http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntI-n2Hd-sI&feature=player_embedded

3/19/2012 1:17:49 PM

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"Of course, that's just me and how I view most people. I'm sure the badasses that populate this thread would have no problem adjusting to the zombie apocalypse so they wouldn't need such a steep learning curve."

See, I feel almost completely opposite to this. The zombie killing and horrible things that would require a learning curve (if the average person could bring themselves to do at all) seems to be practically ignored in this show. No one seems to have an issue with stabbing a recently dead human in the eye socket with a Swiss army knife without blinking. But see, I shit myself at the sight of spiders. If I ever saw a reanimated dead person I'd run like a little bitch in the other direction until I collapsed. But basic things like "not running out of gas" and "sleeping inside when that's an option" are concepts that most people should be on top of well before zombies were upon them.

I feel like the writing is so bad, it's not an issue of, "I'm such a badass, I would already have a 6 story castle set up with automatic zombie killing death rays every 6 feet along the perimeter for my automated protection" but more like "I would make sure my car has gas in it when I wanted to go somewhere". I'm not saying I want everyone to be perfect (again, I think that would make for a fairly boring show) but I don't even feel like their mistakes are realistic in the slightest.

3/19/2012 1:43:10 PM

So no love for my houseboat survival strategy? I thought that was clever

3/19/2012 1:49:02 PM

i more prefer an island than a houseboat. houseboat could run out of fuel then you are screwed just drifting to who knows where. big enough island, while having limited sources of fuel too, should be more sustainable. this is assuming that zombies don't swim lol

3/19/2012 1:54:21 PM

i hope they go back for Dale's RV at some point

3/19/2012 2:13:24 PM

The more I've watched of the show the more I tend to agree with what Socks said. Fictional world and who knows how some folks would react with things. Lori and Rick weren't getting along at the beginning of the show before he was shot. Lori felt hugely guilty at leaving him only to have him show up at the camp later. Rick spends so much time focused on everyone and everything else that he tends to take his wife and son for granted. This was established in the first episode (I think).


As far as not telling the group what the CDC doc said I don't think I would either. Didn't the doc make all of them get tested before they were allowed in? He said they were fine and then all of the sudden he tells Rick everyone is infected. Rick may have thought the doc was crazy and just wanted some more company when he nuked the place. Till that point they haven't seen anything to suggest that the doc was right. So why stress it when they had other crap to worry about.


Last night with running out of gas I could see that happening. Older truck may use gas faster. They just watched their home get overrun. They even talked about how they were lulled into a false sense of security concerning the zombies. Previously they were focused on the kid who escaped so they didn't have they usual guard posted on top of the RV. They also said they were going to stay off the main roads and just take the back roads. So maybe with all that they didn't have the chance to look for gas, didn't pass any cars, weren't thinking straight, or avoided towns out of fear. So I can give that a pass.


With not finding a place to crash for the night or staying in their cars. If they are taking back roads maybe they haven't seen any places to stay or places they felt comfortable with. Also I would not stay in my car with the chance zombies stumble across it, surround it and I am left without gas to get away. I would camp outside, but I would not build a fire so every freaking zombie in the woods could home in on it. That's pretty dumb.


I can give most things a pass. It's a tv show and it's a fantasy. So I can turn my brain off a bit and enjoy it. I know not everything will be perfect like the magic shotgun. (If L4D3 came out and that was a preorder I would get it!..lol ) As long as there aren't glaring plot holes or horrific dialogue and the story is interesting I'm okay with it.

3/19/2012 2:34:58 PM

thought it was funny when Carl cried about Shane after trying to be such a badass

3/19/2012 2:37:14 PM

he was crying because it was the first time he heard why his dad killed shane (because shane tried to kill him). he lost one father figure to the other.

3/19/2012 2:50:45 PM

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"I can give most things a pass. It's a tv show and it's a fantasy"

I agree with this. I do mostly enjoy the show, despite its flaws. But it's a big step to go from "I can look past that" to "wow, this writing is really good"

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 3:00 PM. Reason : Although running out of gas and avoiding houses is pretty hard to ignore in my book. ]

3/19/2012 2:57:16 PM

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"Also, I'm confused by the whole "the farm is lost" idea. Why not just drive off the farm and go back there in a couple of days? I'm sure the hoard will have moved on..."

Yeah this part REALLY bothered me. They are acting like the zombies tore the house to shreds and there is nothing left to go back to.

With all the people gone, the walkers would most likely just keep on wandering to somewhere else and the farm would be safe to go back to in a few days.

They are acting like this isn't even an option to pursue.

If the writers wanted to make them leave and convey that going back to the farm was not an option, they should have come up with a scenario where the house gets burned to the ground instead of the barn.

It would be ridiculous to think that the walkers are just going to be hanging around there for the near future.




It's not that the overall writing is bad, it's just that they have basically put no thought into things when they write it into the show. They just appear to come up with an idea, approve it, and then don't even consider if its plausible, realistic, or how it affects other things. A few instances of this isn't that big a deal, but when its CONSTANTLY happening with almost every situation or thing, it gets really annoying.

I still love the show and enjoy watching it for what it is, but I just can't help but sit back and think how fucking bad ass this show could be if they had a top notch writing team instead of what the have now.

If the writers from Breaking Bad could have done this show, I can only imagine how ridiculously awesome it would be.

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 3:16 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2012 3:13:50 PM

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"I think the characters on Walking Dead are well written because I could see real people acting exactly like that. I think *most* people would be ill prepared (mentally and emotionally) for the apocalypse and that they would make a LOT of dumb moves at first (as in the first few MONTHS). That's because surviving in this new world would require them to change everything about themselves (personalities, moral values, etc) and that doesn't happen in a weekend. So I am totally fine watching the characters DEVELOP to become accustomed to this new world. And it is because of that DEVELOPMENT that I will be able to **believe** that they are capable of the shit they will likely be doing next season. "

I think that too, Lori and the other damsels in distress were clearly never the outdoorsy types. Between Daryl, Shane, and Rick and other more qualified others too, they could should have been able to use foresight to know that they need to prepare for anything they can think of. None of the former police officers and KKK members had any clue what to do? come on, give me a break... 1. fortify 2. lookouts (at all times) 3. if you cannot tell who it is don't shoot (cough* Andrea) 4. have a plan. I mean the only person that makes sense ever to me is Daryl and the dude is such a one note character right now. And that is why the writing is bad, none of it is believable, all of the characters are different shades of shitty instincts.


no one fortified anything? even after the run in w/ Randalls crew that made everyone paranoid?

no boarded window.... nothing... I am not sure these are the type of people that would be left after the zombie apocalypse.

And yes, I also agree that there would be a learning curve, and duh.., I would definitely make mistakes, but there is just no learning occuring. Seriously, how long does it take a dumb bitch to figure out how not to run off on her own in one of the few working cars while pregnant and run into the only walker in the road...

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 3:20 PM. Reason : .]

3/19/2012 3:16:30 PM

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"no boarded window.... nothing... I am not sure these are the type of people that would be left after the zombie apocalypse."

I never recall noticing it in past episodes, but last night when they were outside on the porch before they fled, all the bottom floor windows I could see where boarded up.

3/19/2012 3:28:13 PM

^I probably missed that, but there was never a real plan/discussion for locking down the farm so that they would not have to flee if they were overrun.

3/19/2012 3:35:25 PM

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"I got that connection too. And while someone telling me they committed murder would be shocking, in this situation I would be ok with it, and fucking hug my husband who just had to kill his "best friend". So really I made that connection because how self-absorbed she is and how she completely ignores safety, logic, and rationality."

Let me fix that... "and while someone telling me they committed murder killed someone in self-defense who was in the midst of executing an elaborate plan to murder them and take over our group would be shocking, in this situation I would be ok with it, and fucking hug my husband"

Her husband's best friend since high school just tried to murder him to essentially [i]take[i/] Lori and Carl, and he had to kill him in self-defense. And she acted like Rick did something wrong. I don't get why she would feel guilty. Rick didn't murder Shane. Shane created this situation.

I'm not saying she should be a robot and not respond emotionally. But her reaction didn't make sense to me and it made her more unlikable to many. So either the people running the show wanted that (in which case it's not necessarily bad writing but poor show-running imo), or the actress did a shitty job of portraying what they wanted, or I got the wrong thing from it. I don't think it's the latter because everyone I was with reacted like I did, and seems many others have as well.

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"But I don't think that makes her a poorly written character (like some people seem to be saying), just one they don't particularly like. "

I think Lori of season 1 and Lori of Season 2 are inconsistent. Lori of season 1 seemed much more stronger and rational. And I realize that characters may change over time, I want that... it's called growth (character change driven by events) and development (learning more about the character through events). But what i'v seen this season seems to really clash with what I saw in season 1. That seems like poor writing to me.

imo, if this is who the writers want Lori to be, they're idiots. She brings nothing to the table. Disliking a "baddy" makes sense. Liking a good guy makes sense. the anti-hero makes sense. But here's Lori... people don't like her. She's not a bad guy. She's not the hero. In any other show (where she's not the lead's wife), she'd be ripe for killing off.

3/19/2012 4:01:00 PM

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" killed someone in self-defense who was in the midst of executing an elaborate plan to murder them and take over our group"

I was saying, yes to somebody I know telling me they murdered someone

however, in this situation (self-defense etc etc) she should not have reacted that way, does she think that it was easy on Rick (The guy who wanted to save Randall?)...... not realistic specially since she ordered it 2 episodes ago.

3/19/2012 4:04:59 PM

yeah, sorry, i wasn't trying to disagree with you at all. I was trying to put more emphasis on it for others.


The "the farm is lost" thing is another example of poor writing/show-running imo. As many have said, it doesn't make sense. The house is still there. You leave for a couple of days, then send a small group back to scope it out. If there are still some there, you systematically pick them off... they have rifles... until they can get them to a more manageable number and use other means of putting down the walkers.

The reality is that they (the writers/show-runners) wanted to move on from the farm and this was an exciting way to do it. But again, it's not sensible to think the farm is completely lost because a MOVING herd came through and drove you out for a few hours. They could have easily shown the house get over run... or how about this: A zombie (or zombies) on fire from the barn move along to the house and catch it on fire. That is fun, takes care of the house in a sensible way, and achieves the goal of forcing the characters to move on.

3/19/2012 4:11:54 PM

yea.

And Hershel's instantaneous and unnatural assumption that the farm was gone was a little disingenuous to me.

3/19/2012 4:17:32 PM

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"The reality is that they (the writers/show-runners) wanted to move on from the farm and this was an exciting way to do it. But again, it's not sensible to think the farm is completely lost because a MOVING herd came through and drove you out for a few hours. They could have easily shown the house get over run... or how about this: A zombie (or zombies) on fire from the barn move along to the house and catch it on fire. That is fun, takes care of the house in a sensible way, and achieves the goal of forcing the characters to move on."

Exactly.

I honestly don't understand the thought process these writers went through that made them think that the farm was lost. I mean fuck, its painfully obvious to basically everyone watching the show that they could just leave for a bit then come back. How the writers didn't get this and take other means, such as the fire walkers setting the house on fire, is beyond me.

This is the type of shit that is pissing most of us off. It's just lazy and bad writing.

3/19/2012 4:19:25 PM

bottom line, lori is a cunt, Rick should snap and kill that bitch and start hate fucking andrea

3/19/2012 4:22:00 PM

spydyrwyr:

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"So no love for my houseboat survival strategy? I thought that was clever "

They do this in one of the Day by Day Armageddon books (I think it was the first one). It works for a while. The same can be said about the cruise ships/ocean liners in World War Z.

3/19/2012 6:28:43 PM

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"It's just lazy and bad writing."

3/19/2012 6:47:25 PM

"the farm is gone" because it was overrun with almost no warning. it could just as easily happen again.

also a couple of days would not cut it, there are livestock and other food sources for the zombies nearby, plus they have no idea how large the herd is, it could be millions of zombies for all they know.

I hope they change Michonne (sp) to M-dog or something equally stupid. Her chained zombies looked pretty cool on the screen though.

3/19/2012 6:52:19 PM

You sound like one of the writers trying to justify their horrible writing.

No warning? Do you want a few of the walkers to run ahead of the herd and warn those ahead that they are coming?

I'm sure at this point they would realize how unprepared they were and would take precautions from this point on....lookouts, escape plan, fortification, etc..

It might be longer than a few days before they could go back but to any like the farm is a total loss is just ridiculous.

Id much rather go back to my house and an area I know like the back of my hands than to flee at random with no known destination. Even if my original location is somewhat risky.

3/19/2012 7:12:58 PM

so much bad.

3/19/2012 7:22:12 PM

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"or Free Market Montgomery. It's just like, it's just like, it's just like a mini. Mall."

lol

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"Speeding plot device to the rescue."

lol

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"Didn't the doc make all of them get tested before they were allowed in? He said they were fine and then all of the sudden he tells Rick everyone is infected."

at this point, it was seem that jenner was just as likely to be testing them for his own purposes. to see if anything had changed on the outside, if they really were all infected, if whatever it was had mutated or if one of them had somehow become immune and could be the basis of some anti-serum.

as others have said, i try not to get caught up in the little annoying details of the show. i've noticed that the grass was somehow still cut in the little subdivision, or that it becomes day or night randomly, or that hershel magically used the infinite ammo cheat - whatever, it is a zombie show. i know i'm willfully ignoring that stuff, i'm ok with it.

i think that a lot of the little bullshit in this episode is all trying to explain a transformation in rick. first he has to kill those guys in the bar. then he has to almost kill a prisoner and then kill shane. now the group is turning on him. hershel disagrees with him about splitting up. hershel's daughter and the asian kid want to keep moving. that lady is still just mad at rick for letting sophia die and says he isn't "honorable". lori is acting bitchy. etc etc. i think they are trying to show rick being driven to the brink so that he personality change - which i'm guessing will become more and more cold-blooded badass motherfuck - isn't just out of nowhere.

3/19/2012 9:29:13 PM

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"i think they are trying to show rick being driven to the brink so that he personality change - which i'm guessing will become more and more cold-blooded badass motherfuck - isn't just out of nowhere."

They are all ready doing a better job than Lucas did with Vader...lol

With the group complaining it reminds me of any type of group dynamics where they respond to their first huge fuck-up/challenge and things do not end well. How the group turns on each other or their leader, sometimes both.



As far as the farm being safe if it follows some of the comic I think some of them will go back to the farm.

3/19/2012 9:49:39 PM

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"But basic things like "not running out of gas" and "sleeping inside when that's an option" are concepts that most people should be on top of well before zombies were upon them. "

--El Nacho

Well on the first question, it doesn't seem like it is very easy to get gas in the apocalypse. Especially out in the middle of no-where Georgia where it looks like there are few gas stations in even normal times (assuming any are still even operational now). I guess they could have taken some gas from an abandoned car they passed. But they were no longer on the highway and I didn't see many cars littering the side of the road. Short of it is: I think it is definitely possible to run out of gas in this situation. This doesn't strike me as abnormal.

As far as sleeping inside, I didn't see any houses close by (again it looks like they are in the middle of no where), they couldn't all fit in the cars with gas according to Glenn, and it was obviously getting dark. So I'm not sure what their alternatives were. Sleep in the cars maybe? But if you get surrounded you're fucked with no escape route. So sleeping outside in that brick enclosure didn't seem like a bad idea to me.

3/19/2012 10:15:16 PM

Glen mazzara is answering questions on twitter right now, @glenmazzara
# walkingdeadchat

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM. Reason : Would help if I spelled his name correctly]

3/19/2012 10:15:58 PM

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"i think that a lot of the little bullshit in this episode is all trying to explain a transformation in rick.... show rick being driven to the brink so that he personality change - which i'm guessing will become more and more cold-blooded badass motherfuck - isn't just out of nowhere."

I think you're right. I would much rather the show not focus on Rick and instead focus on the group. The thing that makes Romero's zombie films so good is that there isn't a central character but the focus is on the zombies taking over. We're watching the story of this group unfold but we know there are many other stories out there.

That said I think the writing is decent. It has to somewhat adhere to the basics of the comic and it has to be original. And, let's face it people don't always do the most logical things. It's easy to say what someone should do but being in their situation it's not so easy.

It's not perfect but I like it, even with its flaws. Romero tried to get a TV series going several years ago but it never picked up any support. So it's just nice to have the show for at least one more season.

3/19/2012 10:19:28 PM

Lori's character annoys the fuck out of me. However, if I was pregnant during a zombie apocalypse and my son shot his zombie father figure after my husband killed him, I might be emotional as well. I would also be upset that I lost my nice comfy farm and veggies and cows.

I don't understand why the chained up zombies weren't trying to attack the hooded lady. Just because they don't have arms and a jaw, they suddenly don't want her flesh?

3/19/2012 10:32:33 PM

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"And yes, I also agree that there would be a learning curve, and duh.., I would definitely make mistakes, but there is just no learning occuring. Seriously, how long does it take a dumb bitch to figure out how not to run off on her own in one of the few working cars while pregnant and run into the only walker in the road... "

Klatypus,

Well, I think Lori freaked out there because of what Dale told her about Shane. So keeping in mind that she is rash and overly emotional, I could buy that she would run off to get Rick. Though I can't excuse her bad driving.

Otherwise, I do think they are learning. There were fortifications to the house (windows were boarded up at least). They just would not be adequate to stop a herd of walkers. Should they have fortified even more? Maybe. But they seemed to think the farm was special and protected from the zombies (which they said **several** times through out the season), I guess by the surrounding swamps. They were wrong, but they are learning from their mistake. One of the last things Rick said was that they need to find some place they can fortify and start a new life. So I don't know how you can say there is *no* learning going on.

Maybe people in this thread think they would figure things out a lot quicker. *shrug* I guess that is true (everyone here does go to NCSU after all), but I am willing to stretch my mind to imagine a world where people that don't frequent TWW might not catch on as quickly.

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM. Reason : ``]

3/19/2012 10:33:50 PM

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"They are all ready doing a better job than Lucas did with Vader...lol"

100% agree with this sentiment. I think Revenge of the Sith is a perfect example of how horribly a movie can go if you don't spend the time properly motivating your characters.

I'm not sure I would believe the show if everyone in the group started out as calculating, cold-blooded survival machines that went straight to the prison after fleeing the CDC.

And I think resisting that temptation to jump straight to post-apocalyptic bad-assery is a sign that the show actually is well written. From the show's perspective, it would be a lot easier to write heartless zombie-commandos than scared, flawed people. But I'm glad they're taking the time to do that. *shrug* That's just me.

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM. Reason : ``]

3/19/2012 10:40:34 PM

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" Furthermore, wasn't she one of the ones that agreed with the need to dispose of Randall? She supported Rick in sparing him, but she didn't think he was right. Shane was a direct threat to Rick and the group and yet she's ok with him? Didn't she run to town (and flip a car in the process) because she was worried about being left on the farm with Shane?"

Lololol

Lori might be developing or whatever but she's still portrayed as a stupid bitch. I hate how the women on this show are portrayed in general, but do get enjoyment from seeing the house bitches get all mad at Andrea who gets to go outside...or used to, at least.

I thought it was reasonable that the ground abandoned the farm. Its not easy to just go away for a few days and then make scouting trips when you have zero supplies, no base, and no idea where you are. The horde (which they have no idea the size of) could have just as easily decided to camp out in the farm just like they did in the town, the school, the pharmacy, and several other places they've showed. If not that, then you can imagine that whatever temporary "sniping base" they established could just as easily get overrun from the horde as it wandered away from the farm.

Besides, going out has been super risky for this group and they want to limit zombie contact as much possible. Overall they said that they didn't feel safe at the farm anymore. I'm okay with it as a plot device.

I did think that the truck running out of gas was stupid, as well as them not finding any place better to stop than where the truck finally ran out of fuel. Anyone older than 16 keeps an eye on their gas gauge and he should've honked his horn before he hit red...which he admitted to watching? Retarded. I also don't quite buy that they just never saw anything on the back roads. I've driven all over NC on the back roads and I doubt you can go an hour without seeing anything, be it a gas station or a simple house to take shelter in. Maybe Georgia isn't civilized or something.

Any who, just small stuff that is easy to overlook. I do enjoy how they're slowly transitioning the characters to the new apocalypse mentality. I'm interested to see how the little girl takes having her sister killed in her arms and what T-Dogg does with his newfound screen time

--

^^Herschel did say that the swamps were protecting the house but were drying up with the season change, so they knew that zombies could be coming. I think they did start to fortify the house by boarding up windows and seem to remember that they were fortifying fences at some point recently. They were putting up the lookout post on the wind vane. I think everything happened so fast with the Randall business and Shane going bonkers that they didn't have enough time to fortify the farm completely. They did have a plan or two in place for a human attack and I guess they thought they would spot a horde and go "run silent run deep", but fucking Carl ended up leading the zombies right to them.

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 11:08 PM. Reason : i hate carl more than lori]

3/19/2012 11:01:20 PM

damn, I hoped that more characters would get killed off. Carl, Lori, the old lady


acting is so bad

3/19/2012 11:05:49 PM

Carl is probably THE worst actor on American tv today

Please Hollywood, after The Walking Dead, forget Chandler Riggs ever existed

3/19/2012 11:25:34 PM

some tidbits from Producer/Head Writer Glen Mazzarra's tweets tonight:

• @glenmazzara: @Die_Kraft Let us get Michonne & the Governor up & running 1st.
• t-dog plays a major role in season 3
• @Mruiz_2k8: @glenmazzara Why didnt Rick turn into a Zombie in the hospital, Shane said he had no heart beat? response: @glenmazzara: @Mruiz_2k8 Why would you listen to Shane?
• @suzzap: Did maggie and herschel know Sophia was already in the barn when our guys were still searching? Thought I caught a glance.. response: @glenmazzara: @suzzap No, Otis put her in there just before he was killed
• 16 episodes in season 3
• @glennmazzara @glenmazzara: T-Dog is one of the smartest. He's kept his mouth shut. He sees how these people treat each other. #walkingdeadchat
• Season 3 starts shooting in May
• @glenmazarra @glenmazzara: We are building a prison.
• @MemnochZERO: Given his killing of Shane & his "Ricktatorship" meltdown at the end of 2x13 will we get a more ruthless Rick in season 3? #walkingdeadchat response: @glenmazzara: @MemnochZERO Yes & that's good if he's to take on the Governor.
• @mikey_Gee_42: Will Andrea continue to be a badass S3? She seems to have recieved universal praise from the finale. response: @glenmazzara: @mikey_Gee_42 Yeah, she's officially a badass.
• @walkercount: #walkingdeadchat Lori's baby needs to die before its born, turn into a zombie fetus, eat its way out. Kill her in most horrific/painful way! response: @glenmazzara: @CookieCumshott That's entertainment.
• @Mister_Franswa: @glenmazzara Any chance the Morales family from season one, could come back? response: @glenmazzara: @Mister_Franswa Maybe. I'd rather see Morgan & Duane 1st.
• @pfkhens: @glenmazzara Is the 3rd season going to move at a faster pace? Specifically, will we see Lori give birth? #walkingdeadchat response: @glenmazzara: @pfkhens S3 is the same pace as the past few eps. We are on the move!

I'll post some more tomorrow, if you guys really think the writing sucks start hitting them up on twitter w/ your opinions it could help shape how they do things on the show.

3/19/2012 11:42:02 PM

I think the only possible way I could hate Carl more is if he were a ginger.

3/19/2012 11:54:04 PM

i really was just hoping that they could color some peoples hair and be like "2 years later" and have a different actor for Carl

i wonder if they leave the keys to each car in them? it would make sense, or they just all happened to be close to and get to the ones they had.. and if they thought ahead that much, maybe they should have thought about having gas cans in each since they made trips into town?

[Edited on March 19, 2012 at 11:59 PM. Reason : lol @ cookiecumshott]

3/19/2012 11:56:38 PM

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"And I think resisting that temptation to jump straight to post-apocalyptic bad-assery is a sign that the show actually is well written."

That is one spot where they get credit for sure. I wouldn't like it as much if it were either to Romero-esque.. zombies just pretty much dominating, or if it was too Resident-evilish.. someone that you knew was never going to get killed just dominating zombies. I haven't read the comics, but I assume a lot of that credit goes to the source material though.

As much as i've knocked the writing of the show, I do think it got better during the second half of this season. That gives me confidence moving forward. Especially the fact that they killed off some main characters. I think that helps in a variety of ways moving forward. The potential is there. Fixing a few bigger "issues" that a lot of people think exist in the writing (which i think they can easily do now) will go a long way.

3/19/2012 11:57:24 PM

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"I don't understand how Kirkman can be an EP on the show and proceed to give the green light to these asshat writers who are ruining his comic."

Really it doesn't seem so bad for him. Based on this thread, people are going to watch the show no matter what. The worse the writing is, the more people will praise the comics for being better and the more people will buy those. So he's getting his cake and eating it too.

3/20/2012 4:17:37 AM

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"But they were no longer on the highway and I didn't see many cars littering the side of the road. Short of it is: I think it is definitely possible to run out of gas in this situation. This doesn't strike me as abnormal. "

The thing that bugged me the most was how Rick specifically mentioned that he knew he was almost out of gas for the last hour. At that point, you tell everyone in the group to be on the lookout for abandoned cars to get gas out of. I don't care how far from major cities you are trying to stay it is quite literally IMPOSSIBLE to travel in even the remotest of areas for a solid hour without passing, conservatively 1,000 cars. I refuse to believe that if gas had been a priority he couldn't have found some.

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"As far as sleeping inside, I didn't see any houses close by (again it looks like they are in the middle of no where), "

And that goes even more to my point. If Rick had known for the last hour that they were close to running out of gas why would you leave it up to chance to stop where ever you ran out of gas? There might be a few places out west in AZ or NV where you can travel for a while without running into a house, but I simply do not believe that you can go for 5 miles, even in the most desolate back woods, hick areas of GA without seeing a house. Or a shack. Or a barn, or an old store or something. People don't all live in the city. If there's a large area of land with nobody living there, someone will buy that land and build a house. I would be amazed if you could find even a five mile stretch of land in the entire state of GA that didn't have a house on it. Again, even if they had put a minuscule amount of effort into finding shelter, I know they could have done it. Anything would be better than sleeping outside. ANYTHING.

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"they couldn't all fit in the cars with gas according to Glenn, and it was obviously getting dark. So I'm not sure what their alternatives were. "

A) 8 people can fit into one SUV. I know it would be cramped, but it can happen if you need it to. B) Two trips to the nearest house would be just fine too. I know that the writers need to create drama, but it's just getting old that absolutely no one on the show has even a small amount of common sense.

3/20/2012 10:47:47 AM

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"A) 8 people can fit into one SUV. I know it would be cramped, but it can happen if you need it to. B) Two trips to the nearest house would be just fine too. I know that the writers need to create drama, but it's just getting old that absolutely no one on the show has even a small amount of common sense."

If it was the difference between sleeping out in the woods and sleeping in a house, I'm confident they could fit 8 people in that little car, too

3/20/2012 10:57:56 AM

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"@CookieCumshott"

3/20/2012 10:59:10 AM

Also, why did they abandon the blue truck? Was it out of gas too?

3/20/2012 11:04:50 AM

on one hand people are praising the characters for not being cold blooded zombie killers, but i don't think a single character missed zombie dome in the finale.

3/20/2012 12:22:47 PM

Andrea was dropping zombies with headshots while running and shooting over her shoulder, she may or may not have even been looking back

3/20/2012 12:31:09 PM

^,^^ which for me, falls under the category of completely absurd, but forgivable due to the nature of the show.

3/20/2012 2:35:17 PM

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"it is quite literally IMPOSSIBLE to travel in even the remotest of areas for a solid hour without passing, conservatively 1,000 cars"

*impossible*??? really?? Considering the flash backs indicate that many many people started heading to cities because they thought it would be safe, I think it is very possible (if not likely) that you would pass fewer cars on a back country road than normal. Maybe none at all.

Not to mention you're not going to pass many cars that magically broke down with a full tank of gas. I would expect most that most abandoned cars that still had fuel would be those whose owners got stuck in a traffic jam and killed by a wave of zombies (kinda like what almost happened to Shane and Lori outside Atlanta). And I wouldn't expect there to be too many traffic jams in their neck of the woods.

Anyways, I see no problem here.

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"Again, even if they had put a minuscule amount of effort into finding shelter, I know they could have done it"

You're still assuming that being indoors is the best strategy. Like I said before, that isn't obvious. First, if you go looking for abandoned residential areas, you're increasing the odds you will run into walkers. What residents didn't escape, got zombified and they might still be around. Remember when Shane and Andrea visited that suburb?

But ignoring that problem, being inside cuts off escape routes. Again, remember the house Shane and Andrea visited? They came across the bodies of a family that got trapped in their own home. Maybe they would get lucky and find a safe house without many zombie around. But, then again, maybe they wouldn't.

Now, I'm not saying that camping out isn't without risks. But you're acting like staying in a strange house in a strange neighborhood is the obvious choice over setting up camp (never mind that the group survived for weeks doing exactly that before Rick showed up). It just ain't so, bro.

But let's take a step back for a second. Is this really where you want to stake your claim that the show's writing is terrible???????? Because you are 100% positive that camping out is worse than wasting gas looking for houses that might not be safe to begin with????? Because you are 100% positive there would be 1,000s of abandoned cars littering the back road of Georgia they happen to be on!?!?!?!!?

I think if these are your biggest complaints against the show, then the writers are doing just fine.

[Edited on March 20, 2012 at 3:39 PM. Reason : ``]

3/20/2012 3:26:09 PM

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"on one hand people are praising the characters for not being cold blooded zombie killers, but i don't think a single character missed zombie dome in the finale."

Yah, I get really frustrated when the director doesn't spend screen time showing all the shots they miss.

3/20/2012 3:46:17 PM

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"I think the only possible way I could hate Carl more is if he were a ginger."

3/20/2012 3:53:45 PM