typea is just a dumbass troll. ignore him. yes I've gotten in that cocky mode. it sucks to be brought back to earth

10/4/2005 12:19:03 AM

There is no dumbass trolling about it sir.

I got like that once. It was when I first started years ago with online PLAY MONEY poker.

I can't help his choice of terminology lead to a mild dose of ambiguity. Next time I'll be sure to spend several posts tiptoeing around the intended meaning of what he was trying to say so that I don't sweep any more sand into your vagina.

10/4/2005 12:24:16 AM

so do you play real money poker now? or are you still playing with bitch money?


[Edited on October 4, 2005 at 12:34 AM. Reason : btw: you can answer tommorow cause I gotta get to bed so I can be useful at work]

10/4/2005 12:29:11 AM

In Vegas.... now what should I do?

10/4/2005 3:03:46 AM

kiss your money goodbye

10/4/2005 3:09:14 AM

I think I will try to play it safe. If I decide to go for it, I will write back for advice ( and more money)

10/4/2005 3:13:10 AM

^lol I guess I don't get any advice for a while then

10/4/2005 4:13:14 AM

Quote :

"I just arrived in Connecticut last night, so I hit Foxwoods today. They have an interesting rake structure in which they take no rake, but they require a $5 fee every 30 minutes. I ended the night up $220, but it could have been more (lost $120 to a preflop all-in, I had QQ to AQ off). I had the best poker play of my life tonight too. To preface this, let me say that I have read through "Mike Caro's Book of Poker Tells." It's very interesting reading, and I have read through it fully twice already. Anyways, here's the hand: I was dealt 33 and a guy that had been playing really aggressively all night raised it to $12 preflop. I called, and the flop was Q74 with 2 hearts. The guy who initially raised quickly glanced down at his cards and then threw out a $25 bet. Two other players folded and the action was on me. At that very instant, I did something I have never done before. I paused for about 10 seconds, collected myself, and put him on Ax of hearts. Now granted, I had no idea what this "x" was. I really didn't think he had the queen, but we'll get back to that later. The reason I put him on Ax was because he raised every A preflop religiously, and the flush draw came from the tell of glancing at his cards after a flop with 2 of a suit. The fact that I didn't feel he had the queen was more of a logic play than anything. When somone has AQ suited, they remember exactly what cards they have. AQ suited is a really pretty hand, as far as poker hands go. There would be no need to look at your cards to see if you have AQ suited. So I call the $25 bet. The next card is a 2, no heart. This time he bets $40. Well, I decide to stick with my original read and I call. The last card is a J, once again an over, but once again, you remember AJ suited. He looks at me, looks down,and quickly bets $120 and glances up at me as if to judge my reaction. By this time, the pot was right around $180, of which I had contributed $77. I wanted so bad to fold. Calling $120 on the river with just pocket 3's while there are 4 overs out there is quite annerving. He sure as hell was attempting to represent either the Q or even an overpair. Losing $77 sucks, but losing $197 would have crippled me. I really believed he was on a flush draw, but I have been wrong before. Plus, even if my read was accurate, what was the "x"? I wasn't so much worried about the Q or J, but the 7 and 4 were scary as shit. Sheepishly, I said, "I'm sorry you missed your flush draw" and threw the $120 in chips in and flipped over 33. Everyone at the table was like "oh shit." The guy got a pissed off look and threw his hand in the middle. I wasn't even worried about the pot. I told the dealer to stop shuffling the chips, and that I wanted to see his hand because I had made the call. His cards had landed in a way such that they could easily be unmucked, and the dealer grabbed them and flipped over A9 of hearts. My heart skipped a beat. I could not believe I had just made that play. The next hour was a blur. I ended up cashing out, and not really getting involved with anymore big pots. I have never made a play like that before, and who knows if I ever will again. I totally attribute the win to me reading that book, and trying to pick up on tells that I normally pay no attention to. "

Damn... that is sexy. lol

10/4/2005 7:29:40 AM

Quote :

"I just arrived in Connecticut last night, so I hit Foxwoods today. They have an interesting rake structure in which they take no rake, but they require a $5 fee every 30 minutes. I ended the night up $220, but it could have been more (lost $120 to a preflop all-in, I had QQ to AQ off)."

This is common at all limit holdem games 10/20 and above, and NL games 2/5 and above. I beleive that FW does a time charge for 1/2 also, but the max buy for the 1/2 is $100.... seems quite a bit of a low buy in. The $5 every half hour is pretty substantial when you are paying 10% of your starting stack every hour. Compare that to a 10/20 limit game or something, where its 0.5 BB/hour. Just to beat the "rake" in the 1/2 NL game you need to crush it for >17BB/100.......

From what I read, the 1/2 NL is pretty much an all-in push fest. due to the short stacks. You can build up heavy, and many do however.

How was the waitlist at FW? The room is enormous, but ive heard awfull things aout the wait...

btw, great read. Thats one I would have dumped on the flop




Thinking about Vegas over Christmas break.. itll be a busy break..

Bellagio in Vegas week before Christmas, Jamacia the week after... woot

[Edited on October 4, 2005 at 7:51 AM. Reason : asfasdf]

[Edited on October 4, 2005 at 7:53 AM. Reason : w]

[Edited on October 4, 2005 at 7:53 AM. Reason : clarity]

10/4/2005 7:50:32 AM

Quote :

"so do you play real money poker now? or are you still playing with bitch money?"

Play with real money? Are you kidding? Of course it is still play money, and I'm still a pro.

10/4/2005 8:17:02 AM

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/28879.htm

10/4/2005 12:50:02 PM

I didn't know Foxwoods was the largest casino in the world until I saw something about in during a WPT event on TV.

10/4/2005 12:55:56 PM

I learned that the ability to adjust is probably one of the more important skills one needs at a poker table. I have become quite comfortable playing at a table full of people (8-10) where I can easily play position because in that setup I tend not to overvalue hands. It is in the smaller games when I rely on the strength of my hand in relation to the odds of someone having the same card I have with a stronger kicker where I run into trouble. Everyone knows what to do with AK and KK. But what do you do with highcard/lowcard of the same suit or an Ace with an okay kicker 4 handed? Usually I would fold these types of hands unless I was in a spot where I could confidently call (based on what people did before me) but I feel that I must some how get in a pot with a overvalued hand simply because I think many of the other players are doing so also. I know it sounds simplistic but I am trying every aspect of my play, no matter how mudane and insignificant it may seem.

10/4/2005 1:28:15 PM

Quote :

"This is common at all limit holdem games 10/20 and above, and NL games 2/5 and above. I beleive that FW does a time charge for 1/2 also, but the max buy for the 1/2 is $100.... seems quite a bit of a low buy in. The $5 every half hour is pretty substantial when you are paying 10% of your starting stack every hour. Compare that to a 10/20 limit game or something, where its 0.5 BB/hour. Just to beat the "rake" in the 1/2 NL game you need to crush it for >17BB/100....... "

Yeah, it does kinda suck, but it forces the action a little, which I kind of like. I am not at all upset at how I played my QQ. I overbet them like hell making it look like a bluff, and got a caller. The way it went down was I was small blind. There was a raiser to $12, and 1 caller. I had only been there for about 20 minutes and had played only 1 hand in which I went all-in on after the flop and got no callers, so I appeared to be one of those "all-in guys" (but I am certainly not one of those guys at all). Anyway, I raised $100 to about $110. The big blind thought about it and called (with only $80), and the first raiser folded, as well as the initial caller. I played my QQ just like I want to, all-in pre-flop. Unfortunately, I got a suckout loss. No biggie.

10/4/2005 2:13:18 PM

fock!

after 3 hours of tournamnet play

i busted both tournaments ini 15 seconds of each other.



fuckkkkkk


right on the bubble with a 7cs8 mtt, and then another with 6 straight race losses in a satellite for the 500k guaranteed on ps.

what a wasted 3 hours.

10/4/2005 3:50:02 PM

Quote :

"Everyone knows what to do with AK and KK."

We do?

10/4/2005 5:55:46 PM

first hand of a 10 person sng. AA vs KK. both of them go allin preflop KK flops trips and doubles up. hahahaha.

later in the tourney I'm dealt AA, flop comes KKA. I'm facing a 600 chip bet I push but before I do I get disconnected
fucccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

10/4/2005 6:11:50 PM

how does AK vs QQ vs JJ rank pre/post flop (guess i need to dig out hand history)


just placed 5th in a 45man sng. stupid fun bullshit 1.00+.20


What confuses me(percentage wise) I know i'm dominated, just now how badly
i had 2 over cards on both them, why did the QQ have to hit their set, couldnt a K or A drop instead

Quote :

"PokerStars Game #2726853347: Tournament #13375095, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/10/04 - 18:23:30 (ET) Table '13375095 2' Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: Flesnessman (25380 in chips) Seat 2: bri4n (7922 in chips) Seat 5: BRC_graf563 (10040 in chips) Seat 8: spotme50 (15982 in chips) Seat 9: sunlover55 (8176 in chips) Flesnessman: posts the ante 75 bri4n: posts the ante 75 BRC_graf563: posts the ante 75 spotme50: posts the ante 75 sunlover55: posts the ante 75 spotme50: posts small blind 600 sunlover55: posts big blind 1200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to bri4n [Ac Kd] Flesnessman: folds bri4n: raises 6647 to 7847 and is all-in BRC_graf563: calls 7847 spotme50: folds sunlover55: calls 6647 *** FLOP *** [Qd 3h 4c] sunlover55: bets 254 and is all-in BRC_graf563: calls 254 *** TURN *** [Qd 3h 4c] [5d] *** RIVER *** [Qd 3h 4c 5d] [9h] *** SHOW DOWN *** sunlover55: shows [Qs Qc] (three of a kind, Queens) BRC_graf563: shows [Jd Js] (a pair of Jacks) bri4n said, "gg" sunlover55 collected 508 from side pot bri4n: shows [Ac Kd] (high card Ace) sunlover55 collected 24516 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 25024 Main pot 24516. Side pot 508. | Rake 0 Board [Qd 3h 4c 5d 9h] Seat 1: Flesnessman folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: bri4n showed [Ac Kd] and lost with high card Ace Seat 5: BRC_graf563 (button) showed [Jd Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks Seat 8: spotme50 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: sunlover55 (big blind) showed [Qs Qc] and won (25024) with three of a kind, Queens "

[Edited on October 4, 2005 at 6:29 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2005 6:28:33 PM

hmmmmmm.....talking to support now about this hope to get the buyin refunded


[Edited on October 4, 2005 at 6:39 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2005 6:29:21 PM

DAMN! Quad Kings vs Quad Aces! I've never seen that live or online.

10/4/2005 7:59:03 PM

^ you're peeping the "winning" hand, not the community cards.

10/4/2005 8:14:07 PM

AH! Ok my bad

10/4/2005 8:37:51 PM

yeah, and I'm guessing the problem you were talking about is the person that had KKKAA somehow beat the person that had AAAKK?

I've never even seen that program anyway...weird

10/4/2005 8:57:11 PM

^yeah he had rockets and got d/c therefore folded his hand due to time out.



i think.

10/4/2005 9:18:43 PM

yeah, disconnected though my internet was still working. it sucked ass. they are possibly going to refund my buyin

10/4/2005 9:32:33 PM

^how much was that ?

10/4/2005 9:34:23 PM

the equivalent of $25. it was in their rounders tournies so it was basically a $25 token

10/4/2005 9:41:24 PM

got to the end of a multi table, 4 people left. i was 3rd place at that point. had Q10o. flop came 5 9 10. chip leader (had like 10x my chips) bet out half my stack. he was SB and just called at first, so i figured he had a pair (if anything) and was stabbing at it so i called. i was gonna go all in but i knew he'd call anyway, was kinda worried he might have an overcard too. next card out was a 2. he put me all in just like i knew he would. i called

Quote :

"[5h 9s Td 2h Js] Seat 1: banfoman (small blind) showed [Ts 2c] and won (9085) with two pair, Tens and Deuces Seat 6: jackleg512 showed [Th Qd] and lost with a pair of Tens"

MOTHERFUCKER BUSTED ME WITH THE DOYLE BRUNSON



hahaha still got 4th though, im ok with that

how would you experts have played that?? i think this guy would have called any raise i made preflop.

[Edited on October 5, 2005 at 1:31 AM. Reason : .]

10/5/2005 1:28:19 AM

I would have gotten 4th too

10/5/2005 1:33:08 AM

good, i feel validated now

only regret i have is that i was talking shit about doubling up through him, cause he was playing like a total fucking douchebag, i sat through like 2 tables worth of his insane raises

10/5/2005 1:36:44 AM

motherofgod

10/5/2005 5:27:16 AM

um. isn't the doyle brunson 10 3. not that it matters, that sucks.

10/5/2005 5:48:49 AM

no he's 10-2

if you're referring to the one where he wins the wsop with 10-3, he talks about at the beginning of the hand he wishes he had his normal 10-2

10/5/2005 6:19:45 AM

i wonder how much money people have lost playing the "doyle brunson"

10/5/2005 7:32:42 AM

Quote :

"motherofgod "

10/5/2005 7:36:59 AM

KOL... sorry dude. That was still the toughest call i ever made.

But the last hand of the night/morning was the WORST beat i've seen in a long long time

3 handed game, 25/50 blinds

dealer/utg (me) have ~$155
SB has about $250
BB has about $75

I fold... SB makes it $5 to go. BB calls.

Flop: 10 8 3 Rainbow. SB Bets ~$10... BB Raises $10 more. SB Goes all in. After about 30-45 seconds of consderation, he calls.

SB flips AA
BB Flips 8 4 suited

Turn J

River 4

Moronically brutal. This guy had been making the same play all night. Raising with crap and hitting. Or calling down with bottom/no pair and catching. All the while talking of how he had great reads on us (Though he reraised me earlier when i had quad 8s, and already had another caller in the hand to my bet on the river - when he had A high), knew our tells, and he had won a shiton of money elsewhere. I've played with him 2 times and never seen him win with a "big" hand. It's always like this... How the SB didn't deck him, I haven't figured out yet, as I surely would've.

[Edited on October 5, 2005 at 8:45 AM. Reason : a]

10/5/2005 8:40:04 AM

lol, so who knew you can only use 3 community cards in plo8



O_o

10/5/2005 12:54:25 PM

i've just discovered the wonders of $1/$2 limit, so i don't think i'll be going back to $.50/$1 anytime soon

10/5/2005 12:59:49 PM

^

1/2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .50/1.00


too bad my bankroll isn't big enough right now to sit back at 1/2

10/5/2005 1:17:42 PM

its great cause people don't fish as much and the payoff is much bigger. i went from about $36 to $100 in 20 minutes

10/5/2005 1:33:41 PM

yeah i sat with my last 25 bucks and left with about 80 or 90


then proceeded to lose it all in sng's and more ring games

10/5/2005 1:46:35 PM

I've had a lot of bad beats the last four times I've played poker..

All w/ people who didn't know what they were doing... lol

The funniest one so far was...

Guy makes a medium raise pre-flop.

I was already in w/ my A-J suited and I call along w/ a few other people.

This guy was the biggest stack at the table and I was second biggest stack. He was also the worst player at the table. Ironic how that works out...

So flop comes A 7 9 (rainbow) and the guy sits there and stares at the flop FOR-EV-ER... and finally says "I'm all in!!"

Well this is free poker so I didn't contemplate too long and I call.

Turn (no difference)

River... 3.


He says! "Man that's great!!!! I am soooo good at poker!!!!! I rule!!!"

Turns over pocket 3s. I simply ask him: "Wanna play a cash game?"

10/5/2005 2:21:48 PM

it really is ridiculous how some people can suck so bad and get so lucky. you really have to play with people like that consistently in order to make money off them so the odds play in your favor

10/5/2005 2:26:04 PM

last night
"free poker" at The Point on Glenwood
six-handed
middle possition, i get pocket 4s
i limped in, blinds and one caller in front of me
with three in the pot, the cut off raises from 400 to 1200 (he's a spuratic player and often raises with random bs that i wouldn't limp with)
everyone calls, maybe a blind folded...i don't rememeber
flop 4x,5c,9c
1st bets
i raise ... get re-raised ... original pre-flop raiser folds ... 1st calls ... i move all in ... and they both call.
so, yeah, one is on the nut flush draw with Ac, 10c, but my all-in was a lot...i wouldn't have expected him to call. and the other caller (1st) has A,9 os, so, just top pair on the board.
anyhow, i dodged the flush...and picked up the case 4 on the turn. it was huge.
i think that was maybe the third or fourth hand i had played after three rounds of blinds. i nursed my chips, made a couple of good calls, couple of bad calls ... but ended up winning.
yay.
fear the 4s!

10/5/2005 2:32:40 PM

accnt specific party reloads.

10/5/2005 3:02:42 PM

^^ Props!

Let me ask y'all another question.... in your live games, have you ever seen one person completely own another person. No matter what they have, they always can get the other on tilt and take his money.

The person who was listed as the recipient of the bad bead from ^10 or so ago tosses my neighbor around like a rag doll. It's not all luck, like he gets outkicked or suckedout. But he perfectly advertises his bluffs, and sets him upf or the kill, and always get him to bet into the nuts.

Last night it was the strong player rebuying after a brutal beat for $40 that put him on tilt. He was so afraid of him having more chips than he did, that he pissed away his $ in 10 hands, including going all in for over $10 preflop with 6 9 suited. Last week he whined like a little bitch when the strong player called to come over late after leaving another game.

But I am almost convinced that he could play all his hands against my neighbor face up, and still completely dominate him. He should just hand the stong player $40 every week and let him kick him in the balls.

[Edited on October 5, 2005 at 3:10 PM. Reason : d]

10/5/2005 3:10:11 PM

Why are ya being a suckup today Sean?

10/5/2005 3:18:08 PM

I'm not sucking up. Anyone who watches 10 hands in the game that they're in would say the same thing.

10/5/2005 3:23:09 PM

i approve of your first name

10/5/2005 3:29:38 PM

Ah but the way you talk about the poor "weaker" player...

You would think this isn't just a poker thing, but a man-to-man kind of battle.

That's just referencing...

Quote :

"tosses my neighbor around like a rag doll."

Quote :

"He was so afraid of him having more chips than he did, that he pissed away his $ in 10 hands, including going all in for over $10 preflop with 6 9 suited. Last week he whined like a little bitch when the strong player called to come over late after leaving another game. "

It's like you're actually questioning the manhood of this guy instead of his poker skills and this IS a poker thread, but hey- that's just how I read it. I'm sure you're not actually calling one a weaker person and the other a stronger person at all.

[Edited on October 5, 2005 at 3:36 PM. Reason : I mean especially not on a public message board where Mr Weak is not even present to defend himself.]

10/5/2005 3:30:41 PM