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"He definitely gets another year."

yeah i really don't see any way he gets canned after this year

10/18/2014 10:51:51 PM

this is all house money. even next year. 2016 when we have an experienced team of jrs and seniors that FIT the system, mcclendon will lead us to the promised land.

10/18/2014 10:59:01 PM

still plenty of time before 35 losses.

10/18/2014 11:04:50 PM

He has State's longest ACC losing streak ever

10/18/2014 11:09:16 PM

tbh, looking at things...2021 is gonna be our year.

10/18/2014 11:09:19 PM

If I see us try to run the wildcat again inside the 5 yard line I think I am going to throw my remote through the TV.

10/18/2014 11:20:03 PM

Ugh

I have a pet rabbit named HARDCORETKE

10/19/2014 1:07:42 AM

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"mcclendon will lead us to the promised land."

We wait that long for an ACC win?

10/19/2014 2:56:35 AM

we will get an acc win this year. we will get multiple acc wins next year and in 2016 we'll have a winning record in acc play.

[Edited on October 19, 2014 at 3:01 AM. Reason : baby steps]

10/19/2014 3:00:24 AM

Lolololol. You're like last fan left

10/19/2014 10:09:03 AM

I want to believe in Doeren. He just makes it really hard. I'd flip over to his side pretty quickly if he started winning games and stopped blowing timeouts in the stupidest ways possible.

10/19/2014 10:31:36 AM

i stand behind the notion of giving him at least 3 years

10/19/2014 11:39:39 AM

Precedent is at least 3 years, but we've only encountered that once (Tom Reed, who won 4 total ACC games in 3 years, 1 each for his first 2). Monte Kiffin was here 3 years, but was near-.500 and made the smart decision to go to the NFL, where he was better-suited.

I know everyone wants to say anything about Chuck Amato is moot unless you say it was all Philip Rivers, so the fact that he took his first 4 teams to bowls doesn't matter. But in his 2nd Rivers-free year, he went to one.

Mike O'Cain went in his first 2 years, but even after the system was cleared of Sheridan's players, he still managed 6-5, 7-5, and 6-6 teams before getting fired.

Sheridan took Tom Reed's players to the Peach Bowl and 8 wins in year one.

Doeren's record is unprecedented, unless you want to try to argue that what he left was Ted Roof at Duke levels of bad.

10/19/2014 2:19:18 PM

I wonder how many quarters we've won in our conference games. 1st quarter against FSU is the only one that comes to mind without doing any research at all.

10/19/2014 2:41:10 PM

2014

Won 1st Quarter vs FSU 24-7

Tied 4th Quarter vs Clemson 0-0 (Garbage time)

Tied 1st Quarter vs BC 14-14

Total 1-13-2 in 16 total quarters

2013

Won 4th Quarter vs Clemson 7-6

Won 2nd Quarter vs WF 10-7

Tied 1st Quarter vs Syracuse 0-0

Tied 2nd Quarter vs Syracuse 7-7

Won 3rd Quarter vs FSU 10-0 (Garbage time)

Tied 4th Quarter vs FSU 7-7 (Garbage time)

Won 3rd Quarter vs UNC 3-0

Won 3rd Quarter vs Duke 13-7

Tied 2nd Quarter vs BC 7-7

Tied 3rd Quarter vs MD 7-7

Tied 4th Quarter vs MD 0-0

Total 5-21-6 in 32 total quarters

[Edited on October 19, 2014 at 3:17 PM. Reason : 6-34-8 in 48 total quarters]

10/19/2014 3:16:39 PM

Just this season? If so, then yeh the FSU 1st Q is the only one

10/19/2014 3:18:53 PM

but guys, two time outs, its on him

10/19/2014 3:31:38 PM

lol at tying clemson in the 4th this year

[Edited on October 19, 2014 at 3:32 PM. Reason : dmstatspack]

10/19/2014 3:31:50 PM

Coulda, shoulda tied Louisville in 1st Q yesterday but damn Sade missed the XP

10/19/2014 3:34:15 PM

You have to take his exotic systems into consideration. Youbcant run this stuff with pro style players. We are going to be a good gimmick team that wins games off our system but right now we have lowe level pro style talent running crazy gimmick systems. Other coaches just ran what v was vest to fit the players we had. Its going to take longer to see dividends this way.

10/19/2014 5:03:11 PM

I'll check back in with the system when it gives us actual fucking results in ACC play. Beating cupcakes while being the laughing stock of the ACC is getting old.

10/19/2014 6:41:51 PM

I remember before doeren when we didnt even always beat cupcakes.

10/19/2014 7:17:08 PM

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"I remember before doeren when we didnt even always beat cupcakes."

I know you're trolling, but please cite whatever the hell you're talking about.

10/19/2014 8:26:38 PM

Akron?

We bareeely beat Richmond last year.

10/19/2014 8:43:59 PM

Georgia Southern has partial qualifiers

10/19/2014 9:26:40 PM

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"I'm not as pissed about this game as I was the BC game. We showed some progress today even though the coaching blunders are getting old and are inexcusable."

Hire Grobe to clean up mess? Or is that basically what TOB did?

10/19/2014 9:29:30 PM

Grobe at least took advantage of a down FSU and won something

10/19/2014 9:49:40 PM

Getting the right players doesn't make any difference if he's constantly making the world's worst decisions.

10/19/2014 11:44:39 PM

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"Other coaches just ran what v was vest to fit the players we had."

That is called good coaching. When the talent isn't great, you adjust the system to make the most of the players strong points. That is how you win games instead of just blaming your players, fans, officials, etc.

10/20/2014 7:50:42 AM

Gotta give him at least 3 years. I'm not saying he's destined for success, but the downside is too great for letting a coach go after 2 years. We'd lose recruits and have plenty of transfers. Most importantly, what decent coach is going to want to go to a losing program that fires a new coach after only 2 seasons?

10/20/2014 8:48:40 AM

Probably the same coaches that would come to a school that fires a bowl-bound coach.

10/20/2014 9:06:35 AM

We've already flushed one, pretty much two, seasons down the toilet so might as well invest one or two more seasons with the hope that this guy can succeed with his system fully established and a good balance of under and upperclassmen. But with how awful the in game coaching has been, I question whether his ceiling will really be any better than TOB's. I guess the hope is he is young, so his coaching should improve and he should recruit better than TOB. I don't know, I'm reaching for something positive to latch onto here

10/20/2014 9:08:31 AM

part of me thinks that we're losing more credibility by keeping him, than we would be by firing him after two years

we would have no problem finding a coach

10/20/2014 9:37:29 AM

Guys, he didn't even have his starters on defense. This game was never going to be close.

10/20/2014 9:41:37 AM

Yeah but some of his starters are worse than the back ups which was just more proof that he doesn't have a fucking clue

10/20/2014 9:46:56 AM

How dare you suggest Dirty D doesn't know a baller when he sees one.

10/20/2014 10:55:25 AM

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"we would have no problem finding a coach"

I don't doubt that we could easily find A coach, but do you honestly think you're going to get a good coach with HC experience and a proven winner? If so, I'd love to hear what that sales pitch would be, I mean what is the big draw for NCSU at this point?

So that means we're looking at an up-and-coming coordinator or a super-young coach, and then you're taking significant risk all over again.

I'd like to hear what experienced good coaches you/y'all think would come here in the hypothetical situation that we fire Doeren after his second year. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm genuinely curious.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 11:20 AM. Reason : .]

10/20/2014 10:57:14 AM

They don't want good coaches, spydyr. They want someone to come in and be juuuuust good enough to get them to bowl games so they can feel like they aren't horrible. They're happy living in mediocrity versus dealing with some adversity with the chance of coming out better on the other side.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 11:31 AM. Reason : ]

10/20/2014 11:31:30 AM

That's a perfect example showing that some people will ALWAYS tolerate awfulness as long as you offer them empty hope in the future, current situation be damned.

10/20/2014 11:58:19 AM

^^^ uh, largest university in a 3 state area?

10/20/2014 12:06:24 PM

oh brother

10/20/2014 12:11:37 PM

Despite all the bitching here, I doubt anyone is actually stupid enough to want DD fired now, or at the end of the season.

10/20/2014 12:16:43 PM

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"I doubt anyone is actually stupid enough to want DD fired now, or at the end of the season"

ibtfireddposts

10/20/2014 12:26:02 PM

Maybe next season

10/20/2014 12:30:38 PM

if he goes winless in the conference again, there is a 100% chance he gets fired

10/20/2014 12:35:55 PM

how do you figure 100%?

10/20/2014 12:37:37 PM

because it'd be ridiculous to keep a guy who is responsible for one of the worst conference losing streaks in the history of the conference?

it's not like he's coaching in the SEC

10/20/2014 12:40:17 PM

It's not about whether it's ridiculous or not to keep him, I'm wondering if you have some insight to claim that it's 100% certain that Debbie Yow will fire him.

10/20/2014 12:43:51 PM

I don't think he'd get fired....

But I actually think that firing a coach for going winless in two consecutive seasons is more reasonable than firing a coach who took you to three consecutive bowl games.

With that being said, I think he gets another year. But if he can't get an ACC win this year, he should be coaching for his job next season.


But this is Yow's hire, so who knows if she'd do that or not.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 12:46 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2014 12:44:56 PM

why would I have any inside info?

I think there is a 0% chance he's back if he goes winless again. that better?

10/20/2014 12:46:34 PM