Word on the street is that sources say the rumor is that they are hearing from unidentified higher-ups close to the situation that it's likely that by as early as the end of this week, possibly as late as the end of August, Debbie Yow will announce a series of coaching hires that will shake the College sports world. When I asked if that meant Sean Miller as our new BB coach and Bill Cower as our FB coach-in-waiting, I didn't receive a worded response, but rather a smile. Where there's smoke....

3/22/2011 5:06:40 PM

yes, we are firing our football coach after a 9 win season right before spring practice.

3/22/2011 5:08:46 PM

I have no idea why P&B responded seriously to that post.

3/22/2011 5:09:30 PM

Quote :

"I think the Barnes hire would be better for State in every aspect except for maybe coaching ability"

short term memory much?

3/22/2011 5:10:53 PM

all these names being thrown around are just a smoke screen. our real coach is going to be:





[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 5:13 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2011 5:11:06 PM

I tried to use every single bullshit journalism cliche i could think of for when they don't have anything concrete to write about, but apparently I wasn't obvious enough. that makes me sad.

3/22/2011 5:11:10 PM

I still can't believe we just compared the coaching ability Barnes to Shaka Smart


One coach has his team top 5 in the country in Defense.


The other is 9th in his crappy conference.


Awesome.



[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 5:14 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2011 5:13:18 PM

what's the opposite of BOAST BOAST BOAST?




because you sad anti-anyone fuckers are bumpin that shit from the trunk right now




beggars cant be choosers, and if we get a Top 5 this season, 16 straight NCAA appearance coach right now after 20+ years of scraping the bottom of the fucking ACC barrel, we have pulled off the coup of the fucking millennium and you all need to stfu and know your fucking place. Yes Miller is on the upswing, but Barnes is consistently good.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 5:15 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2011 5:13:38 PM

If we did get Barnes, would any of these cats be in play?

PF 29 Kevin Thomas
(Christian Faith Center Academy)
Creedmoor, NC 6-7/190 03/10/2011
Texas
PG 2 Myck Kabongo
(Findlay Prep)
Henderson, NV 6-2/170 11/04/2010
Texas
PF 14 Jonathan Holmes
(Antonian College Preparatory H)
San Antonio, TX 6-8/220 10/01/2010
Texas
SG 22 Julien Lewis
(La Marque HS)
La Marque, TX 6-4/185 06/22/2009
Texas
SG 12 Sheldon McClellan
(Bellaire HS)
Bellaire, TX 6-5/175 05/04/2009
Texas

3/22/2011 5:14:34 PM

No one is going to kick Barnes out of bed, there are just better options available that are at least somewhat plausible.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 5:15 PM. Reason : Not Shaka Smart, though. Fuck Shaka Smart.]

3/22/2011 5:15:15 PM

^ can't help but think the dude from Creedmor would come with

3/22/2011 5:15:30 PM

i dont expect jack shit by Wednesday considering some of the coaching candidates that are in the Sweet 16

3/22/2011 5:16:08 PM

Maybe we can hire K and then we'll get Austin Rivers

3/22/2011 5:17:25 PM

^^^^Ernie

I think that's Yows dilemma.

Do you go ahead and take Barnes before he changes his mind or do you wait on some of the guys currently in the tourney.

We've been having this argument. If you wait, miss out on Barnes...get turned down by Miller (who you were waiting on) and ended up with a mid-major it would be a pretty crappy scenario.

Glad I'm not Yow


[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2011 5:17:47 PM

If Barnes says yes tomorrow, you take Barnes. No question.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 5:19 PM. Reason : Barnes isn't saying yes tomorrow]

3/22/2011 5:18:53 PM

Quote :

"Shaka Smart...at this point... is nothing more than a hot mid major. Those come by every year and 9-of-10 get thier tails handed to them in the big leagues"

Considering that the overwhelming majority of coaching hires come from mid-majors, I think you are very incorrect with the "9-of-10" figure...unless you're saying 90% of coaches are consistently getting their asses handed to them.

And it's almost a moot point to argue Smart's coaching ability because he has barely coached long enough to form an opinion. It's more of an opinion on not thinking that Barnes is that great of a coach. However...he is a great recruiter, which can overcome mediocre coaching...but also leaves your team with an empty trophy case while having many All-Americans.

I also like Grant better than Smart. It can be said that Smart is winning with Grant's players right now (starts are mostly juniors and seniors).

I'll repeat that I think there's no way in hell we could turn down Barnes...but I would take Miller over Barnes and I wouldn't be disappointed if we didn't get Barnes and got someone like Grant.

3/22/2011 5:20:08 PM

still didnt get an answer to my "opposite of BOAST BOAST BOAST" question, though



is it "DEPRECATE DEPRECATE DEPRECATE" ?

3/22/2011 5:21:06 PM

Quote :

"Considering that the overwhelming majority of coaching hires come from mid-majors, I think you are very incorrect with the "9-of-10" figure...unless you're saying 90% of coaches are consistently getting their asses handed to them. "

I'm saying that 9-of-10 of the mid majors that get high major jobs get canned within 7-8 years....especially at places like NC State. (Obviously a made up statistic to make a point)


For every Sean Miller, there are Pete Gillens, Todd Lickliters, Paul Hewitt's, etc etc etc etc etc.

I like Grant (thus far) too, but he's not worth the money it would take to get him.

As far as Barnes coaching ability.... I'll agree he's not the best in game coach. However, in 13 years at Texas, he has finished the season ranked in the top 10 5 times. He's finished in the top 25 in 11 of 13 seasons. Seriously Pack fans, we've finished 10th in the ACC for the past 5 years

Just think about that for a second. He's finished in the top 25 11 times in 13 seasons. Top 10 in 5 of those

We may not win a title, but dangit if we won't actually be fun to watch and will be a nationally relevant program



...and I'm not singling you out jlbrick...just saying. I'd do cartwheels for Barnes. I'd rather have Miller, for sure though



[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 5:32 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2011 5:27:08 PM

On Packbacker's point of mid-major hires getting canned:

Wikipedia has lists of coaching changes, the oldest I can find is from the 2002-03 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_season#Coaching_changes)

Here are the guys who went from non-BCS jobs to BCS jobs

Clemson - Oliver Purnell (Dayton), quit
Georgia - Dennis Felton (assistant), fired
Illinois - Bruce Weber (Southern Illinois)
Iowa State - Larry Eustachy (Utah State), quit
Penn State - Jerry Dunn (assistant), fired?
Pitt - Jamie Dixon (assistant)
VT - Seth Greenberg (Long Beach State), eh

Seven coaches, two success stories. Not an exhaustive study, but it does say something. All told, though, I don't have a problem with Yow hiring a mid-major guy if he's the right guy.

3/22/2011 5:41:19 PM

Quote :

"I'm not the one openly advocating trading sanctions for one lame Final Four or something."

i said i wanted a jim calhoun, or a norm sloan. both are known cheaters and both won national titles. i know you know that i said this, b/c you went through the trouble of quoting it. so i guess i'm not the one doing that either. moron.

3/22/2011 5:47:34 PM

Kornheiser just said we should hire Pearl

3/22/2011 5:52:20 PM

I don't understand the obsession with Barnes. I'd take him, absolutely, but why on earth would he leave Texas to come to a place that he turned down 5 years ago? In that time frame, his job has gotten better, and ours has gotten worse.

3/22/2011 6:03:08 PM

Kornholer and the rest of the ESPN establishment can eat a cock


No way Pearl doesn't get blackballed by the NCAA

3/22/2011 6:03:29 PM

^^ not working for a dickhole like Fowler makes the job better. maybe not better than Texas, but better than it was

3/22/2011 6:09:22 PM

Quote :

"If Barnes says yes tomorrow, you take Barnes. No question. "

3/22/2011 6:13:41 PM

Quote :

"In that time frame, his job has gotten better, and ours has gotten worse."

the salary has increased and the expectations have decreased. how has it gotten worse?

3/22/2011 6:23:35 PM

If we're just talking salary, then I could see your point. But if Barnes' ultimate goal is Final Fours and NCAA championships, he's better off in Austin.



I honestly see no reason why he would want to leave. He's already built the foundation for a long and storied career at Texas.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 6:31 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2011 6:25:15 PM

^^the talent has increased

His wife is getting treatment at Duke as far as the eye can see



[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 6:25 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2011 6:25:39 PM

I have "heard" that Barnes wanted the job last time and even called a former player to have him get the info to Fowler, which he did. After not hearing anything back for a week Barnes called said person to verify he did pass along the information and was told yes. When fowler got around to calling barnes after whiffing on others barnes basically said fuck you I'm not some no name coach desperate for your job. No idea how much truth there is to it but sounds plausible and who I heard it from wouldn't have any real reason to lie about it.

3/22/2011 6:28:41 PM

you forgot "FWIW"

3/22/2011 6:29:20 PM

Pretty sure Barnes was the first guy we offered.

Allegedly, we offered him about 15% below what he made at Texas, though

3/22/2011 6:29:54 PM

Get Pearl.

3/22/2011 6:31:53 PM

Quote :

"I have "heard" that Barnes wanted the job last time and even called a former player to have him get the info to Fowler, which he did. After not hearing anything back for a week Barnes called said person to verify he did pass along the information and was told yes. When fowler got around to calling barnes after whiffing on others barnes basically said fuck you I'm not some no name coach desperate for your job. No idea how much truth there is to it but sounds plausible and who I heard it from wouldn't have any real reason to lie about it."

I always assumed/though RB was the first person we offered...however, I wouldn't put this past Lee Fowler.

3/22/2011 6:40:14 PM

Quote :

"If we're just talking salary, then I could see your point. But if Barnes' ultimate goal is Final Fours and NCAA championships, he's better off in Austin."

i was just addressing the statement that our job has gotten worse. it has gotten markedly better.

3/22/2011 6:47:15 PM

Quote :

"His wife is getting treatment at Duke as far as the eye can see "

what?

3/22/2011 6:53:59 PM

^^What metric are you using? We were a team with 5 straight NCAA appearances. Our team has regressed on the court. The rebuilding job will be much more difficult now than it was 5 years ago. 5 years ago we were a team that needed to get over the hump, but now we're starting over.

I mean, I know you can say that we have more talent in the cupboard than 5 years ago, and I won't disagree with that. But as far as on the court success goes, we're certainly worse than we were 5 years ago. We were just two years removed from a Sweet 16 appearance when we lost Herb. We didn't even make the NIT this year. As far as name recognition, program momentum, and consistency are concerned, we've gotten worse. So the challenge of building this program back up will be harder. I'm not saying the pieces aren't in place for the right coach to come along and make a splash, but it's hard for me to believe that we're closer to turning that corner than we were 5 years ago.

3/22/2011 7:01:29 PM

does anyone have access to the longhorn boards? I'm interested in their general feelings about this.

3/22/2011 7:10:07 PM

Some of you guys don't seem to grasp how badly Fowler botched the last coaching search

3/22/2011 7:10:52 PM

^^they are scoffing at the idea, just like half of our own damn "fan" base. no surprises

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 7:11 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 7:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2011 7:11:20 PM

^^^^ i think we're in better shape than we were when herb left if some of sid's recruits stay

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 7:12 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2011 7:11:46 PM

i'm sure its similar to the florida page that i saw about donovan to nc state. its pretty much 5 pages of "that is just an absurd notion!"

http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=188202

3/22/2011 7:16:14 PM

^UF fans.....so humble

3/22/2011 7:31:40 PM

barnes and miller are long shots sure, but donovan?

LOL

3/22/2011 7:39:37 PM

HAHAHAHAH I would have Donovan a MUCH bigger longshot than Barnes and Miller. It would blow my mind if he left Florida. What a stupid rumor.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 7:53 PM. Reason : d]

3/22/2011 7:51:26 PM

I would cry tears of joy

3/22/2011 7:53:42 PM

we are actually going to have co-head coaches.

barnes, miller and donovan.

3/22/2011 7:56:23 PM

^ NOW STATE'S IN BUSINESS!

3/22/2011 8:04:17 PM

^^ ha. I was just about to post the same thing.

3/22/2011 8:21:06 PM

Quote :

"I would have Donovan a MUCH bigger longshot than Barnes and Miller"

I dunno, I mean if Donovan came to the ACC it would clearly be a much bigger conference upgrade than if Barnes or Miller came to the ACC

3/22/2011 8:22:35 PM

still, dude's the only guy since K to win back-to-back ships

3/22/2011 8:24:23 PM