moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
^ he was probably parroting fox news, but this site seems to have some information on that question: http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/ask-the-experts/population/ 10/31/2009 5:57:06 PM |
Solinari All American 16957 Posts user info edit post |
The leader of the free world speaks truth to power (a cable channel that reaches a few million viewers)...
yo dawg... this shit is for serious. 10/31/2009 5:59:52 PM |
HockeyRoman All American 11811 Posts user info edit post |
burro pwnt, stay home. 10/31/2009 6:32:50 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Obama Says Economy Is Back From `Brink,' US Must Focus on Cutting Debt http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=a6j5YgSmlmgc 11/2/2009 12:51:36 PM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Lobbyists Terminating Their Federal Registrations at Accelerated Rate
The OMB Watch-CRP study found 1,418 "deregistrations" of federally registered lobbyists during the second quarter of 2009, a marked increase for any reporting period during all of 2008 and 2009. This occurred shortly after President Barack Obama issued Executive Order 13490" |
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009/11/lobbyists-terminating-their-fe.html
There's some change we can all believe in.11/2/2009 3:31:39 PM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^ Did they go to work for the White House? 11/2/2009 3:57:46 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53064 Posts user info edit post |
wow, I typed one more zero than I meant to. yeah, that's "pwnt." 11/2/2009 7:12:40 PM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Did White House pressure NYT into changing Dover story? October 30, 2009
Quote : | "Originally, the New York Times reported on President Barack Obama's visit to Dover AFB and the arrival of fallen serviceman by explaining that the White House wanted Obama to be seen as concerned and aware of the sacrifices made in America’s war policies:
'A small contingent of reporters and photographers accompanied Mr. Obama to Dover, where he arrived at 12:34 a.m. aboard Marine One. He returned to the South Lawn of the White House at 4:45 a.m. <…> The images and the sentiment of the president's five-hour trip to Delaware were intended by the White House to convey to the nation that Mr. Obama was not making his Afghanistan decision lightly or in haste.'
Following that link now, the second paragraph quoted is nowhere to be seen. The Jeff Zeleny report contains no editorial announcement of changes after its publication, and no indication of any retraction. Greyhawk at Mudville Gazette and Nice Deb both noticed the change, however, and Greyhawk also noticed that the NYT didn’t quite redact that paragraph from everywhere on its servers. The story now reads like this:
'The trip was a symbolic one for Mr. Obama, given the gravity of his coming announcement of a new strategy for Afghanistan.
The image of the commander in chief standing on a darkened tarmac, offering a salute to one of the soldiers, highlighted the poignancy of a decision he is facing.
But even after the redaction, this came up in a search on the NYT site: (See link).
So who changed the story, and why? The original Zeleny report with that paragraph gave credence to the accusation that Obama made the Dover trip for a photo op, picked up by bloggers to criticize the White House. Its mysterious disappearance post-publication indicates that someone was unhappy with that kind of criticism and removed the paragraph to curtail it — and didn't do a very good job of it, either.
The editors of the NYT could have removed it on their own without prompting from anyone, but that doesn't make a lot of sense. The editors approved the piece for publication in the first place, and besides, the NYT isn't exactly adept at quickly responding to blogospheric criticism, at least not on its news pages (their blogs are a different matter). It would appear that someone other than bloggers brought this to the attention of the Times and pressed for the removal of the offending paragraph. That might also explain why the Times changed the article without acknowledging it, a big red flag in itself.
The NYT should answer for why this change was made, and why they attempted to fly it under the radar. If the paragraph was inaccurate, a retraction should have accompanied it. If it wasn't inaccurate, then who pressed them to remove it?" |
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/30/did-white-house-pressure-nyt-into-changing-dover-story/
More press manipulation shenanigans from Obama's rapid-response goons no doubt.
[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 3:41 AM. Reason : .]11/3/2009 3:41:41 AM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Obama Says Economy Is Back From `Brink,' US Must Focus on Cutting Debt" | 1. No it isn't. 2. This isn't going to be done by passing a $1T health care bill.
^ Hot Air serves up a lot of speculation with absolutely zero (at least in this case) evidence.
also,
Quote : | "The study also indicates that since the beginning of 2008, the number of lobbyists filing termination reports has generally outpaced the number of newly active lobbyists – a trend that considerably accelerated during this year's second quarter." | Sounds like Obama's executive order accelerated a trend which may very well have been an economic based decline.
On the other hand,
Quote : | "Another troubling issue highlighted by the organizations is that the thousands of lobbyists who appear to have left their line of work may not have actually done so. At the federal level, many people working in the lobbying industry are not registered lobbyists, instead adopting titles such as "senior advisor" or other executive monikers, thereby avoiding federal disclosure requirements under the Lobbying Disclosure Act. " |
So Obama has succeeded in getting lobbyists to not call themselves lobbyists, but perhaps not succeeded at all in stopping lobbying. At least that is the gist of the article.11/3/2009 5:03:01 AM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^ Be that as it may, The New York Times changed a paragraph--with no editor's note or retraction of any kind--that made Obama's Dover trip appear to be a photo op. We may never know the truth, but I find it damned peculiar. 11/3/2009 5:14:00 AM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
Much about the NYT is peculiar. 11/3/2009 1:11:42 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Online publications routinely change articles without makign a note. I notice this on almost a daily basis.
One way to easily spot stuff like that is to check google news... the snippet on the front page is usually a cache from when the Google crawler first picked up the story, but it's not rare that when you click the link, the headline or portions of the sentence are different from the snippet.
[Edited on November 3, 2009 at 1:57 PM. Reason : ] 11/3/2009 1:57:14 PM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^ STIMULUS WATCH: Salary raise counted as saved job (AP) - 3 hours ago
Quote : | "WASHINGTON — The government's latest count of stimulus jobs significantly overstates the effects of the $787 billion program under a popular federal preschool program, raising fresh questions about the process the Obama administration is using to tout the success of its economic recovery plan.
An Associated Press review of the latest stimulus reports — which the White House promised would undergo extensive reviews to ensure accuracy — found that more than two-thirds of 14,506 jobs credited to the recovery act under spending by just one federal office were overstated because they counted pay increases for existing workers as jobs saved.
The inflated job count is at least partly the product of the administration instructing local community agencies that received money to count the raises as jobs saved." |
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jMNoef6xDenBbHWO0Im6rIjDmAgAD9BOSE601
Just wow.
[Edited on November 4, 2009 at 4:46 PM. Reason : ^ Headline changes are one thing--significant changes in the body of the report are another.]11/4/2009 4:44:37 PM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Fuzzy math in stimulus job-saving numbers 11/04/2009
Quote : | "But officials defended the practice of counting raises as saved jobs.
'If I give you a raise, it is going to save a portion of your job,' HHS spokesman Luis Rosero said." |
http://www.lowellsun.com/ci_13711421
[Edited on November 5, 2009 at 6:30 AM. Reason : What?]11/5/2009 6:30:39 AM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-schools5-2009nov05,0,3477080.story?track=rss
Quote : | "Obama calls for end of 'firewall' rules that shield teachers … He challenges rules that say teachers should not be judged by how their students perform." |
11/5/2009 9:25:19 AM |
EarthDogg All American 3989 Posts user info edit post |
As long as the kids spell Obama's name right when they shave it into their hair...where's the problem?
If we didn't allow the federal gov't to confiscate so much money from us, we wouldn't have to listen to a president lecture us on education- when he thought "Austrian" was a language.
11/5/2009 10:38:23 AM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
^ there's no scenario where the gov. isn't going to subsidize education. THe gov. should foot at least most of the bill for a country's education. 11/5/2009 10:52:37 AM |
LoneSnark All American 12317 Posts user info edit post |
There a difference between fitting the bill for something and a government run monopoly. 11/5/2009 11:35:13 AM |
eyedrb All American 5853 Posts user info edit post |
Ill believe it when I see it moron. He says a lot of shit then does the opposite.
Remember this isnt a move for a govt to take over health care. We will only CONTROL health care. hahah 11/5/2009 11:44:44 AM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Ill believe it when I see it moron. He says a lot of shit then does the opposite. " |
haha, like what?
^^ true, but gramps up there made it seem like a more privatized system means the gov. would not spend as much money on education, when there is no system the US could reasonably adopt that wouldn't have massive amounts of money still being spent on education.
[Edited on November 5, 2009 at 12:23 PM. Reason : ]11/5/2009 12:21:05 PM |
EarthDogg All American 3989 Posts user info edit post |
There was a time when the gov't didn't pay for any education..and we still managed to produce great people like Washington, Jefferson etc.
In regards to the recent shooting spree, our great communicator president blew it once again...
Quote : | "After news broke out of the shooting at the Fort Hood Army post in Texas, the nation watched in horror as the toll of dead and injured climbed. The White House was notified immediately and by late afternoon, word went out that the president would speak about the incident prior to a previously scheduled appearance. At about 5 p.m., cable stations went to the president. The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.
But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior's Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a "shout-out" to "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow -- that Congressional Medal of Honor winner."
Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms. Who is advising him?" |
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html11/6/2009 10:16:11 AM |
LoneSnark All American 12317 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^^ true, but gramps up there made it seem like a more privatized system means the gov. would not spend as much money on education, when there is no system the US could reasonably adopt that wouldn't have massive amounts of money still being spent on education." |
Last I checked in the Raleigh Area, Wake County spends more per pupil than the most expensive Academy in the area. As such, yes, Wake County could send every kid to private school and still spend less money.
In the case of Washington DC, they could send every kid to where Obama's kids are going and still save money.11/6/2009 10:30:25 AM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
It's been explained time and again why comparisons between public and private schools are invalid. 11/6/2009 10:47:45 AM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53064 Posts user info edit post |
yep. namely that private schools have accountability to their customers, while public schools do not 11/6/2009 12:43:09 PM |
1337 b4k4 All American 10033 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "haha, like what?" |
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-broken/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/stalled/11/6/2009 2:05:58 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
^ that doesn't really fit under the description of "he says a lot of shit then does the opposite."
^^^ That's assuming that if a private school had to manage the diverse needs of students like a public school has, they could maintain their relatively low costs, which I somehow doubt. I personally think we should give a voucher system a good honest try, but I don't think it's anywhere near a forgone conclusion that if we switched to a voucher system it would be a silver bullet in the heart of our education problems.
http://www.heartland.org/publications/school%20reform/article/9904/Voucher_Programs_Around_the_World.html
Slightly interesting (but not very in-depth) article on voucher systems around the world. 11/6/2009 2:13:54 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53064 Posts user info edit post |
I understand that, but if schools were actually allowed to kick out the worthless troublemaking fucks for good, then things would improve drastically. it would only take 10-15 years of people seeing what happens to losers who can't behave in school for shit to turn around. 11/6/2009 2:42:30 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "it would only take 10-15 years of people seeing what happens to losers who can't behave in school for shit to turn around." |
I doubt this would happen. People already know what happens if you don't get an education.
What would more likely happen in the situation you describe is the flourishing of gangs and gang violence.11/6/2009 3:54:00 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53064 Posts user info edit post |
you mean like we already have? wait... 11/6/2009 3:55:05 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, more or less, but probably worse 11/6/2009 4:04:09 PM |
EarthDogg All American 3989 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I personally think we should give a voucher system a good honest try, " |
I agree. Let's get some market competition going. Have schools compete for those voucher dollars.11/6/2009 9:25:49 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
If you do things like legalize pot you could actually afford to incarcerate violent offenders. The other thing that needs to be done is the implementation of public punishment like flogging. 11/7/2009 1:24:37 AM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Democratic consultant says he got a warning from White House after appearing on Fox News 'We better not see you on again,' the strategist says he was told by a White House official. The White House communications director denies that officials urge such a boycott. November 8, 2009
Quote : | "Reporting from Washington - At least one Democratic political strategist has gotten a blunt warning from the White House to never appear on Fox News Channel, an outlet that presidential aides have depicted as not so much a news-gathering operation as a political opponent bent on damaging the Obama administration.
The Democratic strategist said that shortly after an appearance on Fox, he got a phone call from a White House official telling him not to be a guest on the show again. The call had an intimidating tone, he said.
The message was, 'We better not see you on again,' said the strategist, who spoke on condition of anonymity so as not to run afoul of the White House. An implicit suggestion, he said, was that 'clients might stop using you if you continue.'" |
Quote : | "But Patrick Caddell, a Fox News contributor and former pollster for President Carter, said he had spoken to Democratic consultants who said they were told by the White House to avoid appearances on Fox. He declined to give their names." |
Quote : | "Don Fowler, a former Democratic National Committee chairman, said in an interview: 'This approach is out of sync with my conception of what the Obama administration stands for and what they're trying to do.
'I think they'll think better of it and this will be a passing phase.'" |
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-fox8-2009nov08,0,507227.story
What won't Richard Milhous Obama's administration resort to? 11/10/2009 8:10:52 AM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091109-718776.html
Quote : | "US Stocks Rally, Pushing DJIA To New 2009 Closing High" |
11/10/2009 11:46:21 AM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
^ the dollar also dropped. Measured in Euros, the stock market has been largely flat over the last six months. But thanks for playing the "what is good on Wall Street must be good for the rest of America" game.
Quote : | "The Americorps inspector general fired by President Barack Obama, Gerald Walpin, has been cleared by a federal investigation into allegations that he improperly interfered with a criminal inquiry into alleged misuse of government funds, according to a letter filed in federal court Monday night.
The claim that Walpin withheld evidence in the inquiry into the Sacramento-based St. Hope Academy, an organization founded by ex-NBA star Kevin Johnson, was among the allegations the White House cited when senators asked Obama to justify his firing of Walpin." | http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/1109/Ousted_IG_cleared_in_Kevin_Johnson_flap.html11/10/2009 11:49:54 AM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""So, we've decided that we are going to trade our Lieberman for their Lieberman."" |
-Obama
HA 11/10/2009 1:42:31 PM |
Fermat All American 47007 Posts user info edit post |
LOL HAVE THEY BEEN SHUT DOWN BY THE FCC YET
11/10/2009 9:00:07 PM |
roddy All American 25834 Posts user info edit post |
Obama just helped the stock market reach yet another 52 week high! I have done pretty well lately! Thanks Obama! 11/11/2009 4:22:09 PM |
d357r0y3r Jimmies: Unrustled 8198 Posts user info edit post |
True, the stock market is a great indicator of economic wellbeing, since it isn't dollar denominated or anything. 11/11/2009 4:32:12 PM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""US Stocks Rally, Pushing DJIA To New 2009 Closing High"" |
isn't that like being the tallest midget?11/11/2009 4:40:46 PM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Report: Mass. jobs claims tied to stimulus 'wildly exaggerated' Nov 11, 2009
Quote : | "The Boston Globe has followed the $4 billion in federal stimulus money sent to Massachusetts so far and found that the 12,374 jobs reportedly saved or created in the state to be 'wildly exaggerated.'
The money went to state agencies, universities, hospitals, businesses and nonprofit organizations. In some cases, organizations and businesses 'miscounted jobs, filed erroneous figures, or claimed jobs for work that has not yet started.' In other instances, no jobs at all were created.
The paper writes that in interviews with recipients, 'several openly acknowledged creating far fewer jobs than they have been credited for.'
How bad is the jobs math?
'The federal stimulus report for Massachusetts has so many errors, missing data, or estimates instead of actual job counts that it may be impossible to accurately tally how many people have been employed by the massive infusion of federal money,' the Globe writes." |
http://tinyurl.com/ydl5vgt
11/13/2009 6:58:33 AM |
timswar All American 41050 Posts user info edit post |
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/tag/arlington+national+cemetery
Video's from MSNBC. 11/13/2009 7:24:09 AM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^ Obama is "credible" because he has emotions? 11/13/2009 7:30:02 AM |
timswar All American 41050 Posts user info edit post |
Nope, I'm giving him points for DISPLAYING his emotions. And for taking the time to talk to the people who have been affected by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan when he had no obligation to do so.
It's credibility as a person, not necessarily as a politician, but it is still credibility.
Unless you'd like to say why he shouldn't be talking to the friends and relatives of our honored dead. 11/13/2009 7:41:34 AM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
^ Fair enough. 11/13/2009 7:52:43 AM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
Five Sept. 11 Suspects to Face Trial in New York
Quote : | "WASHINGTON -- Lawmakers and victims' families expressed outrage Friday that President Obama has approved a recommendation to try self-proclaimed Sept. 11 architect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other Guantanamo Bay to New York to face trial in a civilian federal court.
"These terrorists planned and executed the mass murder of thousands of innocent Americans. Treating them like common criminals is unconscionable," Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said in a statement.
"This, I think, will go down as one of the worst decisions any president has ever made," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.
"The only thing they are going to do is give them a stage to mock us ... and this makes me sick to my stomach," said Tim Brown, a former New York City firefighter and founder of Thebravest.com, a group that is petitioning the administration not to bring terrorists to civilian courts.
Attorney General Eric Holder was to announce the decision to transfer the detainees now at Guantanamo Bay during a morning new conference.
Watch Fox News Channel and FoxNews.com at 11 a.m. EST for Attorney General Holder's remarks.
President Obama, speaking in Tokyo, said he will insist that Mohammed be subject to "the most exacting demands of justice" and called the move both a prosecutorial and a national security decision.
"I'm absolutely convinced that Khalid Sheik Mohammad will be subject to the most exacting demands of justice. The American people insist on it. My administration will insist on it," he said.
Mohammed and the four others -- Waleed bin Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi and Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali -- are accused of orchestrating the attacks that killed 2,973 people on Sept. 11, 2001. They will now stand trial in a courtroom down the street from the World Trade Center buildings that Mohammad takes credit for demolishing that day.
Bringing such notorious suspects to U.S. soil to face trial is a key step in Obama's plan to close the terror suspect detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Obama initially planned to close the detention center by Jan. 22, but the administration is no longer expected to meet that deadline.
It is also a major legal and political test of Obama's overall approach to terrorism. If the case suffers legal setbacks, the administration will face second-guessing from those who never wanted it in a civilian courtroom. And if lawmakers get upset about notorious terrorists being brought to their home regions, they may fight back against other parts of Obama's agenda.
The New York case may also force the court system to confront a host of difficult legal issues surrounding counterterrorism programs begun after the 2001 attacks, including the harsh interrogation techniques once used on some of the suspects while in CIA custody. The most severe method -- waterboarding, or simulated drowning -- was used on Mohammed 183 times in 2003, before the practice was banned.
But some supporters said they have confidence that the U.S. courts could successfully try enemy combatants.
"The transfer of cases to federal court is a huge victory for restoring due process and the rule of law, as well as repairing America's international standing, an essential part of ensuring our national security," said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "However, it's disappointing that the administration has chosen to prosecute some Guantanamo detainees in the unsalvageable military commissions system. ... Justice can only be served in our tried and true courts."
Holder will also announce that a major suspect in the bombing of the USS Cole, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, will face justice before a military commission, as will a handful of other detainees to be identified at the same announcement, the official said.
It was not immediately clear where commission-bound detainees like al-Nashiri might be sent, but a Navy brig in South Carolina has been high on the list of considered sites.
The actual transfer of the detainees from Guantanamo to New York isn't expected to happen for many more weeks because formal charges have not been filed against most of them.
The attorney general has decided the case of the five Sept. 11 suspects should be handled by prosecutors working in the Southern District of New York, which has held a number of major terrorism trials in recent decades at a courthouse in lower Manhattan, just blocks from where the World Trade Center towers once stood.
Holder had been considering other possible trial locations, including Virginia, Washington and a different courthouse in New York City. Those districts could all end up conducting trials of other Guantanamo detainees sent to federal court later on.
The attorney general's decision in these cases comes just before a Monday deadline for the government to decide how to proceed against 10 detainees facing military commissions.
In the military system, the five Sept. 11 suspects had faced the death penalty, but the official would not say if the Justice Department would also seek capital punishment against the men once they are in the federal system.
The administration has already sent one Guantanamo detainee, Ahmed Ghailani, to New York to face trial, but chose not to seek death in that case.
At the last major trial of Al Qaeda suspects held at that courthouse in 2001, prosecutors did seek death for some of the defendants.
Mohammed already has an outstanding terror indictment against him in New York, for an unsuccessful plot called "Bojinka" to simultaneously take down multiple airliners over the Pacific Ocean in the 1990s.
Some members of Congress have fought any effort to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to trial in the United States, saying it would be too dangerous for nearby civilians. The Obama administration has defended the planned trials, saying many terrorists have been safely tried, convicted, and imprisoned in the United States, including the 1993 World Trade Center bomber, Ramzi Yousef.
Mohammed admitted to interrogators that he thought up the attacks -- he allegedly proposed the concept to Usama bin Laden as early as 1996, obtained funding for the attacks from bin Laden, oversaw the operation and trained the hijackers in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The charges against the others are:
-- Bin Attash, a Yemeni, allegedly ran an al-Qaida training camp in Logar, Afghanistan, where two of the 19 hijackers were trained. Bin Attash is believed to have been bin Laden's bodyguard. Authorities say bin Laden selected him as a hijacker, but he was prevented from participating when he was briefly detained in Yemen in early 2001.
-- Binalshibh, a Yemeni, allegedly helped find flight schools for the hijackers, helped them enter the United States and assisted with financing the operation. He allegedly was selected to be a hijacker and made a "martyr video" in preparation for the operation, but was unable to get a U.S. visa. He also is believed to be a lead operative for a foiled plot to crash aircraft into London's Heathrow Airport.
-- Ali allegedly helped nine of the hijackers travel to the United States and sent them $120,000 for expenses and flight training. He is believed to have served as a key lieutenant to Mohammed in Pakistan. He was born in Pakistan and raised in Kuwait.
-- Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi, a Saudi, allegedly helped the hijackers with money, western clothing, traveler's checks and credit cards. Al-Hawsawi testified in the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, saying he had seen Moussaoui at an al-Qaida guesthouse in Kandahar, Afghanistan, in early 2001, but was never introduced to him or conducted operations with him." |
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/13/self-proclaimed-sept-mastermind-face-trial-ny/
about time
[Edited on November 13, 2009 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]11/13/2009 12:30:46 PM |
d357r0y3r Jimmies: Unrustled 8198 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not understanding people's objection to having the trial in New York. It's not like they're going to escape or be given an opportunity to cause any harm.
Quote : | "These terrorists planned and executed the mass murder of thousands of innocent Americans. Treating them like common criminals is unconscionable," Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said in a statement." |
How does he think we should treat them? Make a special court that punishes them especially harshly? These guys are not going to get off the hook.
Quote : | "The only thing they are going to do is give them a stage to mock us ... and this makes me sick to my stomach," said Tim Brown, a former New York City firefighter and founder of Thebravest.com, a group that is petitioning the administration not to bring terrorists to civilian courts." |
That makes no sense.11/13/2009 12:38:41 PM |
TerdFerguson All American 6600 Posts user info edit post |
haha I may actually tune into Rush just to see where he takes this one
http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/world/story/6412795/
Quote : | "Chinese greet 'Oba Mao' with flaming statue, fakes" |
Quote : | "One Beijing shop owner wanted to see what Obama could do for sales. Liu Mingjie created "Oba Mao" T-shirts, with the president wearing the uniform of the Red Guards, who caused chaos during the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s." |
11/13/2009 1:32:47 PM |
JCASHFAN All American 13916 Posts user info edit post |
ahahahahahaha. Awesome on so many levels.
in other news, Bob Bauer is the new White House Counsel, Politico article follows:
Quote : | "Bob Bauer's credentials challenged
Incoming White House counsel Bob Bauer is widely respected as a skilled and pugnacious lawyer, and has the unquestioned trust of President Barack Obama’s inner circle and a deep knowledge of the ways of Washington.
But the announcement Friday that he will take the place of Greg Craig, which had been rumored for weeks, nonetheless prompted questions about whether his experience as a campaign law expert and partisan warrior is appropriate for a job dealing with some of the most sensitive constitutional and national security issues in government.
Republicans moved quickly to cast Bauer, a veteran Democratic campaign attorney with limited government experience, as “hyper-partisan”, with a former White House counsel to President Ronald Reagan calling the pick “troubling.”
Government watchdogs, who for years battled Bauer over their efforts to reduce the role of money in politics, winced at the appointment, fearing it would steer Obama further away from as-yet unfulfilled promises to bolster a campaign finance regime under attack from the right.
Even some Democrats privately questioned whether Bauer’s relatively specialized background and confrontational style are well-suited to a post that requires both a familiarity with a wide range of sensitive legal issues – from national security to habeas corpus to military law - and finesse in dealing with stakeholders outside the White House. " | http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29498.html11/13/2009 3:41:55 PM |
EarthDogg All American 3989 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "These guys are not going to get off the hook." |
That's not Obama's goal. This trial is the red meat he promised the left-wing base. More hate on Bush. He gets to put America on trial. How we brought the attacks upon ourselves by treating the muslims so poorly etc.
It will be a blame-America festival. The terrorist confessions will have to be thrown out because they were obtained through water-boarding. And they will probably be set free with their promise not to do any more bad things to us.11/13/2009 10:13:40 PM |