yeah i believe any and all charges would have been on table.

12/4/2014 12:50:36 PM

Why are prosecutors being defense attorneys for cops at the Grand Jury.

12/4/2014 12:55:29 PM

Nothing to see here folks. Everything is going according to plan.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

12/4/2014 1:01:12 PM

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"Return Defect: Works as designed"

12/4/2014 1:07:16 PM

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"Bob McManus, the bespectacled lump of Play-Doh above, wants you to know: What happened to Eric Garner was nobody's fault but his own."

http://gawker.com/old-white-man-farts-garner-thoughts-into-new-yorks-wors-1666675014

12/4/2014 3:14:24 PM

heh, so I read somewhere where the cop said that as he had Garner in a chokehold, he feared for his life after Garner stumbled back into the window behind him (sandwiching the officer briefly).
In the same breath, the cop said he initially put his arm around Garner, not around his neck, in a maneuver taught to police which turns the other persons body pulling them off balance.

So he is essentially saying that he created a situation himself which caused him to fear for his life. This is the story the jury heard which gives the cop greater latitude to take a life when he fears for his own.

12/4/2014 3:22:35 PM

that seems similar to stepping into the path of a car so you can shoot the driver

12/4/2014 3:23:31 PM

Well yeah


Its hard to believe that flies as an excuse that "oh yeah....I thought I was gonna die getting squished against that window! Oh lawdy me, I'm so frail"

12/4/2014 3:33:36 PM

That is a pretty weak argument.

It sucks. I'm pretty sure most of us have done worse things than selling "looseys" in our youth. Nobody should have to die for that.

12/4/2014 3:45:49 PM

So is the police argument basically boiling down to he died because he is fat not because of anything we did? Whether is be thats what caused his health problems or thats why the officer felt threatened?

12/4/2014 3:47:34 PM

The legal system doesn't even bother putting on sham trials anymore. There used to be a time where a bogus trial would occur, and the public would at least be given the appearance of justice. No more, however.

12/4/2014 4:30:49 PM

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"Pantaleo was no stranger to trouble even before he crossed paths with Garner. He was the subject of a Civilian Complaint Review Board probe on allegations he strip-searched two men in public and slapped their genitals."

12/4/2014 6:42:38 PM

Nothing like a little ball slappin' to keep the public in line.

12/4/2014 6:45:42 PM

So this slapdick has a history of slapping dicks. Wonderful.


I think if Eric Garner had to choose between getting choked out vs an involuntary and forceful Handy-J, he'd have picked the latter.

12/4/2014 7:12:58 PM

do you want to die, or do you want to go home?!

Aight....lemme slap them genitals then

12/4/2014 7:19:51 PM

do you know what genitals smell like?


PINE OIL! And that's where you going, baby! Pine oil heaven!

12/4/2014 7:26:23 PM

NSFW: http://fukung.net/v/5355/503240526_671d84e41d_o.gif

12/4/2014 7:31:15 PM

Another unarmed black man shot by cop, for selling oxycodonde and marihuana:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-phoenix-police-shoot-kill-unarmed-black-man-20141204-story.html

Police later found a gun in his car.

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 9:11 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2014 9:08:07 PM

^ another casualty of war on drugs

12/4/2014 9:11:11 PM

Lets soak in the no charge in NYC before moving to another cop killing. Its sad to think that people are screaming police need to wear body camera's, and here is a incident on tape and a jury did nothing. I want one reason why this cop isn't facing any charges. Other than the obvious that the victim was black.

12/4/2014 9:17:05 PM

I'm inclined to maybe give this cop the benefit of the doubt, because unlike the brown, rice, or garner cases, this cop seemed to show some restraint at first.

The details about the struggle are murky, and it seems like he should have waited for backup, especially since they had the car, but depending on how the struggle went down, this could be justified.

12/4/2014 9:20:18 PM

^^ it's solely the cam footage that has white people supporting the garner supporters. If there were no video, they'd be buying the police story hook, line, and sinker.

12/4/2014 9:25:55 PM

I haven't really kept up with the details of the cop choke hold killing story, but damned if I can figure out how there are 2 sides to that one.


I'm pretty sure I would have shot the fuck out of Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown (even though I'm largely in agreement with many of the broader concerns voiced by their supporters), but this one...what the fuck man?

12/4/2014 9:26:57 PM

http://cjonline.com/news/2014-12-04/south-carolina-police-chief-charged-death-unarmed-man

Looks like the public outrage, protests, and looting worked. Grand jury indicts police for murder, there's going to be a trial for once.

12/4/2014 9:44:23 PM

this photo has over 29,000 shares

12/4/2014 9:48:32 PM

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" I haven't really kept up with the details of the cop choke hold killing story, but damned if I can figure out how there are 2 sides to that one. I'm pretty sure I would have shot the fuck out of Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown (even though I'm largely in agreement with many of the broader concerns voiced by their supporters), but this one...what the fuck man? "

So in other words, you'll buy the story of the aggressor every time, unless there is verifiable and irrefutable video evidence showing excessive force?


Maybe minorities should wear gopros all day and livestream their existence on the off chance that they are murdered by a cop. They'll still be dead, but at least people will believe their story!

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 10:09 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2014 10:01:24 PM

Uh, that's not what he said at all.

12/4/2014 10:05:57 PM

^ I'm fully aware of his position. Other than the video evidence in this case, he sides with authority (and pretend authority in the Zimmerman example) the majority of the time. He gives them the benefit of the doubt pretty much every time. And for the life of me, I can't figure out why he does, especially when he claims to empathize with the grievances of the victimized.

In fact, I'll go out on a limb, and say that while tragic, he'll find the Tamir Rice shooting in Cleveland as justifiable, even if regrettable.

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2014 10:13:07 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/overworked-prosecutor-thinking-of-taking-police-br,37597/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1efault

12/4/2014 10:26:01 PM

So you'd follow a kid, start a fight and shoot him in "self defense". Theres some serious stupid or racism running through you.

12/4/2014 10:54:25 PM

^^^ It's not because they are any sort of authority. It's because we give the benefit of the doubt to the accused.

...and I mean, I didn't see the Tamir Rice thing go down, but if I was a cop, and I was called to the scene of someone brandishing a pistol, pointing it at people, and I ordered him to put his hands up, and he reached for the pistol...well, I would shoot him, because what else are you doing to do?

It's a damned terrible tragedy, but what the fuck do you expect? More to the point, what would you charge those guys with?

* caveat: it really all depends on what sort of "brandishing" and "pointing" and "reaching for the pistol" we're talking about, which I suppose is impossible to know, so again, what're you gonna do?


^ I'd follow him if I thought he might be up to no good. Shit, even if Zimmerman was just curious, there's nothing wrong with walking behind someone in public. I mean, it could be done to the point that it was threatening/harassment, but every indication I saw is that Martin started the fight, not Zimmerman, and then got shot for it. That's a chance you take if you go around hitting people.



also, it's not just the benefit of the doubt, although there is some degree of doubt with Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown. The preponderance of the evidence I saw in both of those leads me to believe that I would have shot them both if I'd been in that situation, too.



but this NYPD thing? What am I missing? I don't even see how there are 2 sides to it.

"Banned technique" or not, that alone doesn't make him a murderer, but fuck, I don't see what that guy needed to be Rodney Kinged for at all.

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 10:58 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:01 PM. Reason : I think Zimmerman is a douchebag, but not a murderer.]

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2014 10:56:02 PM

I think Zimmerman is a murderer. And in any state other than Florida he would be a convicted murderer.

12/4/2014 11:02:58 PM

what does FL have to do with it?

12/4/2014 11:07:24 PM

The only reason Zimmerman got off was Florida's asinine stand your ground nonsense. By the letter of the law in that state he was innocent, but anyone with common sense knows he's guilty of at least manslaughter. You can't follow someone, start a fight, and then shoot them because they start winning. Unless the person you shoot is black.

If I was to ever go to court for something I would waive the jury. I'd take my chances with a judge before I'd risk it with an American jury. People continue to amaze me with the level of stupid they are capable of. I can understand giving a cop the benefit of the doubt in a he said/she said issue. But when its on tape, and everyone agrees that he should be indicted, and a jury comes back with no charges....wtf

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:14 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2014 11:10:25 PM

You can't do that in FL either, and you can do what he apparently did in many states besides FL.

What evidence is that that he started the fight?

12/4/2014 11:13:59 PM

Jury of 6 peers actually looked at all the facts over the course of several months and didn't find Zimmerman guilty, but BlackJesus saw it all unfold on the news and thinks Zimmerman is a murderer, so Zimmerman must be guilty then.

Grand jury looked at Brown/Wilson case, and didn't get an indictment after hearing all the witnesses and looking at all the fact, but BlackJesus was stopped by highway patrol a few times, so based on his personal experience he can prove to you that Wilson is a racist murderer.

I bet you BlackJesus would be a proud supporter or lynchings, if he lived back in the day. Why bother with following the law and going through these bullshit court proceedings for months, when we can just ask the mob and declare a verdict and execute the punishment all within hours of catching the perp.

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:17 PM. Reason : f'n autocorrect hates courts]

12/4/2014 11:16:10 PM

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"It's not because they are any sort of authority. It's because we give the benefit of the doubt to the accused."

maybe when both parties are alive and able to present their account. a bit harder to give the benefit of the doubt when one of the two parties is dead.

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"...and I mean, I didn't see the Tamir Rice thing go down, but if I was a cop, and I was called to the scene of someone brandishing a pistol, pointing it at people, and I ordered him to put his hands up, and he reached for the pistol...well, I would shoot him, because what else are you doing to do?"

have you seen the Tamir Rice video? or read up on the officer who killed him?

doesn't really look like there was much time for the officer to order him to put his hands up.

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:26 PM. Reason : may wanna brush up on some things]

12/4/2014 11:18:53 PM

Kid walking home alone carrying skittles and a tea.

Grown man with gun follows kid, because he's black and looks out of place.

911 Tells grown coward not to pursue him.

Grown coward does so.

Confrontation happens because what sane person is going to just let someone follow them in the dark.

Coward starts losing and shoots kid.

12/4/2014 11:18:56 PM

^^I'll take a step back from that; I think there are systemic problems. I just don't think those particular cases are the examples.


Skittles and tea/unarmed, 911 operator instructions, Zimmerman losing...none of that has anything to do with it. Those are not legitimate factors at all.

I will agree that Martin had every right to confront Zimmerman (just as Zimmerman had every right to follow him, within certain reasonable bounds)...but Martin had no right to attack him. I mean, it's not that I don't understand that reaction, and it's not that it isn't terribly unfortunate that he paid such a disproportionate price for his mistake, but the bottom line is that it was an unfortunate situation where a young guy made an immature decision that cost him his life.

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:24 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2014 11:19:09 PM

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"Grand jury looked at Brown/Wilson case, and didn't get an indictment after hearing all the witnesses and looking at all the fact, but BlackJesus was stopped by highway patrol a few times, so based on his personal experience he can prove to you that Wilson is a racist murderer."

you should probably look into the details of the investigation/how this grand jury was vastly different from other grand juries before making a statement like that.

just a thought.

12/4/2014 11:22:53 PM

Igor you're an idiot. A jury of Eric Garner's peers just cleared his killer of all charges, and his death is on tape. What do you have to say about that? Whats NPR and Fox's official stance of this killing, since you are a expert on American news. Please tell me what the Discovery channel has to say about a man getting choked to death on tape.

^Don't point that out to him. This foreigner knows all about how America works, he read about it in social studies class. He's too damn stupid to know that a Grand Jury does not normally hear defensive arguments. They hear only the information that the prosecutor chooses, (which is normally just the stuff that leads to a charge) unless theres a cop involved. At which point their focus becomes clearing the cop, not prosecuting. But hey I'm just a angry black that doesn't know anything

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:27 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2014 11:24:49 PM

^^yeah that's valid, but I think they reached the correct decision, and even if they had indicted him, there wouldn't have been anything to go on in a trial. That just subverts to a degree the ability to appeal to the grand jury's authority and careful decision. I don't see any strong evidence that the weird approach actually undermined the case, either.

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:26 PM. Reason : ^ and unless I'm missing something, that case definitely subverts that argument, like you said.]

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2014 11:25:50 PM

I find it laughable that Igor continues posting like he knows so much, but has not once posed a link to anything that supports his stance. Imagine if I claimed I was a expert on your homeland because I listen to a radio station, and read some magazines. GTFO troll.

12/4/2014 11:31:04 PM

every day, multiple stories come out about how corrupt the Ferguson PD/St. Louis County PD/Bob McCulloch is/has been

just read up on Jeff Roorda v. the St. Louis Rams and the black St. Louis County cops

it's all out there to read.

12/4/2014 11:36:36 PM

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"It's not because they are any sort of authority. It's because we give the benefit of the doubt to the accused."

Except these cops were never accused. This logic may fly in a court hearing, but for it to not even go to court, then no crime has been committed. And that's ridiculous. But let's address the larger issue at play, here. Should the cops be required to give the benefit of the doubt to the call they are asked to investigate? Isn't there an inherit danger to basically allowing a cop to shoot first, and ask questions later?

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" Tamir Rice thing....well, I would shoot him, because what else are you doing to do?"

I don't know, how about wait a second? Maybe verify if the kid is an actual threat? This constant excusing of trigger-happy and skiddish cops is par for the course in these threads. And I have to ask you, if you agree with the overall sentiment of the protesters, what recourse do they have if you constantly excuse this behavior from law enforcement? It does no good for you to feel their pain, and then turn around and excuse the very behavior that is causing that pain.




And here's my larger beef with you. This is a consistent stance you hold. You held it for the apache helicopter pilots, and you've held it consistently with the police. The logic is the same in your mind, but should it be? Should we really be giving CIVILIAN police officers the same lattitude for their fuckups that kill American citizens as we do with American troops fighting (supposed) foreign armies? Or, should we, I dunnnnnnnno, maybe hold them to a higher standard when they engage people?

12/4/2014 11:41:25 PM

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"you should probably look into the details of the investigation/how this grand jury was vastly different from other grand juries before making a statement like that"

I did. So did every other association/agency out there, which includes people more experienced in the legal process than anyone on this board. Let's see if anyone has the legal chops to overturn the decision.

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"This foreigner knows all about how America works, he read about it in social studies class"

I bet I did better in my Social Studies class than you did (although you probably had a disadvantage of being graded by a racist white teacher). In fact, based on your posts, I think you'd have a hard time passing the test required for immigration if you had to take it right now.

But hey, you are the unquestionable authority on the mindset of low-income single-parent black community from eastern NC. And because black people all over the US all live and think exactly like the people in your family, you are definitely an expert on what all black people think and how they all act.

12/4/2014 11:43:59 PM

^^I gotta believe that he hasn't seen the Tamir Rice video

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"So did every other association/agency out there"

such as?

[Edited on December 4, 2014 at 11:46 PM. Reason : it's pretty hard to believe that you've read up on the case, given your posts on the subject]

12/4/2014 11:44:11 PM

He's too stupid to admit that he has no idea what he's talking about once again.

12/4/2014 11:51:12 PM

Literally every. single. association. and agency in this country that has any interest in government oversight, law enforcement, human rights, colored people's rights, judicial review. Anyone that hasn't looked into this case in the US must have been living under a rock.

12/4/2014 11:53:41 PM

You really think that grand jury in Ferguson was normal don't you. lol. A prosecutor playing defense attorney at a grand jury proceeding is far from normal.

12/4/2014 11:57:08 PM