http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Ex-Culpeper-Police-Officer-Sentenced-to-3-Years-in-Fatal-Shooting-205847261.html

This is how you get an indictment against a cop, be white and get killed.



If that same thing would have happened with a African American behind the wheel it would have been justified.

12/4/2014 7:45:14 AM

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"Groubert, 31, telling a very different version of what happened: "I pulled him over for a seat belt violation. Before I could even get out of my car he jumped out, stared at me, and as I jumped out of my car and identified myself, as I approached him, he jumped headfirst into his car," Groubert can be heard saying to his supervisor."

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""I started retracting back towards the rear of his vehicle, telling him, 'Look, get out of the car, let me see your hands.' He jumped out of the car. I saw something black in his hands. I ran to the other side of the car, yelling at him, and he kept coming towards me. Apparently it was his wallet." "

No one sees last post of previous page

12/4/2014 7:45:57 AM

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-american-justice-system-is-not-broken-1666445407/all

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"In July, New York police officer Daniel Pantaleo choked unarmed black man Eric Garner to death, in broad daylight, while a bystander caught it on video. That is what American police do. Yesterday, despite the video, despite an NYPD prohibition of exactly the sort of chokehold Pantaleo used, and despite the New York City medical examiner ruling the death a homicide, a Staten Island grand jury declined even to indict Pantaleo. That is what American grand juries do. In August, Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson shot unarmed black teenager Michael Brown to death in broad daylight. That is what American police do. Ten days ago, despite multiple eyewitness accounts and his own face contradicting Wilson's narrative of events, a grand jury declined to indict Wilson. That is what American grand juries do. In November 2006, a group of five New York police officers shot unarmed black man Sean Bell to death in the early morning hours of his wedding day. That is what American police do. In April 2008, despite multiple eyewitness accounts contradicting the officers' accounts of the incident, Justice Arthur J. Cooperman acquitted the officers of all charges, including reckless endangerment. That is what American judges do. In February of 1999, four plainclothes New York police officers shot unarmed black man Amadou Diallo to death outside of his home. That is what American police do. A year later, an Albany jury acquitted the officers of all charges, including reckless endangerment. That is what American juries do. In November of 1951, Willis McCall, the sheriff of Lake County, Fla., shot and killed Sam Shepherd, an unarmed and handcuffed black man in his custody. That is what American police do. Despite both a living witness and forensic evidence which contradicted his version of events, a coroner's inquest ruled that McCall had acted within the line of duty, and Judge Thomas Futch declined to convene a grand jury at all."

12/4/2014 7:54:50 AM

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"That is what American police do. All American police are racists who only joined their respective force so they could kill black people more easily."

fify deadspin

12/4/2014 8:14:37 AM

^

If I were new to this country, and had just been watching the news for the past couple of weeks, that is the impression that I would get.

But hey, if all they can dig up is 5 instances since 1951? I really don't think that is a bad track record. In all those cases though, I think Wilson is the only one that sounds like he should have gotten off. I'm sure deadspin is leaving out many of the details for the other cases.

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 8:18 AM. Reason : ads]

12/4/2014 8:16:25 AM

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"If I were new to this country, and had just been watching the news for the past couple of weeks, that is the impression that I would get."

agreed...doesn't make it any less ridiculous to pretend - even in hyperbole - like any significant percentage of LEOs are simply looking for an excuse to kill black people

there is no positive outcome of doing so

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"But hey, if all they can dig up is 5 instances since 1951? I really don't think that is a bad track record. In all those cases though, I think Wilson is the only one that sounds like he should have gotten off. I'm sure deadspin is leaving out many of the details for the other cases."

i, too, think that those people just waiting for an event to stand their pent-up outrage (which i truly believe is valid) upon picked a poor one when they chose ferguson...of the recent events that have been brought up in this thread, ferguson is the worst candidate to use as an example of how all cops are actually klan members with a badge

but hey, you gotta work with what you've got, i suppose

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 8:23 AM. Reason : .]

12/4/2014 8:19:24 AM

Literally no one is saying that they are roving bands of racists hell bent on killing minorities.

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 8:22 AM. Reason : O]

12/4/2014 8:21:41 AM

^

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"America is a serial brutalizer of black and brown people. Brutalizing them is what it does."

12/4/2014 8:22:57 AM

Deadspin stopped at 5, I can rattle off way more.

12/4/2014 8:23:32 AM

^ hey, i'd appreciate it...and if you could generate a chart comparing it to the number of arrests that did NOT result in the killing of an unarmed black person, that'd be helpful

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 8:25 AM. Reason : specifically black arrests/altercations, i mean]

12/4/2014 8:24:48 AM

more like staggeringly low ratio, amirite?

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 8:26 AM. Reason : -]

12/4/2014 8:25:52 AM

So your new defense for cops is statistics? Do you not value human life? Even one person killed senselessly by a cop is too many. What if a cop killed your family member and they told you its not a problem because the other 99.9% of that cops altercations didn't end in death?



[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 8:37 AM. Reason : .]

12/4/2014 8:36:23 AM

the issue is not entirely about police killing black people

it's about common decency and respect

12/4/2014 8:38:27 AM

Simple question. Do you believe in god?

12/4/2014 8:47:03 AM

me? no.

12/4/2014 8:50:45 AM

quagmire02 is retarded

12/4/2014 8:56:04 AM

I haven't found many people these days that say or believe there are police officers that set out on patrol to kill black people. It may still happen, who knows. To me, that sounds like an extreme mischaracterization put forth by opponents to highlight a ridiculous strawman argument.

What I have heard people say, believe, and fight against are an entire law enforcement and court system institutionally geared towards:

Having police go into neighborhoods seeking out, bullying, harassing, and provoking minorities

General disrespect and callousness towards the community in general

Arresting minorities at a much higher rate, often for similar alleged crimes of non-minorities

Viewing minorities as more aggressive, and therefore deserving of more brutal and fatal encounters with police

Giving minorities harsher sentences than non-minoroties

Et cetera



Sure there are easily to find, and plentiful, exceptions to note. But when these types of behaviours become an easy to spot trend, backed by credible research and statistics, it is not hard to see why some of the disenfranchised communities point to systemic racism.

12/4/2014 8:58:21 AM

^Exactly

12/4/2014 9:03:32 AM

^^ Ditto


quagmire02 Do you believe in god?

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 9:07 AM. Reason : .]

12/4/2014 9:07:01 AM

^^^ but if they are not roving bands of bandits, then its not racism!

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 9:13 AM. Reason : [i]]

12/4/2014 9:13:08 AM

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"So your new defense for cops is statistics? Do you not value human life? Even one person killed senselessly by a cop is too many. What if a cop killed your family member and they told you its not a problem because the other 99.9% of that cops altercations didn't end in death?"

you are one dumb shit, you know that? by all means, please tell me where *i* said that any unnecessary use of force that results in the death of anyone - black or white or brown or purple or whatever - is okay because it's statistically uncommon...go ahead, i'll wait

my point - since you are clearly too dense to comprehend it - is that there is no evidence (based on statistics) that the death of unarmed minorities at the hands of racially-biased LEOs is a significant problem

those screaming that every tragedy involving folks of differing races is a de facto racist event only serves to polarize the REAL issue (which is the responsibility and accountability of LEOs as a whole) in such a way that folks are more likely to take sides

rolling all of these events into one as "proof" of racism is a horribly stupid idea...because saying that the wilson/brown and pantaleo/garner events are the same (when they clearly aren't to anyone with common sense and an objective view) simply lessens the validity of the events that DO exemplify racism

but hey, you kids keep on sitting in front of your computers and furiously typing out your opinions on the internet, because it's clearly working...you're on the way to changing the world!

12/4/2014 9:36:06 AM

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"my point - since you are clearly too dense to comprehend it - is that there is no evidence (based on statistics) that the death of unarmed minorities at the hands of racially-biased LEOs is a significant problem"

prove that point

12/4/2014 9:37:29 AM

uh, that's not how this works...the burden of proof isn't on me to prove a situation doesn't exist

12/4/2014 9:40:59 AM

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"Deadspin stopped at 5, I can rattle off way more."

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"hey, i'd appreciate it...and if you could generate a chart comparing it to the number of arrests that did NOT result in the killing of an unarmed black person, that'd be helpful "

Other than to downplay the issue of cops killing unarmed black people why would you need statistics? You're a ignorant fucking troll. I'm sure you are one of the poor americans that votes republican too.

12/4/2014 9:54:21 AM

Statistically since it doesn't happen much its a non issue.

Signed Dumbass

12/4/2014 10:01:58 AM

I do still wonder what arresting a person accused of selling looseys does?

At best, even if the officers found a pack of cigs. and some cash on him, I can't imagine how that could be used as evidence that he had looseys for sale. Seems like they could have given him a citation.

12/4/2014 10:02:02 AM

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"my point - since you are clearly too dense to comprehend it - is that there is no evidence (based on statistics) that the death of unarmed minorities at the hands of racially-biased LEOs is a significant problem"

obviously statistics don't tell the entire story of the specific circumstances.

12/4/2014 10:04:31 AM

He's a dumbass, I don't need statistics to prove that.

12/4/2014 10:05:50 AM

The number of unarmed black cops executed by white teens is shockingly low. Wake up America.

12/4/2014 10:26:51 AM

#notallniggers is way better than #crimingwhilewhite

Fuck white people. Stop stealing our shit

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12/4/2014 10:44:32 AM

Did you guys see where Rep. Peter King said in defense of the police that there was no way of knowing Eric Garner had a heath condition, and maybe if he wasn't so obese and asthmtic, he would have survived?


I mean, isn't that essentially saying "look bro, if you're not in shape enough to survive 3 grown men laying on you while one of then strangles the life out your fat ass....that's on you" ??!

12/4/2014 10:44:43 AM

They have to blame the victim, thats what Americans do (as long as the victim is a woman or minority)

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 10:55 AM. Reason : .]

12/4/2014 10:54:59 AM

Let me convince you that black lives matter by doing this live announcement with 3 black people behind me this time.

Damage control is in full effect folks

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12/4/2014 11:05:46 AM

Just like in Ferguson, immediately after it happened, they did every statement from in front of the burned out store, with at least 5 blacks standing behind them. "Look its not racist, I have blacks behind me"

12/4/2014 11:10:35 AM

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"Literally no one is saying that they are roving bands of racists hell bent on killing minorities."

Actually...Tavis Smiley basically said this very thing last night...

"It's open season, hunting season on black men"

12/4/2014 11:23:11 AM

More like its still open season

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12/4/2014 11:24:56 AM

^^ do they not teach you guys about hyperbole out on the cow farm?

12/4/2014 11:28:12 AM

The old Rabbit Season/Black Season debate.

I know how this is going to end.

12/4/2014 11:30:33 AM

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"^^ do they not teach you guys about hyperbole out on the cow farm?"

i don't know what they teach on a cow farm since I didn't grow up on one...

but I did learn about it in all of my honors English classes in high school and college



perhaps his statement was not meant to be taken literally, but he literally said it...


NyM410's statement was...

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"Literally no one is saying that they are roving bands of racists hell bent on killing minorities."

besides...i am, in no way, commenting on either case here....i'm merely commenting on NyM410's comment



[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM. Reason : asdfd]

12/4/2014 11:38:40 AM

i wish that there was a season for redneck idiots

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM. Reason : or maybe just flood everything east of the beltline, reserve beaches as outer banks]

12/4/2014 11:42:51 AM

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"But hey, if all they can dig up is 5 instances since 1951? I really don't think that is a bad track record"

Holy fuck the stupid is strong with this one.

12/4/2014 11:43:56 AM

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"perhaps his statement was not meant to be taken literally, but he literally said it..."

I thought the point was "who the fuck cares what Tavis Smiley thinks"

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12/4/2014 11:46:49 AM

i'll buy that


also...it took me a while to catch up on this thread, but i took a few minutes to count the number of "REAL" minority friends I have the other day....

I came up with 50ish in case that's supposed to mean anything


i must admit though....I am sorely lacking in the Asian department

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:54 AM. Reason : adsfd]

12/4/2014 11:48:17 AM

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" hey, i'd appreciate it...and if you could generate a chart comparing it to the number of arrests that did NOT result in the killing of an unarmed black person, that'd be helpful"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-many-americans-the-police-kill-each-year/



Nobody can directly answer your question because police departments across the nation have intentionally hidden those numbers from the FBI and department of justice. So it's not fair for you to demand these numbers as a defense of a policing institution that refuses to investigate itself, now is it?

12/4/2014 12:07:25 PM

Shouldn't NYPD officers have better things to do with their time than go after small time tax evaders. Because that is essentially what was happening here.

12/4/2014 12:20:23 PM

No because going after people for petty nonsense is what pays the bills for most police departments. Imagine if cops didn't do shit like set up speed traps at the bottom of hills to generate revenue. Or harass and kill a man for loose cigs.

12/4/2014 12:24:45 PM

the actually don't have anything better to do, despite it being safer now than almost any time before we have decided to employ more cops than ever. they have to find trivial things to justify their job, they have to keep their metrics looking good.

12/4/2014 12:27:17 PM

Do we know yet what charges were on the table?

The only way I see this being "ok" is if they were going for 2nd degree murder. If that is the only charge on the table, then the grand jury might have a hard time.

12/4/2014 12:29:59 PM

Grand juries fail to prosecute cops at an alarming rate because of politics, not evidence.


Prosecutors care about getting elected. A prosecutor can indict anyone, because they only have to present the grand jury their side of the story. That's why on a national level, prosecutors have an indictment percentage in the high 90s. But they don't when it comes to prosecuting cops, because they rely on the police department to provide them with evidence for their other cases. They also rely on campaign funding, which I'm sure the police unions and reps provide.

If a prosecutor indicts a cop, there is a high likelihood that he or she doesn't get re-elected. And that is obviously a problem.

12/4/2014 12:36:49 PM

In a Grand Jury all charges are on the table, because once they decide to not indict them there is no going back. The only way this cop ever faces a charge for that killing is if the feds bring him up on a civil rights charge. And for that to happen they have to have evidence that it was a race related killing.

12/4/2014 12:47:06 PM