Playmaker's, Monday night:

Myself and other guy are last two standing, just started heads up play. We have about even chip stacks, trade blinds for a couple hands...

Then I am on the BB, with about another BB more in chips than him...I hadn't even had a chance to look at my cards when he pushes all in....i look and it turns out i'm sittin on KK, so I call without hesitation and am feelin pretty good about winning the tourney. He flips over QA off, and I think I better not see a fucking ace....well flop and turn are useless (although he pairs a queen) but guess whats on the fucking river? ACE. i subsequently died on the next hand

is there something I missed? or is that about the only way anyone would have played it? it just sucked because i had been chip leader almost all night and then had it snatched away at the last minute like that. oh well its not like we were playing for cash

8/27/2005 10:03:57 AM

I would have folded

8/27/2005 7:52:32 PM

you're never gonna be able to get away from KK heads up

8/27/2005 9:16:16 PM

KK heads up at the end of the tourney? no way I fold that shit

8/27/2005 11:04:04 PM

yeah you did the right thing, just bad luck

8/28/2005 12:03:28 AM

Gotta love it... 2 MT tourney busts in 3 minutes

AJ suited runs into AA, when I was way shortstacked and had to go preflop.

Flop Axx
Turn J
River J

Ouch...

Then I get KdQd and call a small PF raise on the 5th hand of a new game...
Flop 3 3 Q He bets, I call
Turn 3 He bets, I push. He calls instantly With AJ off
River 3

I could handle the A, but the 3 is just cruel.

8/28/2005 1:53:16 AM

100 person MTT, R&A allowed, but beyond R&A time period.

JdTd on the button, blinds 100/200, in 5th place with 9000 chips, ~45 remain, top 10 get paid.

UTG has about 2500 chips, MP has about 7000


UTG makes it 400, MP calls, I call, both blinds fold.

1500 in the pot.

flop comes KdQdJh.

UTG checks, MP bets 1500 chips.

what do you do?

btw, it was a $5 tournament, i playing while fucking around on the internet.. i wasnt too interested in just barely making the money, i wanted a top 3. at that time, the current chip lead was ~11k chips, and this pot would help the cause termendously.

what is your play?

8/28/2005 10:48:47 AM

just call. by placing the 1500 chip bet out there I would bet that MP will call a large reraise and your implied odds of winning his stack if you hit your flush or straight allow you to call.

8/28/2005 10:54:49 AM

all in, you are prolly beat at that point, but still a favorite to almost any hand.

get them to fold or all in.

8/28/2005 11:23:00 AM

it being online,

i fold that shit


its likely that MP has KQ,QJ,AJ, and though he could very well have A 10, trying to spike an A or 9 isnt worth it at that time in the tourney for about 17% of your chips, not to mention if one of your possibly 10 outs (im giving trip Js as a winner) doesnt come on the turn, and he bets about 3500, what do you do then?

8/28/2005 12:45:20 PM

Quote :

"its likely that MP has KQ,QJ,AJ, and though he could very well have A 10, trying to spike an A or 9 isnt worth it at that time in the tourney for about 17% of your chips, not to mention if one of your possibly 10 outs (im giving trip Js as a winner) doesnt come on the turn, and he bets about 3500, what do you do then?"

i dont think you are seeing the flush either..

heres my thinking.

outs:

monster nut outs (with redraw protection): Ad, 9d
nut straight outs: As, Ac, Ah
non-nut straight outs: 9s, 9c, 9h
2nd nut flush draw outs: 2d, 3d, 4d, 5d, 6d, 7d, 8d
maybe good trips outs: Js, Jc, Jh

total outs : 2+3+3+7+3-(1+1) [discounts for flush and trip outs] = 16.

16 i would be comfortable hitting.

probable hands up against.

Impossible for him to have flopped nut straight and nut flush draw. I have the Td.
nut straight. (keep in mind i have one of the 4 tens)
set.
two pair.
TPTK (maybe with the Ad)
AdXd (most unlikely)

I like my redraws against most of these hands, and the pot is already pretty large.

Lets look at some odds:

from Boobs post, KQ, QJ, AJ, AT

Result
pokenum -h jd td - kh qh -- kd qd jh
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Qd Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jd Td 522 52.73 452 45.66 16 1.62 0.535
Kh Qh 452 45.66 522 52.73 16 1.62 0.465

Result
pokenum -h jd td - js qh -- kd qd jh
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Qd Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jd Td 501 50.61 468 47.27 21 2.12 0.517
Js Qh 468 47.27 501 50.61 21 2.12 0.483

Result
pokenum -h jd td - js ah -- kd qd jh
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Qd Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jd Td 513 51.82 459 46.36 18 1.82 0.527
Js Ah 459 46.36 513 51.82 18 1.82 0.473

(Ad, Jx)
Result
pokenum -h jd td - js ad -- kd qd jh
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Qd Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jd Td 486 49.09 483 48.79 21 2.12 0.502
Js Ad 483 48.79 486 49.09 21 2.12 0.498

and the flopped nuts, with Ax, non diamonds.

Result
pokenum -h jd td - ts as -- kd qd jh
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Qd Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jd Td 384 38.79 537 54.24 69 6.97 0.423
As Ts 537 54.24 384 38.79 69 6.97 0.577

and worst of all, flopped nuts with Ad

Result
pokenum -h jd td - ts ad -- kd qd jh
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Qd Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jd Td 327 33.03 558 56.36 105 10.61 0.383
Ts Ad 558 56.36 327 33.03 105 10.61 0.617

One more, vs flopped top set.

Result
pokenum -h jd td - kh ks -- kd qd jh
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Qd Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jd Td 433 43.74 539 54.44 18 1.82 0.446
Ks Kh 539 54.44 433 43.74 18 1.82 0.554


So, should i like my position here? I do.

remember that in tournaments, your number one priority is to accumulate as many chips as possible as fast as possible. Youve got to win a few coin flips in order to win money. I think that it was most likely to be a coinflip due to the hand action, instead of the AdTx, why wouldnt he let me bet into him with that strong of hand.

What is the chance that If i push all in, hell fold his hand?

Halo mentioned above that He is committing himself to push it all in by making such a bet.

i disagree. thats the logical thing to think, but how often do you see the logical play made online..... maybe 70% of the time?

So there is indeed a decent chance he'd laydown to a large raise.

In conclusion, i figured that the amount in the pot already made up for the potential loss in ev. I also did NOT want to have to make a decision on the turn if i missed.

I raised all in, and he calls.

He shows AhKh. exactly what i want.

Result
pokenum -h jd td - ah kh -- kd qd jh
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Qd Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jd Td 555 56.06 429 43.33 6 0.61 0.564
Ah Kh 429 43.33 555 56.06 6 0.61 0.436

8/28/2005 1:13:59 PM

o shit i misread it i didnt see u had 2 diamonds, i was thinking u had offsuit for some reason

shit if u have Jd 10d

and the flop is KdQdJ, definately u go over the top of him all in




[Edited on August 28, 2005 at 1:21 PM. Reason : .]

8/28/2005 1:19:57 PM

so did you win the hand or not?

I woulda pushed in a tourney too

8/28/2005 10:58:17 PM

I asked this question a while ago and didn't get too many responses, so i'll try again

what are your favorite online poker playing programs?

8/28/2005 11:27:31 PM

Quote :

"jackleg512: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to jackleg512 [2s 5s] Swansea2: folds JuicedFrank: calls 400 lostandbroke: folds magyar1: calls 400 bigdak: folds jackleg512: checks *** FLOP *** [5c As 3h] jackleg512: bets 400 JuicedFrank: calls 400 magyar1: folds *** TURN *** [5c As 3h] [6d] jackleg512: bets 400 JuicedFrank: raises 400 to 800 jackleg512: raises 6150 to 6950 and is all-in JuicedFrank: calls 6150 *** RIVER *** [5c As 3h 6d] [Js] *** SHOW DOWN *** jackleg512: shows [2s 5s] (a pair of Fives) JuicedFrank: shows [9c 4s] (high card Ace) jackleg512 collected 16250 from pot"

hahaha holy shit im fucked up i guess, for some reason thought i flopped a straight! thank god he was on a draw

8/28/2005 11:51:06 PM

Quote :

"so did you win the hand or not? I woulda pushed in a tourney too "

Now that doesnt really matter does it??

It doesnt matter on the issue of if it was the correct play or not, no?









but to answer the question....

[no]

8/29/2005 1:54:06 AM

Quote :

"I asked this question a while ago and didn't get too many responses, so i'll try again what are your favorite online poker playing programs?"

$50-100 buy in nl, pokerroom networks.
3/6->10/20 6-max limit HE - party poker networks
PLO8 -> party poker networks
2/4 -> 5/10 LOH8 - ultimate bet
.50/1 -> 2/4 LOH8 - absolute poker
>5/10 LOH8, 6-max LHE -> pacific poker
pineapple - paradise
Razz - full tilt

tournaments: bodog usually has overlays.
SNG's: party
HU SNG's: ultimate bet.
7CS tournaments on absolute are ripe.



and for the record.......


fuck empire poker. the other party skins, woo woo.

(Terminated my account, despite the fact i had paid probably close to 1k in rake in a few short months, was a "VIP," attended the VIP dinner/poker seminar in Atlantic City, they just didnt like the fact that I consistantly max-bonused)

8/29/2005 2:04:22 AM

Playing a $30+3 NL on Partypoker, got some help in a few spots but overall played great. A few bad moves balanced some great ones. Five spots from cashing (last spot still payed $200), and then this shit happens:

Midde position player raises to 2.5 BBs. I call with A-10 suited, Big stack calls, Big blind calls.

Flop: 10, 5, 3 rainbow. I bet 2 BBs, only the Big stack calls.

Turn: Ace (two clubs), I bet 4 BBs, he calls again.

River: Jack of diamonds. I raise and he doubles the bet to put me all-in.

I'd like to say I was slow-played on a set, or even rivered by JJ, but no the douche had KING QUEEN, albeit of clubs. Motherfucker sat there with less than a draw and called on the flop. I shoulda bet his ass out on the turn, but still this fucking blows....

8/29/2005 4:11:41 AM

So you bet 1/5th of the pot with top-pair-top-kicker on the flop. Online players will call you with overs when you bet like that, hell they may even have odds to do so.

If you want to win the pot, bet the pot. If you want to pussyfoot around, live with the consequences.

8/29/2005 7:34:50 AM

^^ 5 spots from cashing, or in other words, only two people had been knocked out.... (unless of course, it was like a 3 table sng

the blinds will still be low enough that a 2 bb bet on the flop means nothing

[Edited on August 29, 2005 at 7:50 AM. Reason : e ]

8/29/2005 7:50:22 AM

if last spot was cashing 200 it would have to be a multi

for 30 buy-in of course

[Edited on August 29, 2005 at 11:38 AM. Reason : lkjs]

8/29/2005 11:37:44 AM

Oh

sweet

Jesus I refuse

to recap/recall that shit.

8/29/2005 2:45:07 PM

Dealt to Bubdabutcher [ Ad Ac ]
Bubdabutcher raises [100].
captmarko is all-In [205]
loufeili calls [205].
Bubdabutcher calls [105].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 4c, Ah ]
Bubdabutcher checks.
loufeili bets [660].

Bubdabutcher is all-In [1155]
loufeili is all-In [105]

** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
loufeili shows [ Kc, As ] two pairs, aces and fours.
Bubdabutcher shows [ Ad, Ac ] a full house, Aces full of fours.
captmarko shows [ 8d, 8s ] two pairs, eights and fours.

Bubdabutcher wins 390 chips from side pot #2 with a full house, Aces full of fours.
Bubdabutcher wins 1530 chips from side pot #1 with a full house, Aces full of fours.
Bubdabutcher wins 660 chips from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of fours.

captmarko finished in ninth place.
loufeili finished in eighth place.

8/29/2005 6:49:28 PM

came in 1220th in a partypoker tournament. i was shortstacked, went all in with 99, guy called with KK. needless to say, i lost

[Edited on August 29, 2005 at 9:18 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2005 9:17:42 PM

the 250.00 players club free roll?

i placed 61st

8/29/2005 9:20:21 PM

now i'm in a limit tourney (didn't know it was limit when i signed up), and doing much better. up 1200 chips and survived the first break

8/29/2005 10:33:20 PM

Okay so I just saw Karim Phil LOLlins win 11 heads up SNG's in a row on Ultimate Bet.

I have never been so impressed. This shit is crazy.

8/30/2005 11:30:56 PM

Any thoughts about what I should do here. Just sat down and have no idea on the types of players or betting styles.

PokerStars Game #2461146370: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/08/30 -
20:31:06 (ET)
Table 'Seinajoki' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: GmaV ($76.75 in chips)
Seat 2: CallMeKrazy ($78.80 in chips)
Seat 3: mgb101 ($60.85 in chips)
Seat 5: villines31 ($6.70 in chips)
Seat 6: cwisuth ($50 in chips)
Seat 8: modman0 ($22.85 in chips)
Seat 9: teamhonda1 ($48.75 in chips)
teamhonda1: posts small blind $0.25
GmaV: posts big blind $0.50
cwisuth: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cwisuth [Kd Kh]
CallMeKrazy: folds
Wait4_300 joins the table at seat #4
mgb101: folds
villines31: folds
cwisuth: raises $1.50 to $2
modman0: folds
teamhonda1: raises $46.75 to $48.75 and is all-in
GmaV: folds
keemokeems joins the table at seat #7
keemokeems leaves the table

8/30/2005 11:31:23 PM

Um... call?

8/30/2005 11:38:06 PM

lol now that totally depends if 50 bucks is a lot of money to u or not

if it isnt call

if it kinda isnt call

if it kinda is call

if it is a ton of money to u then u fold

but u arent supposed to play past your comfortable limit, so u have to call

8/30/2005 11:56:55 PM

[Edited on August 31, 2005 at 12:08 AM. Reason : damn, didn't read all of the post]

8/31/2005 12:04:25 AM

i thought thats what i said

8/31/2005 12:07:50 AM

garnering interest in a bracket style heads up tournament.....

maybe this weekend.

8/31/2005 1:58:52 PM

i played in a heads up tourney two weekends ago ... there were like, 24 of us i think.
finished second. typically, i think i suck heads up ... but it all worked out.
dependant upon time and location, i might be interested. i could use the pratice.

8/31/2005 2:36:10 PM

howd you work out 24 entrants? play ins to a 4 flight 16 bracket (a la ncaa)

8/31/2005 2:53:31 PM

do people around here still play tournaments a lot? i know most of that game broke up, but i wouldn't minda $20 - $40 buyin withabout 15-25 heads 3 times a week or so...anything like this going on?

8/31/2005 3:13:47 PM

^^ exactly

8/31/2005 3:53:56 PM

As a reply to a few posts above, you should never gamble with money you can't afford to lose. I have talked with and played with quite a few people with gambling addictions, and that is the plain and simple truth. I don't care if it's $5, if you can't afford to throw it out the window, then don't play.

That being said, if you're thinking about laying down KK in that situation, you're making the wrong move. I am not implying that it's not feasible that the guy has AA, but if he does, he's playing them like a total asshat, and you'll probably make your money back from him soon after anyway. People just don't (or shouldn't) play AA like that.

And on another topic, I have started playing some pot-limit games. I like them a whole lot more than no-limit, because I absolutely detest pushing my stack all-in preflop. It's working out well thus far. I'll keep you all posted as I'm sure you're all on the edge of your seats.

8/31/2005 4:37:43 PM

yeah i've played a few limit tables, and i kinda like them now too after not so much at first. i tend to last longer

8/31/2005 4:46:52 PM

^^ a new deciple..


i rarely, if ever play nl over pl.

only on sites where the pl is dead =/

8/31/2005 4:50:31 PM

The table was pretty unpredictable.
I usually have a hard time laying down AX suited in a blind...but to a raise and reraise, I figured my ace was too weak and I'd be drawing to the flush.
It hurt to see the flop.
Was it the correct lay down?


Stage #184272735: Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $50 [2005-08-31 16:30:05 ]
*** ANTE [dealer 1] ***
Seat 2 - KHAOS1000 $10145 in chips
Seat 3 - ME $5640 in chips
Seat 4 - KWANGSPANG5 $3655 in chips
Seat 5 - JOHNNYBENCH7 $6535 in chips
Seat 6 - BIGBJORN $4495 in chips
Seat 7 - GATORGUY $1870 in chips
Seat 8 - THEDOCOHIO $5200 in chips
Seat 1 - ZACKATTACK I $4785 in chips
KHAOS1000 - Post small blind $50
ME - Post big blind $100
ME- Pocket [As,5s]
KWANGSPANG5 - Folds
JOHNNYBENCH7 - Raises $100 to $300
BIGBJORN - Calls $300
GATORGUY - Raises $300 to $600
THEDOCOHIO - Folds
ZACKATTACK I - Folds
KHAOS1000 - Folds
ME- Folds
JOHNNYBENCH7 - Calls $300
BIGBJORN - Calls $300
*** FLOP [5h,5d,Ah] ***
JOHNNYBENCH7 - Checks
BIGBJORN - Checks
GATORGUY - All-In $1270
JOHNNYBENCH7 - Folds
BIGBJORN - Calls $1270
*** TURN [5h,5d,Ah,2c] ***
*** RIVER [5h,5d,Ah,2c,10d] ***
BIGBJORN - Show cards [7h,8h]
GATORGUY - Show cards [Qs,Qh]
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($4490)
Board [5h,5d,Ah,2c,10d]
ZACKATTACK I - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
KHAOS1000 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
ME- Folded on the POCKET CARDS
KWANGSPANG5 - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
JOHNNYBENCH7 - Folded on the FLOP
BIGBJORN - HI:One pair, fives [7h,8h - B:5h,B:5d,B:Ah,B:10d,P:8h]
GATORGUY - Total ($4490) All-In HI$4490)Two pair, queens and fives
[Qs,Qh - P:Qs,P:Qh,B:5h,B:5d,B:Ah]
THEDOCOHIO - Folded on the POCKET CARDS

8/31/2005 5:08:28 PM

absolutely.

single outcomes have no effect on this decision. everything past the utg+1 raise, with a reraise, you must layd down A5 suited.

every time.

btw, what site was this from?

and the line for the initial raise doesnt look like it should....

"JOHNNYBENCH7 - Raises $100 to $300"

shouldnt that say raises $200 to $300?

[Edited on August 31, 2005 at 5:29 PM. Reason : e]

[Edited on August 31, 2005 at 5:30 PM. Reason : e]

8/31/2005 5:28:20 PM

It's also very possible with a reraise someone is on AA, and they have you destroyed, even after that flop.

I'm not saying always assume someone has AA, but never rule it out.

8/31/2005 5:30:29 PM

from absolute poker.
...that's what it looks like in the email. i dunno.
i did take a space out in the description line so that it all fit to one line...but that's the only change i made....oh and i changed my name to protect the ignorant.

^yeah i considered that.

[Edited on August 31, 2005 at 5:33 PM. Reason : .]

8/31/2005 5:32:20 PM

you dont want to commit like 10% of your stack in a situation where you are likely statistically dominated.

maybe earlier in the tournament, but not now. not the stack %, but more the raise in relation to the blind size. the higher the blinds and raises get, the better your hand needs to be to call said raises.

ladder theory.


i really need to work on my mtt strat

[Edited on August 31, 2005 at 5:36 PM. Reason : dfadf]

8/31/2005 5:35:27 PM

They mean...

Quote :

""JOHNNYBENCH7 - Raises $100 to $300" "

.... That he raises the $100 (big blind) TO $300.

8/31/2005 5:43:21 PM

^^ ladder theory? I've not heard this (tho I can figure out what it kinda means) do you have a good book recomendation on tourney play? I've got some amazon cash to blow.

8/31/2005 6:24:14 PM

Quote :

"garnering interest in a bracket style heads up tournament..... maybe this weekend"

ben lemme know how many u want to have and the stakes, depending on both i could get a lot of people

8/31/2005 6:40:53 PM

I could probably get a couple folks to play in a tourney as well. Heads up or standard MT... just give me some notice

8/31/2005 6:53:14 PM

yeah, the thought of him having aces flashed in my head for a second, then i called. he ended up having them. just wanted to know what anyone else would have laid them down. the hand was about half my money on pokerstars but nowhere near the total amount that i have in ub and fulltilt.

after the hand, the guy asked me why in the world i would call that. i asked him why he would want to go all in preflop and he said b/c he didnt want a call, since aces are only one pair, he doesnt like to see a flop with them. haha, oh well, got most of it back when he went chasing his gutshot against my set.

8/31/2005 7:32:21 PM