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9/12/2005 10:10:11 AM

pilgrim,i guess your name is ben, let me know about that 7cs8 game for real

[Edited on September 12, 2005 at 10:18 AM. Reason : gdf]

9/12/2005 10:18:09 AM

This was the worst beat i have put on someone, strait flush on river vs. quads on river

***** Hand History for Game 2699889563 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 12, 17:26:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 54775 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Maximilian33 ( $20.47 )
Seat 5: jillypilly ( $48.15 )
Seat 6: johnrey ( $28.09 )
Seat 4: wiiiseguy ( $17.70 )
Seat 2: Outs_McMany ( $22.85 )
Seat 3: NE_Blizard ( $22.65 )
jillypilly posts small blind [$0.10].
johnrey posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to johnrey [ 3d 4d ]
Maximilian33 raises [$1].
Outs_McMany calls [$1].
NE_Blizard folds.
wiiiseguy folds.
jillypilly folds.
johnrey calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 2h, Td ]
johnrey checks.
Maximilian33 bets [$2].
Outs_McMany raises [$5].
johnrey calls [$5].
Maximilian33 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
johnrey checks.
Outs_McMany checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
johnrey is all-In [$22.09]
Outs_McMany is all-In [$16.85]
johnrey shows [ 3d, 4d ] a straight flush, five high.
Outs_McMany shows [ 2s, 2c ] four of a kind, twos.
johnrey wins $5.24 from side pot #1 with a straight flush, five high.
johnrey wins $46.40 from the main pot with a straight flush, five high.
DAAAAAMN

9/12/2005 5:31:19 PM

ugh, god, no matter how well i play, if i play online it's just one bad beat after another, and it's just not right how many bullshit cards i've seen fall and shitty ass hands beat me

i think i might be done with online poker for good

9/15/2005 6:39:02 PM

^i've noticed lately, at least for me, structured/limit holdem is more profitable

i believe pilgrim has mentioned this before. It seemed I would ALWAYS push all in and get sucked out by some lame 2 pair or straight.

If you do get a bad beat you don't lose that much and there are still plenty of calling stations for when you have the monster hand.

9/15/2005 7:06:26 PM

see, i've been playing limit for about 3 hours today, and i've lost 50

you know why? because in limit, people are like, "oh well, i might as well stay in, maybe i'll hit that hand"

and then they do hit that hand

over, and over, and over

i just can't do it, i'm playing correctly, I know I am, I just cannot consistantly win, because yesterday i went from 40-80, and then today 80-30

i just don't get how i'm SO unlucky online

and i'm playing correctly, I know I am, they are just so much luckier than I am

and you can't just fold anytime there is a possibility of a better hand out there, cause then you'll just always be pushed out unless you have the nuts


[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 7:12 PM. Reason : a]

9/15/2005 7:08:55 PM

did you ever think about quitting for a while? or switching tables? or casinos?

9/15/2005 7:13:41 PM

Quote :

"i just can't do it, i'm playing correctly, I know I am"

even if you are playing perfect, they still hit their draws the same amount of time.... the same amount of time that they should. (long run... realize your few hours of play is immensly miniscule..... also realize that variance dictates that even if the draw is 4:1 to hit, its not that improbable to hit it 2 or 3 times in a row....)

also realize that even if you are hyper aggro, flush draws get great odds.

Remember guys, that even AA has an EV of only 4.x big bets......



btw, if you were playing correctly, you know when to get away from hands.... thats number 1 in winning limit poker.

that and only drawing with odds.


you cant play limit and expect to win all the time.

you must play limit as a long term game....





(btw, prima 6-max and plo8 is soft as fuck)

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 8:33 PM. Reason : e]

and on the variance note, if you are playing 6-max limit, and aggressive as hell, your variance is huge..... the deviation goes way up

i mean +/-50BB swings arent that out of the norm.

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 8:35 PM. Reason : jajaja]

9/15/2005 8:33:13 PM

ok, serious question....

In a 8-10 hand cash game, what is the point of a late position min raise? I just got in a huge fight with a guy over it as I missed out on an 60+ dollar pot because of his crap.

Situation, I get QcJc in SB
2 limpers, then the button min raises, and I call. BB folds, and 1st limper bumps it to $6 (from $1) and the the other limper bumps it all in to 30+. so out the min raise and I bail, and other guy calls.

Flop was QQJ and the first limper had JJ. Other guy had A10.

The point of the min raise would be to "see where your hand is" or so thats what the guy i yelled at said. But that just doesn't compute with me.

Thoughts on the min raise?

9/19/2005 3:16:58 AM

truly horrible idea unless noone has played before you. it basically allows the blinds to call for cheap cause they are getting good pot odds to call and it gives everyone who played before you the chance to bump it again. very, very, very little value to the play.

9/19/2005 7:09:17 AM

^^ you know my thoughts on the min raise preflop.

many newbies often try and just min raise to slow play large pairs preflop in multiway pots. its a pretty bad idea.

If im playing online in late posiitoin, and someone min raises, ill call with anything and look to spike something or dump it.

However, I do like to min raise post flop in one single situation.

In Pot limit games, late position, very multiway pots. come in with a speculative hand preflop due to the amount of action before you, only if you can get in with no raises. ie, limping with something like 67suited on the button, with 4-5 players in. If you flop a weak draw, such as an inside straight draw. If checked to me, ill bet minimum, to build pot size for if i hit it. if its bet small to me, ill min raise out of spite if the raise comes from early position. once again, to build the pot size. In this situation, im also likely to min raise fromt he button with middling suited connectors, just to be able to jam the pot heavy if i hit. There is nothing worse than floppin a huge hand vulnerable to redraws, but only being able to put a few bucks in the pot due to it being too small. no way to protect.

This is vulnerable to the checkraise, but youve just got to accept that.

in pot limit games, pot control is about #4 on most important concepts.

9/19/2005 9:54:30 AM

These were my thoughts too. I've noticed 2 things in playing a lot of cash games on hollywood this past week (it's like they read it somewhere). If you are not sure about your hand, min raise, and if you have a big had in the first 3-4 positions, limp.

I never like to limp with a big hand online, or min raise, so neither play makes sense to me. Also, his argument (which was defended by others at the table) seemed moronic - How does a min raise tell you where your hand is when you're basically begging for a call?

9/19/2005 2:21:34 PM

Quote :

"it's like they read it somewhere"

Doyle Brunson, Super System

9/19/2005 2:32:10 PM

***** Hand History for Game 2739157935 *****
1/2 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Mon Sep 19 14:26:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 32379 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mack83 ( $45.50)
Seat 2: LostBandito ( $57)
Seat 3: bcscb ( $56.25)
Seat 4: buk19 ( $32)
Seat 5: rojobi ( $36)
Seat 6: Polarboo ( $25)
Seat 7: ludvig82 ( $50)
Seat 8: Amo_ergo_sum ( $62.75)
Seat 9: eaustad ( $107.75)
Seat 10: Jarcon86 ( $179)
Jarcon86 posts small blind (0.50)
mack83 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bcscb [ 9h, 9c ]
LostBandito folds.
bcscb calls (1)
buk19 folds.
rojobi calls (1)
Polarboo raises (2) to 2
Amo_ergo_sum folds.
eaustad calls (2)
Jarcon86 folds.
mack83 folds.
bcscb calls (1)
rojobi calls (1)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9d, 5s, 5h ]
bcscb checks.
rojobi checks.
Polarboo bets (1)
eaustad raises (2) to 2
bcscb raises (3) to 3
rojobi folds.
Polarboo folds.
eaustad calls (1)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ]
bcscb bets (2)
eaustad calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Qd ]
bcscb bets (2)
eaustad calls (2)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $23.50 | Rake: $1
Board: [ 9d 5s 5h 2c Qd ]
mack83 balance $44.50, lost $1 (folded)
LostBandito balance $57, didn't bet (folded)
bcscb balance $70.75, bet $9, collected $23.50, net +$14.50 [ 9h 9c ] [ a full house, Nines full of fives -- 9h,9c,9d,5s,5h ]
buk19 balance $32, didn't bet (folded)
rojobi balance $34, lost $2 (folded)
Polarboo balance $22, lost $3 (folded)
ludvig82 balance $50, sits out
Amo_ergo_sum balance $62.75, didn't bet (folded)
eaustad balance $98.75, lost $9 [ 4s 4c ] [ two pairs, fives and fours -- Qd,5s,5h,4s,4c ]
Jarcon86 balance $178.50, lost $0.50 (folded)



Could i have played this another way to get more money in the pot?


Or do you think, since i check raised the flop, that my only caller would have checked the turn if i had tried it again there.

9/19/2005 2:33:44 PM

i watched rounders the other night

9/19/2005 3:29:41 PM

^^^ never read any poker books, so I didn't know

[Edited on September 19, 2005 at 3:33 PM. Reason : ^]

9/19/2005 3:33:29 PM

^i have 2 great poker ebooks if you want them.


Insider Secrets to Online Poker (Theo Cage)

Winning Low limit holdem (Lee Jones)



And pilgrim, should I have cold called the flop with the fullhouse, then check raised the turn?


The more i think about it, check re-reraising was just like putting a big ass sign above me saying HEY I HAVE AT LEAST THE FIVE!!"

9/19/2005 3:41:25 PM

Thanks, but I read too much other stuff as it is (damn dissertation).

No time for fun reading

And a smooth call on your flop probably gets the other guy to call the original raise. So you may have been able to get some out of him later

[Edited on September 19, 2005 at 3:51 PM. Reason : k]

9/19/2005 3:50:39 PM

^^ i'd be interested in the limit book

9/19/2005 4:45:35 PM

i'd be interested in the limit book

[Edited on September 19, 2005 at 4:50 PM. Reason : 56ythhg]

9/19/2005 4:47:13 PM

Quote :

"Doyle Brunson, Super System"

outdated and no longer really applies to modern poker.

its a bit differnt also with brunson saying put a man to the test by betting heavy at him when youre playing 25 nl and not 5knl.

many other discrepancies.

(but the stud sections.. are still good... and the limit section has some good advice.. the nl section however.)

I plan on picking up ss2, but ive got about 5 2+2 books to finish before then... oh and school too. ahah

Quote :

"And pilgrim, should I have cold called the flop with the fullhouse, then check raised the turn?"

either way of playing that hand is fine. i probably would have just smooth called and hoped that the two of them got into a riasing war with you in the middle.

bet out the turn, of course, bet out the river. if you are certain hes got a five, maybe check raise... thats kinda a table decision.



hey Sean, check out this terrible hand i terribly misplayed.



PokerStars Game #2613672202: Tournament #12672299, Omaha Pot Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/09/19 - 16:38:14 (ET)
Table '12672299 14' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: yossie (3195 in chips)
Seat 2: pilgrimshoes (1450 in chips)
Seat 3: jessica79 (1850 in chips)
Seat 4: Helminen (1545 in chips)
Seat 5: stokie (1325 in chips)
Seat 6: robroy (2150 in chips)
Seat 7: Spellcast (3660 in chips)
Seat 8: deznuts (2410 in chips)
Seat 9: thewoop (1120 in chips)
Spellcast: posts small blind 25
deznuts: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [7s Jd Js Ac]
thewoop: calls 50
yossie: calls 50
pilgrimshoes: calls 50
jessica79: raises 275 to 325
Helminen: folds
stokie: folds
robroy: folds
Spellcast: folds
deznuts: folds
thewoop: calls 275
yossie: calls 275
pilgrimshoes: raises 1125 to 1450 and is all-in
jessica79: raises 400 to 1850 and is all-in
thewoop: calls 795 and is all-in
yossie: calls 1525
*** FLOP *** [Qd 8d Tc]
*** TURN *** [Qd 8d Tc] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 8d Tc Kh] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
yossie: shows [Kc 8s 8h Qc] (three of a kind, Eights)
jessica79: shows [4s 4d 6h Ah] (a pair of Fours)
yossie collected 800 from side pot-2
pilgrimshoes: shows [7s Jd Js Ac] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
pilgrimshoes collected 990 from side pot-1
thewoop: shows [Jc Qh 4c Jh] (a pair of Queens)
pilgrimshoes collected 4555 from main pot
tommyhawk is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6345 Main pot 4555. Side pot-1 990. Side pot-2 800. | Rake 0
Board [Qd 8d Tc Kh 7d]
Seat 1: yossie showed [Kc 8s 8h Qc] and won (800) with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 2: pilgrimshoes showed [7s Jd Js Ac] and won (5545) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: jessica79 showed [4s 4d 6h Ah] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: Helminen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: stokie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: robroy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Spellcast (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: deznuts (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: thewoop showed [Jc Qh 4c Jh] and lost with a pair of Queens


jessica79 was a total nutball, and had about what id expect her to have... i sure as fuck didnt want the other callers.

ahahahah


oh, and the lee jones book is good.

but above all, you must read warren and skansky's Small Stakes Hold'em. Updated for todays modern loooooooooosee play (esp. in casino limit holdem)

[Edited on September 19, 2005 at 4:55 PM. Reason : dfa]

9/19/2005 4:54:22 PM

^

[Edited on September 19, 2005 at 4:57 PM. Reason : 45rtgfd]

9/19/2005 4:56:35 PM

break time, 4th in chips in the 20+2 plo on stars. wooooooooooo


(maybe tonight i wont bust 1 out of the money) ahahahahah

9/19/2005 5:07:04 PM

^^^ They slightly overvalued those low PPs. Kind of an omaha constant for people unfamiliar with the game.

I wouldn't have pushed so hard with so many folks still in the tourney, but I probably would've reraised in your spot.

And their calls are really bad (and the over all in). I wouldn't call that even with the PP unless it's double suited, and maybe even double suited with an ace. Though If had a stronger hand like that or better, I'd have raised before you.

All in all though it worked out very well against the loose idiot. And I see the point of reraising all-in trying to suck him in, rather than having to call his all in after your reraise.

9/19/2005 5:27:53 PM

pssst.........



chip lead, with 24k, 2nd place has 13k.


37 remain.



i got my fingers crossed that i keep getting silly awesome cards

9/19/2005 5:32:21 PM

3rd break, final table, im low stack in 6th place. =(

ive got 25k with 1000/2000 blinds.

66k
59k
56k
33k
26k
25k

im not in that bad of shape.

guaranteed $177 cashout though, but id like to win for the full $1100

9/19/2005 7:21:52 PM

Some dude started singing "Crazy Game of Poker" by O.A.R. and we were all like "wow, you're original"

9/19/2005 7:27:32 PM

well, the tournament just ended, finished 2nd, for $708.

some wicked hands.... this was the one that made it go to heads up.....

PokerStars Game #2615249067: Tournament #12672299, Omaha Pot Limit - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2005/09/19 - 20:08:52 (ET)
Table '12672299 6' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: JLB74 (50668 in chips)
Seat 5: pilgrimshoes (96352 in chips)
Seat 6: KarlSpakler (118480 in chips)
KarlSpakler: posts small blind 3000
JLB74: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Kh 6s 3c 7s]
pilgrimshoes: folds
KarlSpakler: raises 12000 to 18000
JLB74: calls 12000
*** FLOP *** [9h 4c 9s]
KarlSpakler: bets 24000
JLB74: raises 8668 to 32668 and is all-in
KarlSpakler: calls 8668
*** TURN *** [9h 4c 9s] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [9h 4c 9s 5h] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KarlSpakler: shows [7d Qs Jc Qd] (a full house, Queens full of Nines)
JLB74: shows [9d 4h Kc Qh] (a full house, Nines full of Queens)
KarlSpakler collected 101336 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 101336 | Rake 0
Board [9h 4c 9s 5h Qc]
Seat 2: JLB74 (big blind) showed [9d 4h Kc Qh] and lost with a full house, Nines full of Queens
Seat 5: pilgrimshoes (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KarlSpakler (small blind) showed [7d Qs Jc Qd] and won (101336) with a full house, Queens full of Nines



wild.


so it goes heads up, hes 2:1 over me....


I catch some good hands, build up a stack, and then now I've got him >2:1....

PokerStars Game #2615314486: Tournament #12672299, Omaha Pot Limit - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2005/09/19 - 20:16:56 (ET)
Table '12672299 6' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: pilgrimshoes (188352 in chips)
Seat 6: KarlSpakler (77148 in chips)
pilgrimshoes: posts small blind 3000
KarlSpakler: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Qs 4h 3s 4d]
pilgrimshoes: raises 6000 to 12000
KarlSpakler: calls 6000
*** FLOP *** [9s 4c Jh]
KarlSpakler: checks
pilgrimshoes: bets 18000
KarlSpakler: raises 47148 to 65148 and is all-in
pilgrimshoes: calls 47148
*** TURN *** [9s 4c Jh] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [9s 4c Jh 8h] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KarlSpakler: shows [Jc Qd Tc 3h] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
pilgrimshoes: shows [Qs 4h 3s 4d] (three of a kind, Fours)
KarlSpakler collected 154296 from pot
pilgrimshoes said, "feck"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 154296 | Rake 0
Board [9s 4c Jh 8h 6c]
Seat 5: pilgrimshoes (button) (small blind) showed [Qs 4h 3s 4d] and lost with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 6: KarlSpakler (big blind) showed [Jc Qd Tc 3h] and won (154296) with a straight, Eight to Queen


pokenum -o qs 4h 3s 4d - jc qd tc 3h -- 9s 4c jh
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 9s 4c Jh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs 3s 4d 4h 561 68.41 259 31.59 0 0.00 0.684
Jc Tc Qd 3h 259 31.59 561 68.41 0 0.00 0.316

and that really turned the tide......

and the knock out punch 5 hands later.....
PokerStars Game #2615332629: Tournament #12672299, Omaha Pot Limit - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2005/09/19 - 20:19:10 (ET)
Table '12672299 6' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 5: pilgrimshoes (78204 in chips)
Seat 6: KarlSpakler (187296 in chips)
KarlSpakler: posts small blind 3000
pilgrimshoes: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [3c Js Qc Jh]
KarlSpakler: calls 3000
pilgrimshoes: raises 12000 to 18000
KarlSpakler: calls 12000
*** FLOP *** [5s 8d Qh]
pilgrimshoes: bets 25000
KarlSpakler: raises 65000 to 90000
pilgrimshoes: calls 35204 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5s 8d Qh] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [5s 8d Qh 6h] [3d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pilgrimshoes: shows [3c Js Qc Jh] (two pair, Queens and Threes)
KarlSpakler: shows [8s 5d 8h 6s] (three of a kind, Eights)
KarlSpakler collected 156408 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 156408 | Rake 0
Board [5s 8d Qh 6h 3d]
Seat 5: pilgrimshoes (big blind) showed [3c Js Qc Jh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Threes
Seat 6: KarlSpakler (button) (small blind) showed [8s 5d 8h 6s] and won (156408) with three of a kind, Eights


And thats the difference between $1100, and $700.

im kinda more upset for not winning than the money. I made a glorious comeback, from being shortstack with 7 to go, to having a 2:1 chip lead heads up....

9/19/2005 8:29:18 PM

^ Well met Ben. Sorry you didn't get the whole thing, but sounds like you played really well.

Mean while, Mr. Min Raise cost me again. I limped with A9 of clubs with (ironically again) from one to the right of the button after 3 callers, I have $27, 25/50 blinds.
Button min raises.
blinds call as does the 1st limper from UTG
2nd limper who was in 3rd position goes all in, over $30
Other limper bails, as do I. Min raiser calls this time, everyone else folds
Min raiser has AJ off, All in has pocket 10s

I'd have flopped the nut flush. But in this case, the pocket 10s hold up.

Bastards.

9/19/2005 10:33:22 PM

placed 43rd in a 1700 player tournament on partypoker just now. thats my best finish in 4 tournaments so far, so i guess its progress. i'd played pretty well up till i lost, and even then it wasn't that bad. had pocket 9's against a guy who'd been raising all night, so i said fuck it. he had pocket queens and caught another one on the flop just for good measure.

9/19/2005 11:31:04 PM

Dealt to jackleg512 [9s 9d]
*** FLOP *** [9h Qd 3h]
Bomber87: bets 2740 and is all-in

9/20/2005 1:12:33 AM

^^^ You were right to fold a hand that was a severe underdog to both your opponents hands. Yes I realize this offer little comfort, but that's poker

9/20/2005 6:28:55 PM

^ ummm... duh

9/20/2005 7:00:49 PM

PokerStars Game #2625479466: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/09/21 - 01:30:10 (ET)
Table 'Padua III' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Yeshua_Won ($195.80 in chips)
Seat 2: BIG BULL ($71.40 in chips)
Seat 3: Ananas ($105.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Fathead2 ($95.80 in chips)
Seat 5: outlaw ($229.60 in chips)
Seat 6: unkypunky ($87.05 in chips)
Seat 7: Yoda sc ($22.90 in chips)
Seat 8: pilgrimshoes ($75.45 in chips)
Seat 9: BIGGBEAST ($17 in chips)
Yoda sc: posts small blind $0.50
pilgrimshoes: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Ks 6s Jd Jh]
BIGGBEAST: calls $1
Yeshua_Won: folds
BIG BULL: folds
Ananas: folds
Fathead2: calls $1
outlaw: calls $1
unkypunky: folds
Yoda sc: calls $0.50
pilgrimshoes: checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc Js 5s]
Yoda sc: checks
pilgrimshoes: checks
BIGGBEAST: checks
Fathead2: checks
outlaw: checks
*** TURN *** [Jc Js 5s] [2d]
Yoda sc: checks
pilgrimshoes: bets $2
BIGGBEAST: folds
Fathead2: raises $5 to $7
outlaw: folds
Yoda sc: folds
pilgrimshoes: raises $5 to $12
Fathead2: calls $5
*** RIVER *** [Jc Js 5s 2d] [2c]
pilgrimshoes: bets $11
Fathead2: raises $49.60 to $60.60
pilgrimshoes: raises $1.85 to $62.45 and is all-in
Fathead2: calls $1.85
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pilgrimshoes: shows [Ks 6s Jd Jh] (HI: four of a kind, Jacks)
Fathead2: mucks hand
pilgrimshoes collected $150.90 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $153.90 | Rake $3
Board [Jc Js 5s 2d 2c]
Seat 1: Yeshua_Won folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: BIG BULL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ananas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Fathead2 mucked [Th 3c 2s 2h]
Seat 5: outlaw folded on the Turn
Seat 6: unkypunky (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Yoda sc (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: pilgrimshoes (big blind) showed [Ks 6s Jd Jh] and won ($150.90) with HI: four of a kind, Jacks
Seat 9: BIGGBEAST folded on the Turn


To bad I had just lost the previous hand.. wish i had more chips. =/

i was in violation of my rule, not to have less than the max buy in =/

9/21/2005 1:36:49 AM

Just had a hand that kills me in a live game.....I have AK suited...we are playing in a $10 buyin game, but it started with 9 people, and there have been rebuys and new people added. Well after about 5 hours of play, its gotten down to heads up. I have the mentioned AK suited. There is $190 between us. I have $120 of it, the other guy has $70. I have AK suited, and I raise $5 preflop....blinds are .5/$1. I get reraised $10.....I call. Flop comes J3J. I check, he bets $15...I really dont put him on a J or A3(one of the only hands he could maybe call me with. A3suited.) i go all in, just trying to win the money out there, cause I know he has shit based on playing with in. Well he calls me, with A4......river is shit, turn is.....YEP! a fucking 4. How he calls around $85 with ace high, 4 kicker, I will never know.

9/21/2005 2:34:55 AM

this one isn't mine, but a friend of mine once played poker at Foxwoods (in CT) for 36 hours straight...he went there on friday afternoon and played nonstop till late saturday night...ended up winning about enough to pay for a room there on saturday

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9/22/2005 11:21:49 AM

Quote :

"Just had a hand that kills me in a live game.....I have AK suited...we are playing in a $10 buyin game, but it started with 9 people, and there have been rebuys and new people added. Well after about 5 hours of play, its gotten down to heads up. I have the mentioned AK suited. There is $190 between us. I have $120 of it, the other guy has $70. I have AK suited, and I raise $5 preflop....blinds are .5/$1. I get reraised $10.....I call. Flop comes J3J. I check, he bets $15...I really dont put him on a J or A3(one of the only hands he could maybe call me with. A3suited.) i go all in, just trying to win the money out there, cause I know he has shit based on playing with in. Well he calls me, with A4......river is shit, turn is.....YEP! a fucking 4. How he calls around $85 with ace high, 4 kicker, I will never know. "

what about a pocket pair?

9/22/2005 11:22:50 AM

^^^ slick moves on bad players is a bad move in itself.

9/22/2005 12:38:09 PM

pocket pair, or AJ? I'd put him on AJ before A3.

9/22/2005 12:54:06 PM

yeah i would've thought at least QQ

9/22/2005 2:28:33 PM

Two 50+5 SnG's with killer bad beats on both. I won about 130-150 at 1/2 limit holdem yesterday and figure'd I would get creative and reward myself with some decent stakes tournaments. It was a disaster.

***** Hand History for Game 2754102318 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 15957999) - Thu Sep 22 00:57:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 22352 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: seefat (830)
Seat 2: akajet (1150)
Seat 3: TEPMEHATOP (975)
Seat 4: DanCur (970)
Seat 5: Sabre2_190 (985)
Seat 6: DoubleD3333 (1140)
Seat 7: F_E_Felsen (1030)
Seat 8: kozel (1000)
Seat 9: schoeyshow23 (920)
Seat 10: bcscb (1000)
DoubleD3333 posts small blind (10)
F_E_Felsen posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bcscb [ As, Ah ]
kozel folds.
schoeyshow23 folds.
bcscb raises (60) to 60
seefat folds.
akajet folds.
TEPMEHATOP folds.
DanCur folds.
Sabre2_190 folds.
DoubleD3333 calls (50)
F_E_Felsen calls (45)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, Qc, 3c ]
DoubleD3333 checks.
F_E_Felsen checks.
bcscb bets (70)
DoubleD3333 folds.
F_E_Felsen raises (140) to 140
bcscb calls (70)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
F_E_Felsen checks.
bcscb checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Qd ]
F_E_Felsen bets (300)
bcscb calls (300)
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1060
Board: [ Qs Qc 3c Kc Qd ]
seefat balance 830, didn't bet (folded)
akajet balance 1150, didn't bet (folded)
TEPMEHATOP balance 975, didn't bet (folded)
DanCur balance 970, didn't bet (folded)
Sabre2_190 balance 985, didn't bet (folded)
DoubleD3333 balance 1080, lost 60 (folded)
F_E_Felsen balance 1590, bet 500, collected 1060, net +560 [ Qh 9h ] [ four of a kind, queens -- Kc,Qh,Qs,Qc,Qd ]
kozel balance 1000, didn't bet (folded)
schoeyshow23 balance 920, didn't bet (folded)
bcscb balance 500, lost 500 [ As Ah ] [ a full house, Queens full of aces -- As,Ah,Qs,Qc,Qd

**** Hand History for Game 2754197923 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 15957999) - Thu Sep 22 01:15:22 EDT 2005
Table Table 22352 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: seefat (1270)
Seat 2: akajet (950)
Seat 3: TEPMEHATOP (930)
Seat 4: DanCur (1260)
Seat 5: Sabre2_190 (685)
Seat 6: DoubleD3333 (1250)
Seat 7: F_E_Felsen (1810)
Seat 8: kozel (1390)
Seat 10: bcscb (455)
bcscb posts small blind (15)
seefat posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bcscb [ Jc, Jd ]
akajet folds.
TEPMEHATOP folds.
DanCur folds.
Sabre2_190 folds.
DoubleD3333 folds.
F_E_Felsen folds.
kozel folds.
bcscb raises (85) to 100
seefat calls (70)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4h, Qc, 5s ]
bcscb bets (155)
seefat raises (310) to 310
bcscb raises (200) to 355
bcscb is all-In.
seefat calls (45)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Qd ]
Creating Main Pot with $910 with bcscb
** Summary **
Main Pot: 910 |
Board: [ 4h Qc 5s 9h Qd ]
seefat balance 1725, bet 455, collected 910, net +455 [ Qs Jh ] [ three of a kind, queens -- Qs,Qc,Qd,Jh,9h ]
akajet balance 950, didn't bet (folded)
TEPMEHATOP balance 930, didn't bet (folded)
DanCur balance 1260, didn't bet (folded)
Sabre2_190 balance 685, didn't bet (folded)
DoubleD3333 balance 1250, didn't bet (folded)
F_E_Felsen balance 1810, didn't bet (folded)
kozel balance 1390, didn't bet (folded)
bcscb balance 0, lost 455 [ Jc Jd ] [ two pairs, queens and jacks -- Qc,Qd,Jc,Jd,9h ]

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***** Hand History for Game 2754423781 *****
150/300 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 15959126) - Thu Sep 22 02:03:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 11739 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: dianaqueen (2135)
Seat 5: Final_Nuts (1380)
Seat 7: ryanf3 (3000)
Seat 8: justdoit23us (2030)
Seat 9: bcscb (1455)
ryanf3 posts small blind (75)
justdoit23us posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bcscb [ Kh, Ks ]
bcscb raises (500) to 500
ryanf3: HAD QQ
dianaqueen raises (2135) to 2135
dianaqueen is all-In.
Final_Nuts: it doesn't matter... i had a good hand.... and u bluffed....
Final_Nuts folds.
ryanf3 folds.
Final_Nuts: people who have a good hand.... show
Final_Nuts: u did not have shit
justdoit23us folds.
bcscb calls (955)
bcscb is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $3135 with bcscb
Creating Side Pot 1 with $680 with dianaqueen
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, Qd, Jc ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3135 | Side Pot 1: 680
Board: [ Ts Qd Jc 6d 3d ]
dianaqueen balance 3815, bet 2135, collected 3815, net +1680 [ Kd Ah ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ah,Kd,Qd,Jc,Ts ]
Final_Nuts balance 1380, didn't bet (folded)
ryanf3 balance 2925, lost 75 (folded)
justdoit23us balance 1880, lost 150 (folded)
bcscb balance 0, lost 1455 [ Kh Ks ] [ a pair of kings -- Kh,Ks,Qd,Jc,Ts ]

[Edited on September 22, 2005 at 4:50 PM. Reason : forgot the Quads vs Rockets]

9/22/2005 4:45:40 PM

and on a side note.

Quote :

" Lesson: 27 How Bad are the Beats? Steve Brecher September 19, 2005 While playing on Full Tilt Poker, I have said that there are three topics I won't discuss in table chat; politics, religion, and whether online poker is rigged. That's because many people's opinions on those topics are hardened and not amenable to friendly or productive discussion. Away from the table, I'll venture a couple of comments about improbable events in poker. While not direct instruction in the tactics and strategy of play, these comments may help you take "bad beats" in stride -- and that, in turn, is an essential part of poker maturity. First, let's consider what most would view as a typical "bad beat" -- a lower pocket pair winning against a higher pocket pair in hold 'em, such as KK beating AA. When those hands share one suit, the chance of the worse hand winning is about 18%. The chance of the lower pair winning twice -- that is, the next two times that such hands happen to go against each other -- is about 3%. If in one session of play, a lower pocket pair beat a higher pocket pair twice, that might seem a little, well, weird to some players. Consider another situation involving chance. When two dice are thrown, the chance of rolling "snake eyes" (1-1) is about 3% -- about the same as a lower pocket pair beating a higher pocket pair twice. Suppose there were 600 craps tables using standard, unaltered dice with nine players around each table -- a total of 5,400 players -- and these tables operated for a three-hour "session." How many players would observe snake eyes being thrown at least once? The statistical expectation result is not important. The point is that it's easy to intuitively see that a large number of players would. Further, do you think some players might see snake eyes thrown several times in an evening -- say, three or four times? (That is equivalent to six or eight poker "bad beats.") And if some of those players would be inclined to report their observation on forums and in chat, then it might seem to some as if the dice were "fixed." Let's go back to poker. Recently, I played a hand of No-Limit Hold 'Em on Full Tilt Poker. An opponent four seats in front of the button open-raised pre-flop. It was folded around to me in the big blind, and I called. I semi-bluff check-raised the flop, continued with a semi-bluff bet on the turn, was raised all-in, and called the raise. I made my draw on the river. After the hand my opponent chatted: opponent: ur horrible steve opponent: why the [****] did u call that? opponent: horrible that this site rewards that (Confidential to opponent: I know these comments were made in the heat of the moment after a big loss and don't necessarily reflect your considered view.) Let's take a look at my call on the turn. I held Ad Td; my opponent held Kd Kc. The board was Qd 9d 7h Jc. With my opponent's actual holding, I had 16 outs to win the pot on the river, making me a 1.75 to 1 underdog. Of course, it could have been worse for me against other holdings, but even the worst case for me would have been to be up against K-T (a made straight), and then I would have been only a 3 to 1 underdog. After my bet and the opponent's all in-raise, I was getting pot odds of 3.7 to 1 to call, so the call is clearly correct. But it seemed to my opponent -- and to at least one observer -- that I made a bad call, and that my winning with a 36% chance to do so when I called was a bad beat for my opponent. The moral of this story: While "bad beats" (low-probability events) do occur, sometimes a closer examination of a poker hand can change first impressions and allow you to continue to play with a cooler, clearer head"

9/22/2005 4:53:55 PM

so after all this online play, what are yall? +/- and how much?

9/22/2005 9:59:33 PM

haha, i stopped playing after being 100 down, i just kept falling to ^^ way too much, and it would get to the point where i wasn't having any fun...so what's the point

9/22/2005 10:02:44 PM

^^ +

i dont want to say how much.

lets just say that this year as afforded many luxuries.

That $500 in january has gone a long way.


^it takes a very, very long time to make sure that you are a positive player.

When you first start out, you really sould spent ~75% of your time studying your game. Be that through books or statistical analysis, tthats up to you.

To this day I probably spend more time studying hands, stats, and books than I do playing.

Also, if you are only willing to have a starting roll of $100, you shouldnt even consider playing anywhere unless you are playing $0.25/$0.50 limit..... if you are serious about becomming a winning player. The games are frustratingly silly, so many silly calls etc, but it will teach you everything about long term odds. AS you move up youll see similarities at every level you play. The crappy micro limits play just like 2/4 limit in casinos...



"bad beats" is such a misnomer.


the only way to play holdem online successfully is painfully boring at times. mix it up, play some 6-max (these can be incredibly profitable), learn a new game, go donk it up in cheap stud, anything to keep you from getting too bored.

(ive been obsessed with plo8 as of late, and have come to think that it may infact be much much more stable and profitable BB/100 wise than nlhe)


i need to quit rambling and get back to studying.. haahah

[Edited on September 22, 2005 at 10:25 PM. Reason : wqertwertwertqret]

9/22/2005 10:17:51 PM

i think im up....I'm just starting to consistantly take down pots at limit holdem.


Not THAT bad for only learning holdem a month or two ago O_o

9/22/2005 10:23:14 PM

after being down $200, i'm up $125 at the moment

i lost the 200 at NL, then made it back at PL. i think i know where i'll stay

[Edited on September 22, 2005 at 10:27 PM. Reason : .]

9/22/2005 10:25:10 PM

the worst is days where you are down 4 figures. ahahah

It totally kills your mood.


(thank fuck ive only had 2 of those)

9/22/2005 10:27:29 PM

I just don't want to get into it anymore, I know that if I keep pumping money into it, i'll probably keep losing it. I guess I just rely heavily on the live part of the game to make my decisions to hold/fold, so playing online completely removes that from the equation.

9/23/2005 9:34:12 AM

I was pulling out $500 every 3 months. I have not these last 3 months, bit of a down turn and fought to get it back to something respectable in my bank and I have not played as much. But the 9 months before i pulled out 1500.

9/23/2005 10:12:43 AM