No, I'm not employing tu toque. moron invited me to show examples of liberals to parallel his conservative boogeymen.

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"where are the leftist equivalent of the usual Fox News jokers?"

So, I provided leftist equivalents of all of his conservative examples:

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"Beck <-> Maddow (moron: invalid comparison) O'Reilly <-> Olbermann (moron: invalid comparison) Fox <-> MSNBC (moron: invalid comparison) Schmitt/Conservative Authors <-> Alinsky/Liberal Authors (moron: invalid comparison) "

I made no judgement on either side. And you're going to talk to me about straw men?

[Edited on March 13, 2010 at 4:04 PM. Reason : s]

3/13/2010 4:03:17 PM

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"I swear to god, this kid thinks he knows shit from shat about conservatives but then it turns out he doesn't even know to whom he owes his liberal theories. "

lol

So who do you cling to for your, presumably conservative, views?

On a personal level, i pretty much never harken a single ideology to support anything i believe. I simply call things like I see them, and it's pretty obvious that a progressive (in a general, non-political sense) attitude leads to the most logical paths.

^ also, you seem to have an issue with what the word "equivalent" means

[Edited on March 13, 2010 at 4:04 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2010 4:04:26 PM

I don't cling to anyone, but at least I know the intellectual lineage of the theories to which I subscribe.

3/13/2010 4:07:39 PM

Yet another attempt at diversion on your part from the issue that Fox has no equal in terms of distortionary news reporting.

3/13/2010 4:10:56 PM

Would you consider Dan Rather's memogate 60 minute report to be an example of distortionist reporting?

3/13/2010 4:16:17 PM

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"So, I provided leftist equivalents of all of his conservative examples:"

I started writing my post at:

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"you've never heard of saul alinsky and you're gonna come in here talking shit about conservative communication tactics. you fucking moron."

3/13/2010 4:19:50 PM

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"Would you consider Dan Rather's memogate 60 minute report to be an example of distortionist reporting? "

Yeah, it was. And it was shown to be a big embarrassment for him and CBS, And Rather had to apologize for it, and is no longer doing any serious reporting.

where as when the reporters on Fox make things up, it's championed as doing the right thing for the cause by the right.

[Edited on March 13, 2010 at 4:22 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2010 4:21:44 PM

^^

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"Yeah, it was. And it was shown to be a big embarrassment for him and CBS"

He was only busted by those pajama clad bloggers. Had this happened even a decade earlier, while the MSLM had a stranglehold on information, no one would have heard a thing about this.

How many times had he played fast and loose with the truth in order to score political points? This was just the first time he got caught. Then you wonder how could anyone possibly have any reason to suspect liberal bias...

[Edited on March 13, 2010 at 4:31 PM. Reason : s]

3/13/2010 4:24:41 PM

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"He was only busted by those pajama clad bloggers. Had this happened even a decade earlier, while the MSLM had a stranglehold on information, no one would have heard a thing about this. "

That's true, because there were no media scandals until Fox News, right?

Is delusion one of the intellectual theories you subscribe to, too?

[Edited on March 13, 2010 at 5:08 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2010 5:04:28 PM

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"How many times had he played fast and loose with the truth in order to score political points? This was just the first time he got caught. Then you wonder how could anyone possibly have any reason to suspect liberal bias..."

3/13/2010 5:20:33 PM

^ then you must be able to understand what sane peoples' concerns are regarding Fox, who continually gets away with blatant fabrication or misrepresentation, and have people actually try and defend them?

3/13/2010 5:23:02 PM

I believe that you are being intellectually dishonest when you choose to spend all of your time attacking Fox for these concerns while ignoring the same behavior in the media outlets that you prefer. This reveals that you're not so much worried by distortions as you are by the direction in which the distortion occurs.


those with reading comprehension will realize that I have made no judgement on fox or liberal media in the above statement.

3/13/2010 6:13:49 PM

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" I believe that you are being intellectually dishonest when you choose to spend all of your time attacking Fox"

Hmm... why would this be the case, it's not like this thread is titled "Fox News" or anything...

3/13/2010 6:15:32 PM

Denial and rationalization ITT.

I like how you refuse to answer this charge:

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"you're not so much worried by distortions as you are by the direction in which the distortion occurs."

consider yourself called the fuck out

3/13/2010 6:20:12 PM

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"Denial and rationalization ITT."

That you refuse to accept Fox News is in no way equivalent to any of the "liberal" news networks is indeed denial and rationalization on your part.

3/13/2010 7:28:43 PM

that you would put liberal in quotes when referring to MSNBC is the definition of denial and rationalization

3/13/2010 8:11:48 PM

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"you're not so much worried by distortions as you are by the direction magnitude in which the distortion occurs"

3/13/2010 8:31:58 PM

3/13/2010 8:39:31 PM

^^ magnitude can be a funny thing, depending on your perspective

3/13/2010 8:52:05 PM

tell yourself whatever makes you happy, bossman

3/13/2010 8:54:40 PM

you too, chief

3/13/2010 8:55:05 PM

^^^

Because the democrats have personalities like Hannity and Beck shilling for them that the Republicans are evil incarnate and intentionally want to destroy America and eat your children.

3/13/2010 9:53:55 PM

Let me fix this:

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"That you refuse to accept Fox News is in no way equivalent to any of the "liberal" news networks is indeed denial and rationalization trolling on your part."

[Edited on March 13, 2010 at 9:59 PM. Reason : /]

3/13/2010 9:59:12 PM

^^ michael moore, al franken

just to start

3/14/2010 12:38:40 AM

^ moore might personally believe that, but he's never publicly vocalized that.

That doesn't fit Franken's MO for a couple of years either

3/14/2010 12:41:06 AM

k


barbara streisand, sean penn, susan sarandon, kanye "george bush hates black people" west

[Edited on March 14, 2010 at 12:48 AM. Reason : s]

3/14/2010 12:46:55 AM

None of them are known for repeatedly saying that Republicans are evil incarnate and intentionally want to destroy America and eat your children.

3/14/2010 12:51:38 AM

well I guess its ok for you to exaggerate what fox commentators say and then demand that I come up with a liberal example that rises to the level of your exaggeration rather than to the level of their actual behavior.

3/14/2010 12:53:51 AM

not worth it

[Edited on March 14, 2010 at 12:58 AM. Reason : s]

3/14/2010 12:56:42 AM

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"Here, I'll save you a reply... "it doesn't count because he's uhh... not on tv at uhh... 9:00 yea... and uhh... stuff" "

It looks like you already know that your perspective is wrong, you're just using self delusion and cognitive dissonance to convince yourself otherwise.

You seem to realize that Fox News' commentators and increasingly their news reporters make ridiculous claims. BUt you haven't yet come to terms with the fact that no other group has their audience and influence, and is as successful in manipulating public discourse.

3/14/2010 1:00:29 AM

why did you name celebrities that people see once in 6 months

3/14/2010 1:02:35 AM

^^ you're right, Fox news has a miniscule audience compared to the big three networks and major newspapers. So I guess no other group has their audience, because they have vastly larger audiences than fox

^ I'm just providing examples of the ubiquity of acerbic liberal bias throughout the media landscape.

[Edited on March 14, 2010 at 1:07 AM. Reason : s]

3/14/2010 1:05:14 AM

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"and is as successful in manipulating public discourse."

Give me a break. Like Dan Rather wasn't trying to manipulate public discourse. Like that was really the first time he'd ever done some shit like that - I mean we're talking outright fabrication of an entire story with deliberately forged documents. As far as I know, Fox has never done that.... Even if he never tried fabcricating a story before, he was unquestionably biased if this kind of stunt seemed "ok" to him. And he's an ANCHOR - you know, like real reporting... not commentary.

And what did your precious "non-liberal" establishment do after he disgraced himself? They gave him a fucking peabody award! Guilt by association bitch... They clearly could not care less about fabrication of a story critical to a conservative.... But a little hyperbole from a COMMENTATOR at 5pm on a cable news channel and holy christ, journalism is being killed!


[Edited on March 14, 2010 at 1:23 AM. Reason : s]

3/14/2010 1:12:36 AM

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"But a little hyperbole from a COMMENTATOR at 5pm on a cable news channel and holy christ, journalism is being killed! "

wow, if that isn't blatant understatement.

Not to mention your facts are entirely wrong:

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"I mean we're talking outright fabrication of an entire story with deliberately forged documents. As far as I know, Fox has never done that"

Rather didn't forge the documents himself, he trusted a source without question. Fox has definitely presented forge documents before (Obama's kenyan birth cert).

And it's funny you keep bringing Rather up, who was and is denounced on an ongoing basis for that report. But you still defend Fox News, who continually make intentionally misleading or mis-representative statements.

I'm sure you also remember their over-reporting of the Tea Party protest numbers in DC, while simultaneously ignoring the LARGER crowd of pro-gay rights protesters that happened at the same time. IIRC, they even put a single newscaster in an offsite location to make it seem like few people showed up. Or until Fox started over-reporting opposition to the public option, and big majority of Americans supported it.

If you are so obsessed with the era of Rather, there's the study that showed Fox watchers were most mis informed on Iraq war facts than any other news station.

3/14/2010 1:26:03 AM

lol, ooook.

3/14/2010 1:33:34 AM

^^You forgot the way they accidentally (and consistently) used to label Republican politicians caught in a major scandal with a little "D" next to their name.

[Edited on March 14, 2010 at 1:47 AM. Reason : Not a whole story, of course, but still blatant false information.]

3/14/2010 1:42:26 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/14/pelosi-expresses-confidence-health-pass/

This is amusing, I have to say… they put a picture of Gibbs with a Canadian jersey (that he wore because of a bet) on an article about health care.

3/14/2010 2:17:20 PM

Gibbs is clearly advocating for Canadian style Socialized Medicine!!!1

3/14/2010 5:01:53 PM

yeah, and the part where he ripped off the Canada jersey and had a USA one on underneath represented..... what?

3/15/2010 2:09:03 AM

^^^wow! they're not even trying to look professional anymore

i dont think this thread has any purpose anymore. Its clear Fox has take off the gloves, dignity, & professionalism and as long as they have a horde or passionate idiots to back them they can and will do whatever they want.
welcome to a new era in america, we have a permanent malignant tumor that feeds on stupid, and there's plenty food.

3/15/2010 2:52:45 AM

yep. we call it "The Democratic Party"

3/15/2010 6:55:55 AM

I just think its really funny to see liberals go through the same torment that conservatives went through between 1960-1999.

its almost cathartic in a way.

don't worry you silly rabbits, you still have hollywood, the big three networks, all major newspapers (except wsj) and all major cable news channels (except fox). A 98% stranglehold is still better than nothing :-P

3/15/2010 9:16:42 AM

combover challenge

3/15/2010 9:47:15 AM

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"Office politics officially on hold as 58 million workers scramble to get their brackets together for March Madness — but are NCAA tournament pools boosting company morale or draining productivity?"

3/15/2010 1:38:45 PM

3/15/2010 1:56:11 PM

This is the Fox thread, troll.

3/15/2010 3:17:57 PM

yes, and in this thread, I was asked to provide liberal examples of fox tactics

3/15/2010 4:39:54 PM

That's a lie. You weren't asked to provide anything related to tactics. Nobody cares. You aren't going to win the argument.

3/15/2010 6:09:59 PM

I would invite you to go read the latter half of page #43, specifically the discussion between moron and myself.

3/15/2010 6:25:04 PM

I already did. The only thing he requested from you is this:

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"but where are the leftist equivalent of the usual Fox News jokers? "

Nothing about tactics.

3/15/2010 6:31:27 PM