breaking news: State, Duke, UNC, and Wake to the Big XII, which will reestablish itself under the old Southwestern Conference name

11/19/2012 4:59:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b3mftcV0dY

11/19/2012 5:00:04 PM

I'm gonna miss Maryland bitching about the big 4.

Otherwise who cares. Please do let the door hit you on the way out.

11/19/2012 5:21:46 PM

Quote :

" "?@JFowlerCBS ACC in talks with UConn, Louisville, South Florida and Cincinnati about 14th team to replace Maryland, source told @CBSSports. @JFowlerCBS ACC could move quickly, I'm told. UConn and Louisville are considered clubhouse leaders among the four, per source." "

So, theoretically lets say the ACC adds 3 to get to 16 full members. UConn, Louisville and Cincy. That's the final death toll for the Big East and football. They would only have Temple and USF as football members from the current Big East. I'm sure all the new members would be able to get out of their contracts as there would be no point to joining a conference with 2 football teams.

11/19/2012 5:56:18 PM

if the ACC doesn't make the $50M buyout stick, we're fucked

11/19/2012 6:19:21 PM

^

11/19/2012 6:42:47 PM

regardless of your personal feelings towards maryland, that the acc now officially holds can-be-raided status is bad news guys.

[Edited on November 19, 2012 at 6:43 PM. Reason : this is why we should just say fuck it and beg the sec to let us in.]

11/19/2012 6:43:04 PM

Pls for louisville

11/19/2012 6:43:47 PM

Quote :

"this is why we should just say fuck it and beg the sec to let us in "

Maybe if we were in the SEC, James Franklin would at least talk to our AD

11/19/2012 7:05:01 PM

The sooner people accept that we don't go anywhere without UNC the better. SEC isn't calling and frankly I don't want to join them. We are and always have been a mediocre football program. I'd rather stay and play Duke/UNC twice every year in basketball personally.

11/19/2012 7:25:20 PM

even if the ACC gets "raided", the SEC and B1G only need 2 teams to get to 16, the Pac 12 needs 4, and the only place they're gonna get teams from is the Big XII. At worst, that leaves us taking scraps from the Big East like we always do and the Big XII unwanteds (Baylor, Iowa State, etc) getting the shaft (or getting pity invites from the B1G). FSU, Clemson, and Miami won't run off to a conference that's gonna get poached by the Pac 12, and they add no value to the SEC.

Maryland is just proving their retardedness by leaving for a conference that wants them less than we do.

11/19/2012 7:27:39 PM

^^Spoken like a true Yankee. I would kill to be able to tailgate with other SEC schools.

11/19/2012 7:32:44 PM

What I don't get is this. People keep talking about how Maryland got no respect from the ACC. Yet do they really expect to get anymore respect from the Big Ten? How the heck are the Terrapins supposed to outshine juggernauts like Michigan, Ohio State and Wisconsin or traditional powerhouses like Penn State, Nebraska and Iowa? Those schools all cast just as massive of, if not greater shadow than many of the more prominent ACC schools. At least in the ACC, Maryland had tradition to carry them, but in the Big Ten, they don't even have that to rely upon.

11/19/2012 7:40:19 PM

"People" may say that but "people" don't matter. Maryland needed $ and Maryland got more $ guaranteed from the Big 10.

Good programs mean shit when it comes to television markets and money. You'd think ACC fans would know that by now with the shitstain that is Boston College holding down the bottom of the ACC in everything.

11/19/2012 7:44:01 PM

I hope all the "never going to happen" people on here and PP are finally starting to realize this stuff is real.

11/19/2012 7:58:10 PM

Quote :

"The sooner people accept that we don't go anywhere without UNC the better."

the sooner you, and whoever makes these decisions, realizes rivalries don't mean shit anymore, the better

11/19/2012 8:18:57 PM

Has nothing to do with rivalries and everything to do with the UNC system that we are a part of and politics.

11/19/2012 8:26:52 PM

can't we all just get along and enjoy the terps getting tfo of the conference

11/19/2012 8:32:45 PM

i'll drink to that

11/19/2012 8:38:40 PM

Did someone call Iowa a football juggernaut ITT

11/19/2012 8:42:23 PM

Quote :

"Has nothing to do with rivalries and everything to do with the UNC system that we are a part of and politics."

This was my line of thinking until this MD mess. I thought the politics in MD would keep them in place, but it looks like money matters more. I'm not so sure anymore that the UNC system/NC politicians would put up that much of a fight if NC State or Carolina decided to split to a different conference.

11/19/2012 9:02:24 PM

if we end up moving the the SEC, I won't be that upset.

I pretty much hate every single ACC team anyway and SEC football is a lot more exciting. Plus we'll have chance to play 3rd fiddle to UK and UF in basketball, so we'll feel right at home!

11/19/2012 9:51:01 PM

Quote :

"I would kill to be able to tailgate with other SEC schools."

Hey, it'd probably be nice and it'd improve our profile, but it's not going to happen. Look at the priority list of schools and who you would get if you're another conference. We're midpack for the ACC at best.

11/19/2012 10:26:10 PM

I agree with Van Pelt here and everything he says about the ACC. http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8653119

11/19/2012 10:42:48 PM

Quote :

"Did someone call Iowa a football juggernaut ITT"

Hmmm...


*looks around*


Nope, nobody did.

11/20/2012 12:08:05 AM

Quote :

"Really?? We were like 71 in years past when I looked during expansion. Wtf."

it's pretty bad, we fall with every new update. when I applied we were tied with clemson. clemson is now like 68. my first year on campus we were tied with VPI. now we're 30-40 spots below them. woodson needs to start bribing the usnwr or whatever it is that influences their BS metrics once you get into the jumble of schools that are all roughly even

---

and uconn is a HORRIBLE add. What is the difference between them and UMass? Calipari went to the NBA, Calhoun didn't. You could say the same for New Hampshire, Delaware, etc if they hired good basketball coaches. Football is driving this. UConn was I-AA in football like 15 years ago. They're only relevant now because of a basketball coach who is no longer there

11/20/2012 2:12:16 AM

Offer the 50Mil to ND to add football. They would at least have to seriously consider it.

11/20/2012 7:00:39 AM

College sports landscape is changing. Personally I'm not sad to see Maryland go but I'm worried about who their replacement will be. Another Big East school or a competent mid-major?

Are there even any competent mid-major programs worth going after right now?

11/20/2012 9:18:58 AM

for anyone that mentioned anything other than money regarding maryland and conference alignment; you're way off base. respect, athletic achievements, etc. don't matter.

Maryland saw a much bigger paycheck and the Big10 saw the DC TV market. It's that simple.

11/20/2012 9:22:42 AM

Quote :

"spoken like a true Yankee. I would kill to be able to tailgate with other SEC schools."

NC isn't SEC country, dumbass. The ACC, anchored by the Big 4, has been a North Carolina tradition since 1954 and I, for one, don't want to change that.

Feel free to move to South Carolina and attend their academically inferior POS school, if you feel this way.

Quote :

"Maryland saw a much bigger paycheck and the Big10 saw the DC TV market. It's that simple."

Considering the size of the Michigan and OSU alumni bases in the DC area, you'd think they would have gone after a team in yet another market that expands the footprint, like Syracuse. Guess we're lucky to have stopped that one.

I hope we add 3 so we can get to 16 and split into "The New ACC" and "ACC Classic".

New ACC:
-FSU
-Miami
-Pitt
-Syracuse
-BC
-UConn
-Louisville
-Cincy

ACC Classic:
-NC State
-UNC
-Duke
-Wake
-Clemson
-GT
-UVA
-VT (I know they aren't "classic" but they make more sense here than FSU due to traditional rivalry with UVA and land grant status)

The whole purpose of these divisions is to get the 2-a-year with Duke, UNC, and Wake for us

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 9:42 AM. Reason : z]

11/20/2012 9:36:28 AM

I step in Swofford's building like I'm the shit
Tell him here's my 50 million, I'mma quit

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 9:42 AM. Reason : so thirsty]

11/20/2012 9:42:04 AM

Quote :

"Hey, it'd probably be nice and it'd improve our profile, but it's not going to happen."

Yeah everyone totally saw Rutgers joining the Big Ten. Plus VTech and NCSU are the most rumored teams. Kinda like how Maryland was rumored to the Big 10.

When will people quit with the "never" shit? If FSU and Clemson leave, the ACC is done.

11/20/2012 10:05:37 AM

The ACC can make 2 divisions, and call them the ACC and the Big East
ACC:
Duke
UNC
NCSU
Wake
Virginia
Clemson
Ga Tech
FSU

Big East:
Syracuse
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Miami
Boston College
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
Louisville

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 10:07 AM. Reason : But what about ND?]

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 10:17 AM. Reason : I say fuck Cincinnati.]

11/20/2012 10:06:00 AM

Quote :

" Plus VTech and NCSU are the most rumored teams."

Packpride posts do not cross the rumor threshold. Purely crazy fuck speculation.

11/20/2012 10:13:41 AM

^

Quote :

"If SEC commissioner Mike Slive wants to expand his league's footprint even more, North Carolina State and Virginia Tech might be the best options."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8654194/college-football-conference-expansion-likely-end-maryland-big-ten

11/20/2012 10:18:16 AM

That is not a rumor. That is Mark Schlabach speculating.

11/20/2012 10:20:23 AM

Semantics. Boozie's point holds, the Maryland/Rutgers move has shifted everyone's view on what is possible/not possible.

11/20/2012 10:30:52 AM

Quote :

"What is the difference between them and UMass? Calipari went to the NBA, Calhoun didn't. You could say the same for New Hampshire, Delaware, etc if they hired good basketball coaches. Football is driving this. UConn was I-AA in football like 15 years ago. They're only relevant now because of a basketball coach who is no longer there."

Without getting into it there are about a thousand things wrong with this. Size, money, endowment, alum size, academic ranking, athletic excellence (hint: not just men's bball).

You know this though. And, again, I wouldn't be disappointed if UL was the choice.

11/20/2012 10:39:03 AM

lol @ "NCSU isn't SEC country". Because Houston is totally Big East country, New Jersey is Big Ten country, and West Virginia is Big 12 country.

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 10:46 AM. Reason : -]

11/20/2012 10:45:32 AM

would we have smallest football stadium in SEC (or close to it)?

11/20/2012 10:53:12 AM

let's just latch on to clem/fla st and head to the big 12

11/20/2012 10:54:26 AM

Yeah...this isn't SEC country that's why when conferences became a thing we were in the Southern Conference with ALL of them.

11/20/2012 10:56:19 AM

^^^Only Mississippi State and Vanderbilt have smaller stadiums.

11/20/2012 11:03:05 AM

Ernie wins this thread

11/20/2012 11:44:18 AM

Quote :

"The ACC can make 2 divisions, and call them the ACC and the Big East ACC: Duke UNC NCSU Wake Virginia Clemson Ga Tech FSU Big East: Syracuse Connecticut Pittsburgh Miami Boston College Cincinnati Virginia Tech Louisville "

I say this is the best plan or maybe swap Virginia and Miami and just go with North and South

11/20/2012 1:08:08 PM

Quote :

"this isn't SEC country"

Hence why they would like to make it SEC country.


Its been mentioned a bit by different people but I think I'm finally on board with having a conference affiliation just for football and a different one for everything else but that won't happen cause it will screw up the tv deals.

11/20/2012 1:12:09 PM

Can we take a moment to get back to making fun of ECU?

11/20/2012 2:04:09 PM

Maybe the big east will finally consider ECU now that they lost Rutgers, and are about to lose one more. ECU is finally going to join a big boy conference only to find it dissolved the next day.

11/20/2012 2:14:09 PM

[Edited on November 20, 2012 at 2:44 PM. Reason : whoops, read it wrong. I'll gladly admit that I was wrong]

11/20/2012 2:17:38 PM

Iowa is a football juggernaut

11/20/2012 2:34:10 PM