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"Are you still looking for the proof that WTC 7 was brought down in a controlled demolition, mr joshua?"

I am

I read through this and someone used your evidence and showed how the picture you used had been taken out of context and misinterpreted. Could you refute that? (I mean I know you can't, but what is your response)

7/11/2006 6:17:59 PM

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"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

7/11/2006 6:22:47 PM

How long till he points out that the MSM is silencing todays terrorist attack in Chicago?

7/11/2006 7:22:11 PM

Instructor says Cheney behind 9/11 attacks
javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/education/2006/07/12/wollering.wi.university.911.controversy.wmtv','2006/07/26');

How is the MSM covering up anything if they are reporting the same stories that you do?

7/12/2006 2:31:40 PM

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/delonge%20offers%20911%20conspiracy%20theory%20on%20radio%20show_1002234

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"DeLONGE OFFERS 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORY ON RADIO SHOW July 12, 2006 Outspoken punk star TOM DeLONGE has gone public with his conspiracy theories about the 9/11 terrorist attacks on a San Diego, California, radio show. Guest hosting a show on the city's 91X network recently, the former BLINK 182 star offered his own opinions about the 2001 atrocities as he chatted with Scholars For 9/11 Truth founder JAMES FETZER. DeLonge said, "It (World Trade Center) came down in a fashion similar to a controlled demolition. "The expertise that is needed to fly those gigantic planes into that exact location could never have been achieved by someone who just learned how to fly a small plane.""

Remember, only those who disagree with the government and MSM "official" story believe in a "conspiracy theory." Never mind that the official story is also a conspiracy theory...a theory of a conspiracy by 19 camel jockeys and an evil genius in a cave.

7/12/2006 5:07:25 PM

so you're citing washed up pop-punk stars now?

7/12/2006 5:25:09 PM

based on what people believe about conspiracies...the official story is NOT a conspiracy thoery...i dont care what merriam webster says...

stop using the recommended prisonplanet/conspiracy theorists tactice to try to cast doubt on the official story...we all know that all you conspiracy theorists are siting out there saying to each other "hey...lets call the official story a conspiracy too!!" ... thats why every third post you make says "the REAL conspiracy theorists are the ones in the government"...give it a rest

7/12/2006 5:47:49 PM

Is it still a fallacy when your appeal to authority involves Tom Delonge?

7/12/2006 5:56:32 PM

Good read...

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_jay_esbe_060713_in_defense_of_the_co.htm

Quote :

"In defense of the conspiratorial world view July 13, 2006 by Jay Esbe http://www.opednews.com [...] Current polls now show that a majority of Americans believe the government is not telling them the truth about 9-11. That fact now makes the majority of Americans "conspiracy theorists" regarding the issue. It is now a minority of the public who believes they were told the truth by the Bush appointed 9-11 Commission, but such is not the case among the so-called "mainstream media". It is nearly universally hostile to any question of a cover-up by the government. [...] Self-proclaimed debunkers pull out every trick in the book to discredit the now flourishing "9-11 Truth movement"; pointing out the most improbable theories as though they were representative (straw men), pointing out the unrelated UFO believers who may also believe them, all in an attempt to portray "idiocy by association" and to make a soup so thick with the stench of lunacy, that anyone who dares tread in it is sullied by association. [...] Public opinion outside the United States is statistically overwhelming of the view that the attacks of September 11th were an inside job. It's not that the rest of the world is worthy of being labeled "paranoid" that they should have arrived at such a consensus. They are simply not subject to the social forces and media which would prevent such a first question and conclusion. We are currently residing in a kind of peril most Americans are unaware of. Although the rampant law breaking of George W. Bush is openly discussed, the notion that a demonstratedly criminal administration would commit every crime imaginable and lie about virtually everything with the sole exception of the one event that enables them to continue to commit the crimes, is still something which will result in rabid a attacks on anyone who dares to ask the obvious question. The nationalistic intimidation campaign we've all witnessed after September 11th continues, although crippled by the exposures regarding Iraq and the so-called "intelligence failures", and 9-11 is the last taboo question remaining which can still get you fired from your job or simply ordered off a television news interview if you dare to ask."

7/13/2006 5:13:43 PM

i like how all that dude's evidence and proof are polls and supposed international views of our country

7/13/2006 5:18:06 PM

So why don't pull out some of the evidence that convinced all of those people?

All that you do now is post editorials by bloggers about how the 9/11 truth movement is winning. Are you trying to convince people simply by showing them that you are on the bandwagon?

Same questions....34 pages later...

Who is avoiding a rational argument?

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

Quote :

"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the Revolutionary War?

Do you even know anything about american history? To say that the Civil War was caused simply by "illuminati agitators" is to ignore almost every detail of the decades that preceded the conflict.

Can we get some proof that John Wilkes Booth was an agent of the NWO rather than an upset Confederate sympathizer?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

7/13/2006 5:27:40 PM

opednews? interesting how opinion/editorials are now factual/concrete

btw, any else notice that salisbury is post spamming? he hasnt addressed a single question asked.

[Edited on July 13, 2006 at 5:28 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2006 5:28:15 PM

you have to understand....in salis's world...opinions and ideas ARE concrete proof

7/13/2006 5:53:54 PM

and concrete proof is propaganda

7/13/2006 6:34:26 PM

Quote :

"opednews? interesting how opinion/editorials are now factual/concrete"

Of course it's an opinion. I'm not presenting that and other opinions as evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. I'm merely presenting those to demonstrate that many people hold such a view.

The fact that 9/11 was an inside job is proven by the physical evidence--including the demolition of 3 WTC buildings, etc.

Keep trying to set up those strawmen.


And here's a good article by Morgan Reynolds on why many people still refuse to consider that 9/11 may have been an inside job:

Conspiracy and Closed Minds on 9/11
http://www.nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=closed_minds_on_911

7/17/2006 1:12:16 PM

o< o<

7/17/2006 1:42:04 PM

Quote :

"The fact that 9/11 was an inside job is proven by the physical evidence--including the demolition of 3 WTC buildings, etc."

The blurry pictures and creative interpretation of quotes have yet to prove anything.

Your evidence has been refuted.

Conspiracy and Closed Minds on 9/11

That might be the dumbest thing that I have ever read.

7/17/2006 2:04:42 PM

i call BULLSH!T on this conspiracy madness. people even said that the civil war was a conspiracy by the Queen of England. it's BULLSH!T propagated by liberals with creative minds.

7/17/2006 4:09:26 PM

hahahah, sals is far from being a liberal. more like far-right isolationists and other wack-jobs.

7/17/2006 4:44:03 PM

more like NWO RESISTOR - WARRIOR CLASS!!!!

durrrr

7/17/2006 5:12:23 PM

Yet another hit piece against those questioning the official story...

http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/9800

Quote :

"'9/11 Truth' movement: Just weird to completely insane July 18, 2006 Scripps News By PAUL C. CAMPOS Recently I wrote a column that included an offhand comment about how I was pretty sure people who believed the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 terror attacks were pathetic lunatics living in basements whose Web sites got 10 hits per day. I've since heard from many such people, assuring me that they don't live in basements, that they aren't crazy and that their Web sites are very popular. I was also encouraged to check out the "9/11 Truth" movement, for what I was assured was conclusive evidence of an unspeakably evil government plot. Having done so, I've discovered a number of interesting things. First, the 9/11 Truth movement features a wide variety of claims, ranging from the quite plausible (the government's negligence prior to the attacks was not wholly displeasing to certain members of the Bush administration), to the wildly improbable (the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolitions), to the certifiably insane."

Yeah, how CRRRAAAAZY of those people to say that WTC 7...or the twin towers...were brought down with explosives! Those people need to be put in a mental hospital.

7/18/2006 5:11:37 PM

You do need to be put in a hospital.

7/18/2006 5:15:21 PM

Its not a hit piece (as you like to label everything that contradicts your beliefs), he actually has some things to say in the defense of the 9/11 truth movement. Stop being so hostile to everyone who has a different opinion than you and provide evidence instead of repeating the same tired statements and posting articles about discrimination against conspiracy theorists. Is your new tactic to post articles like this (which isn't even from a mainstream news source) in the hopes that it will generate sympathy for you?

Quote :

"Indeed, the most noteworthy aspect of the movement is its almost-complete invisibility in the mainstream media. For example, my own ignorance can be explained by such facts as that, as far as I could discover, The New York Times has run exactly one story that even mentions the movement's central claim: that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition (the story immediately dismissed this as absurd). Which leads me to suggest a little theory of my own: Suppose that on Sept. 11, 2001, Al Gore had been president. Suppose further that Saddam Hussein had plotted to kill Gore's father. And suppose that from the first days of the Gore administration, plans had been drawn up to invade Iraq. My guess is that, within a few months, some of the less obviously crazy 9/11 Truth types would have found a forum for their theories on the Wall Street Journal's editorial page. The more unhinged advocates would start popping up on Fox News specials with titles such as "9/11: What Really Happened?" In the blogosphere, academics like Glenn Reynolds would post chin-scratching ruminations, demanding a "truly independent investigation of these troubling charges," which would in turn inspire demagogues of the Michelle Malkin variety to screech nonstop about "the biggest cover-up in American history." All this would bully journalists into writing "balanced" stories about even the nuttiest allegations, in an attempt to counter right-wing charges regarding how "liberal media bias" was keeping such allegations from getting the serious attention they deserved. And, eventually, 38 percent of the public would believe Al Gore blew up the World Trade Center. How's that for a conspiracy theory?"

Now lets have a rational conversation instead of you quote bombing articles that have nothing to do with your argument...

Same questions....34 pages later...

Who is avoiding a rational argument?

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

Quote :

"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the Revolutionary War?

Do you even know anything about american history? To say that the Civil War was caused simply by "illuminati agitators" is to ignore almost every detail of the decades that preceded the conflict.

Can we get some proof that John Wilkes Booth was an agent of the NWO rather than an upset Confederate sympathizer?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

What about the train bombing in Mumbai? Was that a government inside job? Whenever muslim terrorists attack western interests you immediately blame it on the zionists, what about this one?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

7/18/2006 5:51:53 PM

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

7/18/2006 6:12:20 PM

Fox News - 911 The Israeli Connection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe26MaTew&search=fox%20news

7/19/2006 12:21:35 PM

What about the train bombing in Mumbai? Was that a government inside job? Whenever muslim terrorists attack western interests you immediately blame it on the zionists, what about this one?

7/19/2006 1:14:30 PM

^ dude, just stfu already. really.

7/19/2006 4:16:39 PM

i sure hope you forgot an extra ^

7/19/2006 5:23:54 PM

Quote :

"Whenever muslim terrorists attack western interests you immediately blame it on the zionists, what about this one?"

Whenever a "terrorist" attack on western interests occurs, you (upon the direction of the government and MSM) immediately blame it on the muslims.

7/19/2006 5:35:25 PM

it was muslims

7/19/2006 5:42:49 PM

Quote :

"Whenever a "terrorist" attack on western interests occurs, you (upon the direction of the government and MSM) immediately blame it on the muslims."

I haven't blamed it on muslim extremists, although that is the most likely suspect given the geopolitical history of the region over the past 60 years.

Now please answer my question, was this a legitimate attack by a terrorist group or was it another one of your zionist false flag operations?

7/19/2006 5:55:41 PM

Quote :

"I haven't blamed it on muslim extremists, although that is the most likely suspect given the geopolitical history of the region over the past 60 years."

Oh, so some examples of these alleged "muslim terrorist attacks" would be the Lavon Affair and the bombing of the King David Hotel, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Quote :

"Lavon Affair The Lavon Affair refers to the scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Suzannah, in which U.S. and U.K. targets in Egypt were bombed and evidence left implicating the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood; a textbook example of a false flag operation. It became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign because of the incident...""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

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"King David Hotel bombing King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun —a militant Zionist group (what nowadays is commonly known as terrorist group). The Irgun, dressed as Arabs, exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). 91 people were killed, most of them civilians: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured."

And let's not forget about the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (which was probably originally intended to be blamed on Egypt).

It's not like there is a history of the Zionists carrying out "false flag" attacks and blaming muslims. NO. NOT AT ALL.


[Edited on July 20, 2006 at 12:28 PM. Reason : 2]

7/20/2006 12:19:22 PM

Thats great. You've posted the same thing many times before.

Quote :

"Now please answer my question, was this a legitimate attack by a terrorist group or was it another one of your zionist false flag operations?"

7/20/2006 1:56:01 PM

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too. Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

please answer the question

7/20/2006 10:29:47 PM

Quote :

"wait, I thought the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile and the WTC was a military job, too"

Where did I ever say the US military carried out the WTC attack on 9/11? I didn't. You must have heard that from someone else.

Quote :

"Why would their be any need to control the US military's computer network and mess up military "protection" if the US military, itself, was doing the attack?"

Higher ups in the US military may have been "in" on the attack, but the vast majority of those within the military were not. Some manufactured "problem" was needed to serve as the excuse for the problems encountered by NORAD, the FAA, and the Air Force in responding to the hijackings--such as the drills of hijackings on the morning of 9/11. Possible tampering with the U.S. military computer networks would serve a similar purpose.

7/21/2006 12:28:51 PM

Quote :

"Now please answer my question, was this [Mumbai bombing] a legitimate attack by a terrorist group or was it another one of your zionist false flag operations?"

7/21/2006 12:30:40 PM

What's the frequency, Kenneth, or should I just call you salisburyboy?!

7/21/2006 1:14:48 PM

45 pages of bullsh!t. THERE WAS NO CONSPIRACY !!!!

7/21/2006 11:08:45 PM

Quote :

"THERE WAS NO CONSPIRACY !!!!"

You mean even the "official" story doesn't involve a conspiracy? Them 19 camel jockeys who couldn't pilot a Cessna and the evil genius in the cave didn't conspire to commit the 9/11 attacks?

Call me crazy, a "conspiracy theorist"...*GASP* ... or whatever you want...but I think some group of people conspired to pull off 9/11. It's just a matter of who was involved in the conspiracy.



HOLY SHIT!!! 9/11 WAS A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!

7/22/2006 11:30:46 AM

Quote :

"You mean even the "official" story doesn't involve a conspiracy?"

Is that the new defense that you will parrot whenever anyone calls you a conspiracy theorist? You know exactly what he meant.

Quote :

"Them 19 camel jockeys who couldn't pilot a Cessna and the evil genius in the cave didn't conspire to commit the 9/11 attacks?"

So do you think that arabs are incompetent?

7/22/2006 12:38:21 PM

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

- - Mahatma Ghandi


I think were transitioning into the fighting--violent opposition stage...


http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2006/07/22/news/doc44c122f894e14356560199.txt

Quote :

"Lawmakers want prof fired over 9/11 theory Friday, July 21, 2006 By Associated Press MADISON, Wis. -- More than 60 state lawmakers are urging the University of Wisconsin-Madison to fire an instructor who has argued that the U.S. government orchestrated the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. A letter sent Thursday and signed by 52 Assembly representatives and nine state senators condemns a decision to let Kevin Barrett teach an introductory class on Islam this fall. UW-Madison Provost Pat Farrell launched a review after Barrett spoke last month on a talk show about his views that the terrorist attacks were the result of a government conspiracy to spark war in the Middle East."

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/7/prweb414099.htm

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"FOX Commentator Threatens 9/11 Activist O'Reilly suggests he should be "floating in the river" Duluth, MN (PRWEB) July 21, 2006 -- Bill O'Reilly, the host of "The O'Reilly Factor" on the Fox News Channel, has suggested that Kevin Barrett, an outspoken 9/11 truth activist, belongs "in the Charles River floating down". James H. Fetzer, founder and co-chair of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, a non-partisan society of more than 300 members dedicated to exposing falsehoods and revealing truths about 9/11, said that the absence of response from the FCC, Fox News, and the national media speaks volumes about the state of the nation. "When public threats can be made to a citizen's life for expressing his opinions on a controversial topic and neither the government nor the media respond," he observed, "that is a sure sign we are living in a fascist state.""

7/22/2006 1:02:29 PM

Just like you did the last time that you posted an article about the exact same story, you left out the important stuff in the article that doesn't support your idea of the NWO cracking down on independent thought:

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"UW-Madison Provost Pat Farrell launched a review after Barrett spoke last month on a talk show about his views that the terrorist attacks were the result of a government conspiracy to spark war in the Middle East. After the review, Farrell said Barrett was a qualified instructor who can present his views as one perspective on the attacks. "I still have every expectation this will be a very positive educational experience for our students," Farrell said Thursday. "Some are upset about Mr. Barrett's viewpoints on 9/11 and don't want to pay much attention to what makes for a quality educational experience." Republican Rep. Steve Nass said the lawmakers' letter, which called Barrett's views "academically dishonest," sends a strong message to top UW leaders. "When 61 legislators condemn a decision by UW-Madison and demand the dismissal of Kevin Barrett, the leadership of the UW System operates at its own peril if it continues to ignore views of the taxpayers," Nass said in a statement."

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"This guy would have been gone at Boston University, my alma mater, in a heartbeat. The Chancellor there, John Silber, would of--would have--this guy'd be in the Charles River floating down, you know, toward the harbor."

That isn't even a threat, its a comment. Stop being so sensational about everything.

Maybe you could stop misrepresenting news stories and instead defend the gaping holes in your theory.

Same questions....34 pages later...

Who is avoiding a rational argument?

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

Quote :

"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the Revolutionary War?

Do you even know anything about american history? To say that the Civil War was caused simply by "illuminati agitators" is to ignore almost every detail of the decades that preceded the conflict.

Can we get some proof that John Wilkes Booth was an agent of the NWO rather than an upset Confederate sympathizer?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway? You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

What about the train bombing in Mumbai? Was that a government inside job? Whenever muslim terrorists attack western interests you immediately blame it on the zionists, what about this one?

Do you think that arabs are incompetent and inferior to whites?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

7/22/2006 6:09:21 PM

Quote :

""First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - - Mahatma Ghandi I think were transitioning into the fighting--violent opposition stage..."

While you remain stuck in the ignoring stage.

7/22/2006 10:27:54 PM

7/25/2006 10:46:58 PM

You sure are fast on the draw.

7/25/2006 11:03:41 PM

ahahahah you stole my warning sign

7/25/2006 11:15:31 PM

Quote :

"Higher ups in the US military may have been "in" on the attack, but the vast majority of those within the military were not. Some manufactured "problem" was needed to serve as the excuse for the problems encountered by NORAD, the FAA, and the Air Force in responding to the hijackings--such as the drills of hijackings on the morning of 9/11. Possible tampering with the U.S. military computer networks would serve a similar purpose."

Wouldn't that mean that the US military was "in" on the attack? And, if this J00 World Order is sooooooooo fucking powerful, why haven't they indoctrinated the entire US military so that they wouldn't need to rely on cloak and dagger bullshit that could be so easily uncovered before hand? I mean, the media is so successful at snowing average joe with no coercion, how much easier would it be to brainwash people who are effectively in captivity with little to no recourse? come on...

7/25/2006 11:31:10 PM

Apparantly the so-called "conspiracy theorists" are not as "extreme" and as few in number as the MSM and others would have us believe...

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=CONSPIRACY-08-02-06

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"A third of U.S. public believes 9/11 conspiracy theory By THOMAS HARGROVE and GUIDO H. STEMPEL III Scripps Howard News Service 02-AUG-06 More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll. The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be. Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Suspicions that the 9/11 attacks were "an inside job" _ the common phrase used by conspiracy theorists on the Internet _ quickly have become nearly as popular as decades-old conspiracy theories that the federal government was responsible for President John F. Kennedy's assassination... [...] Thirty-six percent of respondents overall said it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them "because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East." [...] The poll also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsed. Conspiracy groups for at least two years have also questioned why the World Trade Center collapsed when fires that heavily damaged similar skyscrapers around the world did not cause such destruction. Sixteen percent said it's "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that "the collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings." [...] The survey also found that people who regularly use the Internet but who do not regularly use so-called "mainstream" media are significantly more likely to believe in 9/11 conspiracies. People who regularly read daily newspapers or listen to radio newscasts were especially unlikely to believe in the conspiracies. [...]"

36%
THIRTY-SIX PERCENT
16% BELIEVE EXPLOSIVES BROUGHT DOWN THE TWIN TOWERS

HARDLY A "FRINGE" VIEWPOINT

8/8/2006 3:50:46 PM

You don't even bring of valid points or address questions anymore. All you do is quote bomb articles from news sources that no one has ever heard of that tout the popularity of 9/11 conspiracy theories. Have you completely given up on defending your ideas, instead choosing to show us statistics about people who agree with you? If your case is so airtight, why can't you defend it?

Here are some videos of actual building implosions:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3734778582740389904&q=implosion

Hear the deafening explosions long before the building even moves?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6979955002470780153&q=implosion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6209867556562706196&q=implosion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5446838557512388694&q=implosion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5360235832416833797&q=implosion

This is the same building. Notice the clearly visible explosions all over the building? Notice how the building collapse begins at the bottom instead of the top falling first?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5515424451823800690&q=implosion

Same features, different building. Loud explosions. Collapse begins at the bottom, not the top. I know that you love to point out the cloud of dust shot from the window during the collapse of the WTC, but the simple fact is that there is absolutely no need to set off additional explosions as the building is collapsing - momentum will do the job.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8719593880031165898&q=implosion

Heres the same thing in Raleigh, no less. There is no need to set off more charges during collapse. What you saw during the WTC collapse was air being forced out as the floors pancaked.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7000444892387259083&q=implosion

Heres a building in Las Vegas. Notice the many clearly visible sequenced explosions? Where were those when the WTC came down? One plume of dust coming out of a window is not evidence of a controlled demolition.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6449270076349123045&q=implosion

Heres another one. Notice the explosions all took place before the collapse, not during.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4451252877216031192&q=implosion

Heres a dorm in Minnesota. Loud and clearly visible sequenced explosions prior to collapse. There are even plumes of dust ejected from the windows during collapse, just like the WTC. Notice that you don't hear any explosion accompanying the dust plume.

There are a lot more videos out there if you want to see more. All of those buildings were significantly smaller than the World Trade Center, yet still produced deafening explosions. How many tons of explosives would have been needed to bring down two 110 story skyscrapers? Why doesn't a single video of the event include the sound of sequenced explosions?

Look at the explosions themselves. They all happened before the collapse. In every single video you see and hear charges going off followed by a dead silence, and then the collapse of the building. Ever single piece of evidence that you bring to the table lacks this. Instead you point to puffs of dust near windows as the prrof of explosives. Find me a video that features explosives being set off underneath a collapsing structure as it falls.

All of these building begin collapse at the bottom. The tops of the WTC (above the point of impact) fell into the rest of the builing with sufficient momentum to bring the towers down. Find me a video of this technique being used to collapse a high rise.

Now lets have a rational conversation instead of you quote bombing articles that have nothing to do with your argument...

Same questions....34 pages later...

Who is avoiding a rational argument?

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

Quote :

"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the Revolutionary War?

Do you even know anything about american history? To say that the Civil War was caused simply by "illuminati agitators" is to ignore almost every detail of the decades that preceded the conflict.

Can we get some proof that John Wilkes Booth was an agent of the NWO rather than an upset Confederate sympathizer?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

So when was the Israeli false flag terrorist attack in Washington state?

What about the train bombing in Mumbai? Was that a government inside job? Whenever muslim terrorists attack western interests you immediately blame it on the zionists, what about this one?

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

And now you're offline. You log on, post your article, and then log off without even attempting to have a discussion. You're like a little hermit crab that only sticks its head when it needs to and then spends the rest of its time in its little shell.

Now you're just trolling.

[Edited on August 8, 2006 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

8/8/2006 4:47:10 PM

Check out the poll here:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/08/06/sept11.theories.ap/index.html

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"Do you believe alternative theories for the September 11, 2001, attacks are credible? Yes 70% 10584 votes No 30% 4429 votes Total: 15013 votes"

And check out this desperate hit piece against those questioning the official 9/11 story from a GOP website:

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=340

Quote :

"9-11 Conspiracy Cereal: A Few Nuts and a Bunch of Flakes Posted by Bobby Eberle August 8, 2006 In almost every event of world significance, whether it is man-made or natural, there are those who will never accept the official or logical explanation for those events, but instead will put on their tin foil hats and deduce a far-reaching cover-up or conspiracy. As we draw near to the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, those conspiracy theorists are in full bloom and are certain that the attacks which killed nearly 3,000 people on American soil were organized by our own government. As the Washington Times points out in Academics provide clout to 9/11 theorists, “Five years after the terrorist attacks, a community that believes widely discredited ideas about what happened on September 11, 2001, persists and even thrives. Members trade their ideas on the Internet and in self-published papers and in books. About 500 of them attended a recent conference in Chicago.” As noted in the story, the 9-11 Commission concluded that “hijackers crashed planes into the Twin Towers.” The National Institute of Standards and Technology “filed 10,000 pages of reports that found fires caused by the crashing planes were more than sufficient to collapse the buildings.” However, far be it for these moonbats to believe the obvious. Instead, groups such as the Scholars for Truth contend that the World Trade Center was “almost certainly brought down by controlled demolitions” and “the government not only permitted 9/11 to occur but may even have orchestrated these events to facilitate its political agenda.”"

Wow. Calling us "moonbats" and "tin-foil hat wearers." Quite a rational and persuasive argument.

The mainstream media and left & right gatekeepers are panicking.

8/8/2006 4:55:56 PM