Oops. Nothing to see here guys. Seems like the underlying problem is actually tabacco. Go figure

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12/3/2014 7:07:38 PM

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"It would be understandable if we did. The cop choked a man to death for selling loose cigarettes."

Regardless of the original offense, if you resist arrest, then there are consequences. He wasn't choked to death for selling cigarettes. You keep saying that shit because people will believe it.

I do however think the cop should have been charged with at least manslaughter here. There was no reason to use the kind of force that he did.

12/3/2014 7:53:49 PM

not defending the cop, but what is a cop supposed to do when someone resists arrest like that?

12/3/2014 7:57:08 PM

It is a near-reflex for the body to resist life being literally squeezed out of it.

12/3/2014 7:59:10 PM

i'm talking about someone who won't put their hands behind their back for handcuffs. i'm not sure what they can do besides take them to the ground.

12/3/2014 8:03:34 PM

Take them to the ground without strangling them?

I'm not sure why this is being framed as a 0/100 issue.

[Edited on December 3, 2014 at 8:10 PM. Reason : we're going to need James Brown to save the city from riots]

12/3/2014 8:06:08 PM

^

12/3/2014 8:08:06 PM

let him go and fine him later. god forbid he sells another cigarette.

12/3/2014 8:13:03 PM

So you are really in here defending that cop? That cop had multiple complaints against him for civil rights violations. He was trained to never put a person in a headlock to avoid this exact issue. He chokes a man to death, and then arrest the person filming it. And you defend him. Fucking disgusting.

12/3/2014 8:15:27 PM

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"Regardless of the original offense, if you resist arrest, then there are consequences. He wasn't choked to death for selling cigarettes. You keep saying that shit because people will believe it."

he had his arms up while somebody choked him from behind. in what world is that considered resisting arrest?

and while on the ground, he continued to yell, "I can't breathe".

you still wanna consider that resisting?

[Edited on December 3, 2014 at 8:21 PM. Reason : but consequences, right?]

12/3/2014 8:17:37 PM

^ In the world where literally every action is justified when you have a badge.


The type of chokehold the officer used was outlawed by the NYPD in 1993, for anyone who gives a shit.

Quote :

" Regardless of the original offense, if you resist arrest, then there are consequences."

Name the consequences, please. I'd like to see if the death sentence is on your list

[Edited on December 3, 2014 at 8:25 PM. Reason : ]

12/3/2014 8:20:59 PM

He kinda flails his arms and doesn't surrender himself to the cops. But he's not agressive at all.

I guess by definition that is "resisting arrest". But he is far from agressive and doesn't seem to be posing a legitimate threat to the officers.

12/3/2014 8:22:25 PM

based on the evidence presented by the media, it certainly appears that the officer should've been indicted

12/3/2014 8:22:59 PM

of course if there was no video, he would have been reaching for the cops gun.

12/3/2014 8:23:13 PM

what charge were they asking to indict? since choke holds aren't allowed, could they try again for an indictment for assault?

12/3/2014 8:35:09 PM

I'm guessing they went for murder, since the NY medical examiner declared the death a homicide.

Maybe it's one of those all or nothing deals and they can't go back and charge again? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. I dint know how that works.

12/3/2014 8:39:12 PM

they could have charged him with anything. they didn't "go for" anything.

the grand jury had the option to indict thiis officer from anything ranging from involuntary manslaughter to 2nd degree murder.

12/3/2014 8:41:36 PM

listening to the news, it sounds like any charge would have been on the table.

12/3/2014 8:45:37 PM

Minor sticking point....


The medical examiner would be determining the cause of death. His choices are:

Natural
Homocide
Suicide
Accident
Undetermined
Fetal (if you want to get picky)



So, them saying it was a homocide isn't particularly remarkable. That is just them saying a person was killed my another person. They aren't determining whether it was a justified homocide or not.

12/3/2014 8:48:47 PM

I want to know how a grand jury can watch that video, know that cops back story, know that choke holds are illegal, and come back with no charge.

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"The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," the medical examiner's office has said. The New York City Police Department prohibits chokeholds. The death was ruled a homicide."

AND THE DEATH WAS RULED A HOMICIDE.

^Homicide is homicide. That grand jury essentially has said that this mans death was justifiable homicide. I hope I'm never in a choke hold begging for my life while a cop kills me. Next to drowning, getting choked to death is probably the worst way to die.

[Edited on December 3, 2014 at 8:52 PM. Reason : .]

12/3/2014 8:50:22 PM

I think that you misread what I posted.


To the MEDICAL EXAMINER homocide is homicide. They are just saying a person killed another person...instead of a person killing himself, or was killed by accident, etc.
the medical examiner is NOT saying whether it was a justified homocide or not.


Now, here the STATE, grand jury, etc... is saying that it is not going to be investigated as a crime.

[Edited on December 3, 2014 at 9:00 PM. Reason : K]

12/3/2014 8:59:15 PM

Is it just me, or is there a large amount of intersection between people who think Cosby had never molested anyone, and that cops are justified in targeting blacks?

12/3/2014 9:19:47 PM

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"”I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world.”"

Fun Bloomberg quote to remember.

12/3/2014 9:20:25 PM

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" of course if there was no video, he would have been reaching for the cops gun."

Exactly, huge black man with demonic hate in his eyes, threatening cops, and reaching for their gun. Just like the 12 year old kid, Mike Brown, or trayvon Martin.

I wonder what the stats are on people actually taking a cops Gun? I bet this almost never happens. The only difference between this and Ferguson is the video.

12/3/2014 9:26:24 PM

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"Is it just me, or is there a large amount of intersection between people who think Cosby had never molested anyone, and that cops are justified in targeting blacks?"

up until a month ago, for those with that line of thinking, he was "one of the good ones". now that he's been outed as a rapist, they have assigned that role to Charles Barkley.

12/3/2014 10:10:09 PM

Chris rock https://twitter.com/ozchrisrock/status/540309824442208256

White privilege:
https://mobile.twitter.com/search/?q=%23CrimingWhileWhite&s=hash

12/3/2014 10:13:23 PM

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"Is it just me, or is there a large amount of intersection between people who think Cosby had never molested anyone, and that cops are justified in targeting blacks?"

This.

Also there's a large amount of intersection between those groups and the group that routinely votes against their own self interests.

One thing these police killings show, is there's a lot of blind faith idiots running around in this country.

[Edited on December 3, 2014 at 10:21 PM. Reason : .]

12/3/2014 10:15:37 PM

I thought cameras on police officers would help stop situations like Brown but now I don't even think thats enough considering there was a video of the entire incident and it still didn't go to trial. What do we need to do to have police be accountable for their actions?

[Edited on December 3, 2014 at 10:24 PM. Reason : a]

12/3/2014 10:21:13 PM

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"I felt like a 5 year old holding on the Hulk Hogan"

12/3/2014 10:24:06 PM

http://gawker.com/the-cop-who-killed-tamir-rice-was-found-unfit-for-polic-1666341124

has anyone mentioned this yet

12/3/2014 10:28:37 PM

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"What do we need to do to have police be accountable for their actions? "

I've called for exploding microchips in the brainstems of active duty officer that detonate if a text opinion poll falls below 30% favorable for years now. When will we realize that now is the time?

12/3/2014 10:32:48 PM

Lol homocide... Is that when they kill gays?

12/3/2014 10:38:04 PM

^^
Outside independent reviews, power to prosecute removed from the hands of local prosecutors to eliminate the effect of police-prosecutor politics.

12/3/2014 10:42:24 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/03/hundreds-officer-involved-homicides-not-recorded-by-police-report-says/

the catch prase should really be

COP CRIMES MATTER

12/3/2014 10:46:06 PM

There better be some pretty damning evidence that isn't on that video to justify this mans death. Probably had copious amounts of marijuana in his system, in tandem with his demonic eyes. Eventually someone will take the law into their own hands. I know damn well if that's my family member this cop choked to death, and the justice system failed me...he'd have hell to pay.


Also since American citizens are somehow too stupid/incapable of making the correct decision in a case as cut and dry as this one, lets go ahead and look into fixing the grand jury system.

[Edited on December 3, 2014 at 10:56 PM. Reason : .]

12/3/2014 10:47:32 PM

^ would you demand the town be set on fire?

12/3/2014 11:27:11 PM

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/

Here's a handy chart of how all the witness testimony broke down.

12/3/2014 11:31:58 PM

I wonder if you can defend someone being killed by cops like you can when cops aren't involved. Like a third party defense.


But also, why didn't they just tase him?

12/3/2014 11:33:05 PM

I'm not defending the cop here. I think it is pretty obvious the cop was in the wrong here. Alls I'm saying is kids...don't resist arrest and you won't get murdered by cops.

12/3/2014 11:43:52 PM

that's whats known as "victim blaming"

a common example of victim blaming is, "don't wear a short skirt and you won't get raped"

12/3/2014 11:49:53 PM

yeah... "resisting arrest" rings a bit hollow when you are being choked to death. Sorry, but I think it's reasonable for a person being choked to death to fight back.

12/3/2014 11:53:41 PM

^^^

It also helps to be white:
https://mobile.twitter.com/search/?q=%23CrimingWhileWhite&s=hash

12/4/2014 12:01:45 AM

12/4/2014 12:08:54 AM

shit could be about to go down at city hall. 3 large groups of protesters converging on dhs and police.

12/4/2014 12:09:41 AM

^^ #foxnews

12/4/2014 12:13:15 AM

^^^I mean, the same could be said about those Americans, who don't trust the government yet reflexively trust and defend every action of the military.


The state can't do anything right.....unless it's killing the defenseless.

12/4/2014 2:32:01 AM

Don't know what that guy was thinking. The choke hold is not taught in any self defense class taught to any law enforcement officer as a use of force method that is acceptable to detain someone resisting arrest. This cop deserves to be fired/charged. Absolutely mindless and idiotic.

12/4/2014 5:50:30 AM

if we ended the war on drugs it would greatly reduce these police killings me thinks

12/4/2014 6:07:34 AM

But this guy wasn't selling drugs. He was selling cigs.

Let's end the war on cigarettes.

12/4/2014 6:59:39 AM

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"Groubert, 31, telling a very different version of what happened: "I pulled him over for a seat belt violation. Before I could even get out of my car he jumped out, stared at me, and as I jumped out of my car and identified myself, as I approached him, he jumped headfirst into his car," Groubert can be heard saying to his supervisor."

Quote :

""I started retracting back towards the rear of his vehicle, telling him, 'Look, get out of the car, let me see your hands.' He jumped out of the car. I saw something black in his hands. I ran to the other side of the car, yelling at him, and he kept coming towards me. Apparently it was his wallet." "

12/4/2014 7:30:17 AM