You are an idiot if you think I have directed anything more than tolerance towards you.

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 10:28 AM. Reason : meant for face]

2/22/2012 10:27:42 AM

they were ~30% from three in the last game compared to over 50% last night and they beat us even worse then.

2/22/2012 10:30:03 AM

either double team Zeller/Henson in the post or let Howell get raped 1-on-1 by a guy who has 5 inches on him

pick your poison

2/22/2012 10:34:20 AM

I think Haynes said in the post game that our ACC 3pt defense is:

44% on home
18% on the road

That's crazy bizarre. I guess Gottfried forgets to game plan for home games.

The strategy last night was fine. UNC is just on a different level than every team sans Kentucky when they are on their A game.

2/22/2012 10:41:02 AM

See guys just proving a point that you should never, ever compliment a girl.

It causes their vag to shrivel and dry up like its under a golden corral heatlamp.

Stick to the misogyny and play your way right to the lovebox .


Beethoven you don't post dancing with the stars updates during the game and you don't even bang the players like wolfpackgirl17. What are we getting out of you?

2/22/2012 10:43:22 AM

Quote :

"either double team Zeller/Henson in the post or let Howell get raped 1-on-1 by a guy who has 5 inches on him pick your poison"

thats my point, doubling off the shooters and hoping they have a bad shooting night is the best option.

2/22/2012 10:47:02 AM

Quote :

"You are an idiot if you think I have directed anything more than tolerance towards you."

ahahahahahahahahaha

2/22/2012 10:58:19 AM

Ok back to reality posts.

We need to play duke in the acc tourney. They obviously want no part of us after last games thrashing. They just don't have the athletes to match up and they know it.

That would give us the emphatic quality win we need. Beating unc and Fsu this year is a pipe dream, not going to happen we can't hang close on a neutral floor with them.

So if we finish 4/5 we need duke #1. If we are #6 we need duke at #3.

2/22/2012 11:02:10 AM

The tourney is Coach K's bread and butter. His teams always show up to play. I looked up last year where Duke had played in the ACC Championship game like 9 of the last 12 years or something.

2/22/2012 11:10:18 AM

That is true, but we will beat them if we play them this year most likely.

We've had a lot of success against duke in the tourney except when they beat us by 30 in the title game in 02 when they were stacked.

We beat them twice with two of our worst teams. Sid and herbs first year when we completely sucked. And we had a 14 point lead when Powell dominated them before Hodge peed his pants trying to upstage J.Clay Redick (I'm not calling him JJ anymore the guys middle name is fucking Clay, he's either J.Clay or J.C. you can't just rename your kid because his infant sister can't say his name correctly that's beyond dumb)

2/22/2012 11:18:57 AM

Quote :

"Ok back to reality posts. We need to play duke in the acc tourney. They obviously want no part of us after last games thrashing. They just don't have the athletes to match up and they know it. That would give us the emphatic quality win we need. Beating unc and Fsu this year is a pipe dream, not going to happen we can't hang close on a neutral floor with them. So if we finish 4/5 we need duke #1. If we are #6 we need duke at #3."

I agree with you when you're not being a troll.

2/22/2012 11:21:07 AM

Duke obviously wants no part of us, even though they already came back from a 20 point deficit to beat us. Coach K is a terrible coach who is scared of us, and we'd beat Duke by 40 in the ACC tourney.

2/22/2012 11:32:30 AM

^ Don't try and troll a troll.

We outplayed Duke for the majority of that game. Our weakness are teams with good inside games...Duke does not have that.

We don't have foul trouble that keeps our best perimeter and interior defenders out for a majority of that game and we win running away. And that's at Duke.

2/22/2012 11:38:20 AM

We outplayed Duke the majority of that game. It won't happen again. Why anybody would think it would is beyond me. Coach K is arguably the best college bball coach of all time, you don't think he is going to make adjustments after seeing Mark Gottfried's Wolfpack team for the first time ever? For fuck's sake, he already made in-game adjustments to beat us.

I also doubt Duke misses their first 10 or 12 3-pointers like they did against us, and I doubt we shoot 55% from behind the arc or whatever we shot.

2/22/2012 11:39:17 AM

Because we saw the game and realize duke doesn't match up with us.

2/22/2012 11:42:18 AM

Quote :

"For fuck's sake, he already made in-game adjustments to beat us."

Coach K's game plan:

Shoot a lot of threes, drive to the basket and draw fouls.

Coach K's in-game adjustments:

Keep shooting threes, drive to the basket for easy lay-ups because everyone is in foul trouble and won't contest shots.



Thanks Tree.

2/22/2012 11:43:18 AM

^^we sure owned Duke during the last few minutes of the game

^yep...you've just accurately summarized what he's done for 900 and whatever wins, its as simple as that

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

2/22/2012 11:43:31 AM

You just said he made in-game adjustments. Show me them.

2/22/2012 11:46:04 AM

The refs made in game adjustments.

2/22/2012 11:48:05 AM

MG had the correct game plan against UNC. They killed us in the paint in game #1; we took that away during last nights game. We dominated inside the paint. What changed was UNC's 3 point shooting. They were lights out last night, compared to decent the game before. We don't have the players or depth to defend both a great inside and outside game. Not a 1st year coach's problem.

2/22/2012 11:50:14 AM

foul trouble obviously had a lot to do with it, but Duke driving inside a lot more drew those fouls...they also got defenders out on AJ and shut down our 2nd leading scorer that game completely in the 2nd half...I certainly think the way we played in the first 30 minutes of the game showed how good we can be when we're clicking on all cylinders...i've also seen way too many State/Duke games where we get leads and they comeback and win to ever WANT to play duke in the acc tourney

they've won like 10 of the last 12 ACC tournaments or something, why the hell would you want to play them

2/22/2012 11:52:48 AM

I agree with Tree: if we played Duke again, they'd actually have a normal shooting night, unlike the 2-for-14 3PT performance they had in the 1st half

2/22/2012 11:54:47 AM

Because we can beat them and we can't beat unc/Fsu. Stay with us here

2/22/2012 11:55:56 AM

I hate to go face on you here, but come the fuck on.

We need the win. We showed we can play with Duke. That shit is a loser's mentality.

Duke started driving after that 6 minute stint of the refs being whistle happy. They didn't draw their fouls on us like you claim.

2/22/2012 11:56:24 AM

Quote :

" they've won like 10 of the last 12 ACC tournaments or something, why the hell would you want to play them"

Because we match up well with them.

We match up HORRIBLY with UNC and FSU. Although FSU has less talent than UNC, they are more athletic. We can't do JACK SHIT inside against either of those teams. And FSU's guards (and UNC's) can shut our perimeter guys down as well. So unless we are hitting contested threes and/or creating a lot of turnovers (and our defense isn't that great, as you've seen), we have VERY LITTLE chance of beating those teams.

We don't have to worry about Duke's inside game on offense or defense. We only have to worry about them going lights out from three and getting in foul trouble. If they don't go lights out and we don't get in foul trouble, we have a greater than 50% chance of beating them. It's that simple. You can game plan all you want, but we were up 20 on them with Scott Wood being a non-factor and 3 of our top 5 players out for a majority of the game.

That's why you want to play Duke (as opposed to UNC/FSU).

2/22/2012 11:57:54 AM

I'd definitely rather play Duke than UNC...but the way we were drawing fouls at will on FSU, I'd much rather play them again...Duke or UNC are almost guaranteed to drop 80 points or more on you, FSU is lucky to score 65 a game

its hard to even look at the FSU game objectively since our entire team was still hung over from the Duke loss

2/22/2012 12:01:22 PM

Yeah we really made UNC uncomfortable out there by forcing them to shoot 50% from 2's, 53% 3's, take 24 free throws , and turn the ball over nine times.

They were well on their way to dropping a hundred burger on us if they hadn't gone into four corners with seven minutes left and a huge lead.

Saying we played good defense last night is essentially like saying dikembe mutombo, Marcus camby, and Ben Wallace offered no value to their team. Anyone can play bad defense , why would be proud of playing it?

2/22/2012 12:01:36 PM

FSU had a high production game against us. I think we can do much better against them than we did.

A Duke win is still greater than a FSU win...so it's null.

2/22/2012 12:02:56 PM

any way you look at it, all 3 teams are tough and will be hard to beat

maybe Miami or Va Tech can knock out one of them for us

2/22/2012 12:03:02 PM

Quote :

"Duke or UNC are almost guaranteed to drop 80 points or more on you, FSU is lucky to score 65 a game"

Duke and UNC are almost guaranteed to give up 80 points or more, FSU is almost guaranteed to give up 65 or less

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 12:03 PM. Reason : You see how that works]

2/22/2012 12:03:32 PM

if we play FSU again I also think its highly unlikely Karl Hess will be officiating the game

^if we have a 20 point lead on FSU, i dont think they have the offense to come back like Duke did

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 12:04 PM. Reason : .]

2/22/2012 12:04:08 PM

I think we see Karl when Miami comes to town...

2/22/2012 12:04:48 PM

if we have a 20 point lead on FSU, then Leonard Hamilton took his scholarship players to the locker room early

2/22/2012 12:06:13 PM

You don't get a 20-point lead on FSU

Too slow, too good defensively

2/22/2012 12:06:27 PM

unless you're Clemson

2/22/2012 12:09:48 PM

We aren't Clemson . And we would get destroyed by Fsu if we played them this year I think




If only there was a way to know for sure

2/22/2012 12:11:38 PM

obviously our team was 100% focused on the Seminoles, and wasn't at all still disappointed about Duke beating us

Duke did beat us right? i thought we blew them out?

2/22/2012 12:12:38 PM

No that was Fsu that blew us out

And they would do it again. Total slaughter

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 12:18 PM. Reason : a]

2/22/2012 12:16:37 PM

i wonder which advanced statistics account for hangovers from previous heartbreaking losses a few days earlier, surely there is a quantifiable metric

Duke only outscored us 48-27 in the 2nd half, we matchup with them so well

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 12:22 PM. Reason : .]

2/22/2012 12:18:30 PM

Quote :

"For fuck's sake, he already made in-game adjustments to beat us."

he didn't break out the whiteboard at halftime. he broke out his wallet

2/22/2012 12:20:10 PM

What's the deal with not giving Tyler Harris more playing time? I've watched him in practice and shoot-arounds and he is MASSIVELY better than TDT in every aspect of the game. I just don't understand why he isn't even remotely being given a chance.

2/22/2012 12:43:00 PM

While I agree that we need Duke to be the #1 seed, I don't know how likely that is.

What is the tie breaker sequence?

Duke, FSU and UNC are within a 1/2 game of each other right now as far as ACC standings. UNC currently has a 1/2 game lead over Duke and FSU. All teams have two games that are potentially problematic.

UNC's remaining schedule: @ UVA, MD, @ Duke
Duke's remaining schedule: @ FSU, VT, @ Wake, UNC
FSU's remaining schedule: Duke, @ MIA, @ UVA, Clemson

While there are multiple scenarios (statistics was not my thing), there are really only 6 that I believe are likely (3 of which have Duke as the #1 seed):

Scenario 1: Assuming UNC and Duke win out until they face each other. Duke wins the UNC game. Duke is in our section of the bracket (assuming we don't drop out of the 4/5 seed) because they won both games against UNC and would have the better overall record. (FSU and UNC would be tied for the 2 seed. Does it go to the overall record next or ACC head-to-head?)

Scenario 2: Assuming UNC and Duke win out until they face each other. UNC wins the Duke game. UNC is in our section of the bracket (assuming we don't drop out of the 4/5 seed).

Scenario 3: UNC drops a game, but beats Duke. Duke wins out, but loses to UNC. FSU wins out with the exception of the Duke game. All three teams have the same ACC record. Duke and UNC would have the same overall record and split head-to-head games. FSU would have a lower overall record and split head-to-head games with Duke but a winning record over UNC. Our fate lies with a coin toss?

Scenario 4: UNC drops a game, and Duke wins out. Duke is in our section of the bracket (assuming we don't drop out of the 4/5 seed).

Scenario 5: Duke drops a game (but not to FSU), and beats UNC. Duke is in our section of the bracket (assuming we don't drop out of the 4/5 seed).

Scenario 6: Duke drops the FSU game, wins out otherwise. UNC wins out, but loses to Duke. FSU is in our section of the bracket because they won all three head-to-head games against Duke and UNC and have the same ACC record. However, this would change if the sequence considered overall record before head-to-head.

Summary: Duke (3 scenarios); UNC (1); FSU (1); coin toss (1).

2/22/2012 12:43:56 PM

more than likely we'll be facing uva in the second round, I think a win against them would be good enough

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 12:50 PM. Reason : wins against gt, uva and duke = lock]

2/22/2012 12:49:43 PM

^ that would definitely put us back on the bubble, but I don't know that it would get us dancing

2/22/2012 12:53:47 PM

If we win out and then beat UVA we dance.

2/22/2012 12:59:19 PM

Number of ACC teams sent to the NCAA tourney

2011: 4 ACC teams
2010: 6
2009: 7
2008: 4
2007: 7
2006: 4
2005: 5
2004: 6
2003: 4
2002: 6 (if you count BC)

If we win out and beat UVA in the second round (but lose to UNC, Duke, or FSU in the third round), then I guess we'd make the tourney based on the fact that 6/10 previous years the ACC has sent 5 or more schools to the dance.

Problem is that our only quality win would be UVA (and only then would be a split head-to-head). Other notable win would be Texas (not ranked and less than .500 in the Big 12). We have lost to every top 25 team we've played (Vandy, Syracuse, Duke, UVA, FSU, and UNC). While we played some of them close, I still think that we are going to be on the bubble. A UVA win does not lock us as a dancing team.

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 1:38 PM. Reason : Win out, plus a win over UVA and playing Duke, FSU or UNC close would take us dancing though.]

2/22/2012 1:36:18 PM

This ACC is worse than any ACC in your list. Four teams max unless the 5 or 6-seed goes deep.

2/22/2012 1:38:33 PM

[quote]I hate to go face on you here, but come the fuck on.

We need the win. We showed we can play with Duke. That shit is a loser's mentality.

Duke started driving after that 6 minute stint of the refs being whistle happy. They didn't draw their fouls on us like you claim.[/quote

Exactly. hell, most of Howell's fouls were no where near the basket. We match up favorably against Duke. If we weren't in foul trouble with half of our starters on the bench most of the second half, we would have run away with that game.

Duke's "adjustment" was to wait until all our "bigs" were on the bench so they could go inside since they sure as shit couldn't do it before then.

2/22/2012 2:00:10 PM

After watching all 3 games (Duke, FSU, UNC) I agree with everyone that thinks drawing Duke would be the best case scenario.

Of the three of them, I honestly would like to face FSU the least. We never stood a chance

2/22/2012 2:16:19 PM

I fail to see how not wanting to play Duke is having a loser's mentality when I'd rather get revenge on FSU...either one would be a quality win

2/22/2012 2:26:43 PM