally speaking have equal rights.

but the bottom line is that Jews do NOT have equal rights in Ramallah. and that's the point of the criticism of Coates' book - he and so many others only talk about the discrimination and hardship that Palestinians face, but they completely avoid talking about the root of this entire conflict - arabs/turks/egyptians/persians in the region, especially the muslim ones are incredibly discriminatory to Jews.

[Edited on December 22, 2024 at 5:54 PM. Reason : .]

12/22/2024 5:53:31 PM

they're doing an in depth report on the pager / walkie talkie thing on 60 Minutes right now

12/22/2024 7:54:41 PM

tl;dw

hezbollah had the walkie talkies containing the explosives for 10 years before they finally activated them and started using them after the pagers blew up. the pagers were sabotaged only a few years ago. they even got the saleswoman who hezbollah was used to dealing with to work for them. after the pager and walkie talkies went off, hezbollah members were scared to even turn on air conditioners, etc. totally broke them psychologically. while 'only' killing about 30 members.

12/22/2024 9:49:36 PM

^^^
I don’t doubt that Jews wouldn’t be comfortable in Ramallah

But I’m not seeing where they don’t have equal rights legally due to Palestinian policies— it seems its mostly the Israeli policies that are essentially banning Jews from entering Palestinian areas

But I feel the bigger point you’re missing is that you’re focusing on the social/cultural discrimination that defines the existence of Jewish people in Palestine, when they seem to essentially very few legal restrictions, while criticizing Coates for only focusing on the social and cultural aspects of discrimination.

It seems true that Israelis are currently racially oppressing Palestinians, while Jewish people face racial oppression in other contexts. But they don’t justify each other.

12/23/2024 12:15:01 AM

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"tl;dw hezbollah had the walkie talkies containing the explosives for 10 years before they finally activated them and started using them after the pagers blew up. the pagers were sabotaged only a few years ago. they even got the saleswoman who hezbollah was used to dealing with to work for them. after the pager and walkie talkies went off, hezbollah members were scared to even turn on air conditioners, etc. totally broke them psychologically. while 'only' killing about 30 members."

Thanks for the summary. I was interested, but didn't catch it. Might try to find it on the internets.

12/23/2024 8:01:35 AM

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"meanwhile 20% of Israelis are non-Jewish and generally speaking have equal rights."

"generally speaking" is doing some pretty heavy lifting there

12/24/2024 9:08:44 AM

came across this article, which while from 2023 I think is still a reasonably accurate take on the situation. i'll post the conclusion for brevity but read the rest of the article too.

https://www.gurwinder.blog/p/debunking-myths-about-israel-and

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"Final Thoughts We need to stop viewing this issue in terms of who is oppressing who, because that leads nowhere. On the one hand, we have Palestinians who were denied a state of their own, and who are now forced to endure sanctions and bombings while trapped under the tyranny of an Islamist death-cult that steals their aid, suppresses their rights, and uses them as human shields. On the other hand, we have the Jews, who have been persecuted throughout history, and who asked for a single place in which they could finally be safe, just one tiny Jewish state that was relentlessly attacked from the moment it was born, and which is now trying to survive amid 22 hostile Arab states and a world that resents it. Either side can easily be portrayed as the victim, because victimhood is limited only by imagination. So we must consider the question not in terms of who is most oppressed, but who is most reasonable? Who is most willing to compromise, and whose goals will, overall, benefit Israelis and Palestinians most? Israel has its extremes — its bombs sometimes hit civilians, its settlement-building is out of control, and its Supreme Court is under attack by its own government. But Israel’s excesses are Hamas’ norms. The jihadis don’t even have a Supreme Court, or any checks on their power. They’ve stifled their people’s freedom more than Israel ever could. And they’ve sworn to keep killing civilians as long as Israel still stands. Ultimately, Israel can only be a better neighbor to the Palestinians when Hamas and its allies are gone. Tragically, that requires violence. Israel should know that the world is watching, and will hold it to account for any excesses. At the same time, it is doing what must be done, and so, for the sake of both Israelis and Palestinians, I give it my cautious and conditional support."

[Edited on January 4, 2025 at 12:02 PM. Reason : ^ care to elaborate?]

1/4/2025 12:00:22 PM

^

I agree with everything you have quoted there but as that was in 2023 and the essay didn’t have any conditions on when his “conditional” support of Israel would end, then what are his conditions?

They’ve already displaced 100,000 Palestinians and killed about 60,000 more (according to a recent Reuters article other places show larger numbers).

What conditions would a reasonable person have on when they can’t support Netanyahu actions ? I would argue we’ve already triggered the conditions where we need to stop supporting him

1/4/2025 3:30:24 PM

this conflict is fundamentally not about Netanyahu. you can say he's a good leader, a flawed leader, a bad leader, or an evil leader, and it does not change the equation one bit.

and this is what I've been trying to explain to y'all. this isn't about territorial disputes or whether Arabs have equal rights in Israel or whether Palestinians have an internationally recognized state. in the West, we see those things as legitimate issues (and they certainly are) but in the middle east and the muslim world broadly, those are used as wedge issues to cut at Israel's reputation in order to diminish its support and legitimacy, SO THAT the Muslim world can one day force Israel to cease to exist and make all of Palestine Dar al-Islam. it is at its core a religious war.



and if you truly want to understand this perspective better, I'm telling you, this lecture is one of the best, most concise analyses i've seen

to the rest of your post...

there have been 60,000 Israelis displaced in the north as well, thanks to Hezbollah. nobody seems to care about that though.

I haven't seen the 60,000 Palestinians killed figure. Everything I've seen has been in the 45k range for months at this point it seems, and those numbers are provided by the Gaza Health Ministry and do not distinguish between combatants and civilians. it also reminds me of this claim from the summer which the anti-zionist cool kids were so eager to swallow whole.

As I've said before, all of those deaths are terrible. And they were completely avoidable. By Hamas and all the other Jew Hater organizations in the region growing the fuck up and choosing to live in peace. But they have yet to figure out how to do that.

Considering Hamas has yet to even come close to releasing the hostages, Netanyahu is pretty damn justified in this war thus far.

[Edited on January 4, 2025 at 4:22 PM. Reason : fuck religious wars and woe to the fools who fall for their lies]

also, remember when israel said al-jazeera couldn't do their propaganda in the country any longer? well now even the Palestinian Authority has kicked them out.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-authority-suspends-broadcast-qatars-al-jazeera-tv-temporarily-2025-01-01/

[Edited on January 4, 2025 at 4:38 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2025 4:21:31 PM

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" this conflict is fundamentally not about Netanyahu"

he certainly is someone who could end it tomorrow if he wanted to, though

1/4/2025 11:22:57 PM

and that's what i'm telling you. that's not true at all. unless islam reforms itself and rids itself of the notion that its destiny is to conquer the world and the jews in particular, this conflict will continue.

[Edited on January 5, 2025 at 7:52 AM. Reason : . ]

1/5/2025 7:48:10 AM

that gurwinder article seems quite biased and none of it excuses the slaughter of dozens of women and children on a daily basis for 14+ months. They are not going to eradicate Hamas and its allies. That is not possible.

1/6/2025 12:43:35 PM

you call it biased, but is any of it untrue? maybe you just feel uncomfortable with those truths and it's easier to dismiss them as "biased" so you don't have to confront the possibility that you have been misled and manipulated.

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"and none of it excuses the slaughter of dozens of women and children on a daily basis for 14+ months"

and the blame lies squarely with Hamas and all the other Jew Haters who for a century have been denying the right to self-determination of the Jewish people, all because they've been convinced their God demands they subjugate non-Muslims and especially the Jews.

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"They are not going to eradicate Hamas and its allies. That is not possible."

Like any nation, Israel has the right and the duty to protect themselves from people who wish them harm. What alternative to warfare (that Israel did not start) do you suggest? Would you rather all the Jews just accept the fate that Hamas intends for them, go ahead and drown themselves in the Mediterranean and allow Palestine to finally be free, from the river to the sea?

[Edited on January 6, 2025 at 12:57 PM. Reason : perhaps ukrainians should accept the fate Putin intends for them as well.]

1/6/2025 12:56:24 PM

Okay man. I'm sorry, but you seem unreasonable and a bit of an extremist. I won't comment further.

1/6/2025 1:22:34 PM

1/6/2025 1:26:46 PM

I kind of think it is extreme not to think that way

1/6/2025 8:32:53 PM

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ben-gvir-says-he-repeatedly-foiled-hostage-deals-urges-smotrich-to-help-him-stop-this-one/

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" Ben Gvir says he repeatedly foiled hostage deals, urges Smotrich to help him stop this one Far-right Otzma Yehudit leader says over the past year ‘we managed to prevent this deal from going ahead, time after time’; Religious Zionism party said set to meet Netanyahu"

1/14/2025 11:03:26 AM

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"the current deal does not immediately ensure the release of all hostages held in Gaza"

what are they waiting for. release every single hostage and end this war.

this conversation (with a former Labour Party and Independence Party Knesset member) expands on the "this was never a territorial dispute" claim



and here are two dispassionate AIs discussing the Israel/Palestine issue with a panel of AI judges evaluating the results.



[Edited on January 14, 2025 at 8:12 PM. Reason : .]

1/14/2025 8:09:43 PM

What exactly do you think the value of the AI video is?

1/15/2025 10:27:14 AM

because it presents the relevant information and points of view from each side without it becoming a personal pissing match.

1/15/2025 10:28:23 AM

Deal forthcoming???

1/15/2025 12:29:56 PM

so 33 hostages will be released in the first phase, and not all of them are even guaranteed to be alive.

I'd much rather see ALL hostages released and put an END to this war, but hopefully the deal will stick and the remaining hostages will be released in the months ahead.

In exchange for 33 hostages, hundreds of Palestinian prisoners will be released. so much for proportionality...

and just a reminder - in 2005 Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and less than a year later Hamas militants used tunnels to enter into Israel and held Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit hostage for 5 years only to release him in exchange for 1000+ prisoners. clearly Hamas learned it's an effective technique.

[Edited on January 15, 2025 at 4:16 PM. Reason : also of note, one of the hostages to be released is Chapel Hill resident Keith Siegel.]

1/15/2025 4:08:07 PM