You're just stating your opinion as fact. You tend to do that a lot. He may get fired, but it's not "100%". Would you bet your life on it?

10/20/2014 12:49:33 PM

you tend to read opinions as fact

10/20/2014 12:51:33 PM

i should of known that when you say something is 100% guaranteed, it just means that's your opinion

10/20/2014 12:55:36 PM

Firing him, even if we finish the season without a conference win, is fucking retarded unless A)they have a coach lined up before hand and B) that coach is a proven coach with a well-known brand.

Since A and B are unlikely, firing him would be retarded because what coach wants to come to a school (a school without strong national name recognition for football) where you get fired if you can't win immediately with the previous coach's players? We have to ride this out at least a couple more years.

10/20/2014 1:08:27 PM

^^ do you qualify everything you say to a friend/post on here with an "in my opinion"?

if I'm saying something, and I'm not citing a source or another opinion, it tends to mean that's it's my opinion

^ you don't get to take over a moderately successful program and go winless in 2 seasons and keep your job. the resources are there. can you name a coach who took over a situation similar to ours, went winless in-conference for two years, and got to keep his job?

again, this whole argument started with, "if he goes winless again". let's wait and see if that happens.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 1:13 PM. Reason : .]

10/20/2014 1:09:40 PM

i don't make definitive statements like this when I'm giving my opinion

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"if he goes winless in the conference again, there is a 100% chance he gets fired"

I'd probably say "If he goes winless, I don't see how he doesn't get fired" or "if he goes winless, i think/i bet/he's gotta get fired".

10/20/2014 1:12:41 PM

well, if he did that, it 100% wouldn't change anything, guaranteed

you'd still be beating your chest and tooting your white knight bugle over your savior dave doeren

GUARANTEED

10/20/2014 1:16:35 PM

You're one of those knee-jerkers that concludes that if someone doesn't hate somebody with a passion, then they therefore must think that they're a "savior"? I'm surprised you haven't called me a commie yet.

I mean, i haven't even really defended him this season and have basically just said that we won't know for a while, and that he'll probably get at least next season (if not more) regarless of the results this year, no matter how many people beat their chest for his termination. But what do I know? He may be fired after we get blown-out by Syracuse.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 1:31 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2014 1:18:11 PM

All a coach can do is put his players in a position to win. This coaching staff has not only not done that, but hindered multiple chances for a W. We'd have had our ACC win by now, if the coaches hadn't spectacularly screwed up the way they have so far.

DD needs to "learn" on the job. And quickly.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 1:36 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2014 1:22:21 PM

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" Since A and B are unlikely, firing him would be retarded because what coach wants to come to a school (a school without strong national name recognition for football) where you get fired if you can't win immediately with the previous coach's players? We have to ride this out at least a couple more years. "

Right, but we also fired a coach who took us to three consecutive bowl games. And we didn't "ride that one out" either. It's not as if we have a track record of making solid decisions.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 1:26 PM. Reason : I don't think he gets fired this year, regardless of results]

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 1:27 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2014 1:23:13 PM

nice edit Bullet

real classy

10/20/2014 1:33:13 PM

Based solely on some of the in-game coaching decisions he's made, it wouldn't be hard at all to argue that he's out of his league

I realize that the team isn't overflowing with talent & that TOB's "recruiting" didn't help matters at all. That said, is it the players who are at fault for questionable, at best, use of timeouts seemingly every week?

Is the team unable to run a simple HB Dive from the 1 yard line? If not, then failure to call that play should fall on the coaching staff. If the team can't run one of the simplest plays in all of football, then that would still fall on the coaching staff

Frequent use of the wildcat when you NEVER throw from the formation? Just walk out onto the field & formally invite the other team to stack 11 in the box

Maybe DD & this staff are great at recruiting & developing talent, but from a lot of the in-game decisions I've seen, they'll need to be great at those 2 attributes b/c that's the only way to overcome some of the coaching blunders

That said, I think college coaches should get at least 3 seasons to show their aforementioned abilities to find & build talent. Maybe DD & friends can go to a coaching decisions workshop over the summer?

10/20/2014 1:35:31 PM

^^I edited "retard" to "knee-jerker" because I thought it was too harsh, i'm sorry. But I'm not sure why you keep attacking me and calling me a white knight, saying things like I think he's a "savior" when i've made no such claim, and then you talk about being classy.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 1:56 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2014 1:37:46 PM

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"And we didn't "ride that one out" either"

2007-2012, that was long enough to see what he could develop here

10/20/2014 1:54:49 PM

I agree that coaches should get 3 years in football. So he's basically got 16 games to show us something, anything.

10/20/2014 1:58:25 PM

He's already showed us "something" against FSU this year and Clemson last year.... he needs to show that effort more consistently and not just once or twice a year.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 2:03 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2014 2:03:19 PM

^^^Not really. He needed time to rebound the program from Amato's last year's. He even got one less year than his predecessors.


Let's all cut the shit, here. We dumped O'Brien for a younger girl girl with perky tits. We're now discovering that she's kind of a twat and is going to blow-up to be just as fat as her trashy mom while constantly blaming us for her shitty problems.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 2:09 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2014 2:07:19 PM

I love it when life-analogies like that are used for sports.

10/20/2014 2:08:56 PM

Feel free to slap your knees, Confucius.

10/20/2014 2:10:12 PM

I did, Nostradamus.

10/20/2014 2:11:37 PM

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"Based solely on some of the in-game coaching decisions he's made, it wouldn't be hard at all to argue that he's out of his league I realize that the team isn't overflowing with talent & that TOB's "recruiting" didn't help matters at all. That said, is it the players who are at fault for questionable, at best, use of timeouts seemingly every week? Is the team unable to run a simple HB Dive from the 1 yard line? If not, then failure to call that play should fall on the coaching staff. If the team can't run one of the simplest plays in all of football, then that would still fall on the coaching staff Frequent use of the wildcat when you NEVER throw from the formation? Just walk out onto the field & formally invite the other team to stack 11 in the box Maybe DD & this staff are great at recruiting & developing talent, but from a lot of the in-game decisions I've seen, they'll need to be great at those 2 attributes b/c that's the only way to overcome some of the coaching blunders That said, I think college coaches should get at least 3 seasons to show their aforementioned abilities to find & build talent. Maybe DD & friends can go to a coaching decisions workshop over the summer?"

I can't disagree with any of this.

I will say that I was very pleased to see us finally do a little trickery out of the wildcat...Shad (or maybe Dayes) took the snap, handed to Hines, who pitched it back to Brissett. It resulted in an incomplete pass. But at least it shows that there is something else we can possibly do out of that wildcat formation. Maybe it'll at least keep defenses honest in future.

But that loss to Louisville is pretty much entirely on the coaching. Questionable play calling. Poor time out management. That really took away any chance we had it coming back in the game.

From an execution standpoint, I think we played a pretty solid game. Far from perfect, but we played much better than we did vs BC the week before. The D looked somewhat capable and competent. Offense moved the ball fairly well against a strong defense. And I think the coaching staff deserves some credit there. We came out ready to play and played one of the more complete conference games of Doeren's 1.5 seasons so far. And I was very glad to see Shadrach get the start and wind up with bulk of the carries...even though 13 carries is still not enough for him. He should be getting more carries.

Stat I saw on twitter today...NC State is 2nd in the nation in "lowest % non-sack runs resulting in loss or no gain". Granted, that may be skewed some by Jacoby's ability to avoid sacks and pick up yardage. But that's still pretty impressive. And given that stat, it really seems like we are to quick to abandon the run some games.

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 2:14 PM. Reason : k]

10/20/2014 2:12:15 PM

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"He's already showed us "something" against FSU this year and Clemson last year.... he needs to show that effort more consistently and not just once or twice a year."

one good quarter and an ok showing on a Thursday night doesn't count for much in the standings. besides, those were the types of games that his predecessors won on a semi-regular basis. I thought we're better than moral victories.

10/20/2014 2:13:17 PM

I was just saying that he and/or the current team has shown that they can actually play good football, they've just only done it for a few stretches in two years, and that certainly isn't going to cut it.

10/20/2014 2:15:38 PM

Is this what we've resorted to? Finding gerrymandered statistics to hang our hats on?

10/20/2014 2:18:17 PM

Do we fire the coach or AD too?

10/20/2014 2:29:46 PM

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"Is this what we've resorted to? Finding gerrymandered statistics to hang our hats on?"

I wasn't exactly bragging about the statistic...but using it to question why we don't runt the ball more.

10/20/2014 2:33:27 PM

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"Is this what we've resorted to?"

You resorted to calling our coach a bimbo with perky tits, so pretty much anything is fair game at this point.

10/20/2014 2:35:14 PM

The real tragedy here is that some of you apparently think back-to-back time-outs lost us the game against Louisville, or that the improvement in effort by the players somehow exists in a vacuum outside of coaching influence.

10/20/2014 2:35:23 PM

If wasted timeouts hadn't become a weekly thing, I personally wouldn't have brought it up

10/20/2014 2:39:11 PM

Didn't Louisville lose to Clemson last week? They were still hungover by that. They were nowhere close to good Saturday...

10/20/2014 2:44:36 PM

Is it possible that the back-to-back timeouts against Louisville was because the players screwed-up, and not the coacH? (i know, i know, he's the coach. the buck stops at the coach)

I'm already forgetting, we did get the stop there didn't we?

10/20/2014 2:45:44 PM

They're not even that perky

10/20/2014 2:49:46 PM

^^yes we did get the stop. here's DD's comments about the timeouts:

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"Doeren called two straight timeouts at 5:13 in the fourth quarter with Louisville facing third and 17 from the N.C. State 28-yard line. "We didn't have the right defense in the game," Doeren said. "I didn't want to give them a big play." Doeren said he made an adjustment expecting a Louisville running play after the first timeout but then didn't like how his team lined up after the initial timeout. Then he decided to use his last timeout. "I communicated something I wanted and it didn't get communicated the right way," Doeren said. "I didn't want to be in that defense.""

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM. Reason : arrows]

10/20/2014 2:50:58 PM

Sounds like Petrino outfoxed him.

10/20/2014 2:54:39 PM

If we're seriously talking about "how many quarters we've won" to try to act like DD still has this massive upside and will only take his final true form of excellence with 4 years to build, we've already lost.

Aside from Duke, no other current ACC coach didn't make a bowl in the 1st 2 years. I'm willing to accept 2 more wins against mediocre teams. But 0? And still act like "progress is coming!"? There's no precedent for holding onto that, unless you're Duke and you were previously losing everything by 30.

10/20/2014 3:30:55 PM

i don't think anybody is saying he has a "massive upside" jaybee.

At this time, I think the most positive comments he's getting is that it's too soon to tell if has an upside, but for now we need to ride it out.

10/20/2014 3:33:09 PM

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"If we're seriously talking about "how many quarters we've won" to try to act like DD still has this massive upside and will only take his final true form of excellence with 4 years to build, we've already lost."

i think that was more of a "wow look how shitty we've been the last two seasons" and not an attempt to prove anything about DD.

10/20/2014 3:39:50 PM

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"2nd in the nation in "lowest % non-sack runs resulting in loss or no gain""

I had to read this statement 2-3 times before I figured out what it actually meant. This is one of the things I hate the most about modern sports and the new technology that allows quick and efficient number-crunching. Super-obscure stats get brought up as incredible achievements as some form of talking point.

"He just became the third ranked quarterback for number of yards ran on a Friday game against the 3-5-3 defense since 2008."
HELL YEAH!

[Edited on October 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2014 3:47:35 PM

^It's worded poorly, for sure. But in short it just means we rarely get negative yardage on run plays. And to me, it begs the question...why don't we run more? Against BC especially, I thought we were quick to abandon the run. And while we were 10 at the time, that wasn't an insurmountable lead. It seemed like we tried to air it out and go for the big 20+ yard play instead of trying to put together a long drive.

10/20/2014 4:02:45 PM

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" i don't think anybody is saying he has a "massive upside" jaybee. At this time, I think the most positive comments he's getting is that it's too soon to tell if has an upside, but for now we need to ride it out. "

Of course. But here's the rub: I think he's already showing us that we won't win many games that are going to be decided by coaching. He makes some seriously bad situational decisions. And, if we want to eventually win the ACC, we're going to have to outcoach a team or two during the season. And that's the root of my frustration with him.

10/20/2014 5:07:44 PM

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"but do you honestly think you're going to get a good coach with HC experience and a proven winner?"

We did that after we fired Chuck. TOB came to us even. It's not like it is a dead end job.

10/20/2014 5:46:07 PM

lol, yeah it is

10/20/2014 6:14:32 PM

TOB certainly treated it like one.

10/20/2014 6:58:09 PM

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"i don't think anybody is saying he has a "massive upside" jaybee. At this time, I think the most positive comments he's getting is that it's too soon to tell if has an upside, but for now we need to ride it out."

People sound like they want 4 years for him to "get his system straight" or whatever.

And do you just not have any reading comprehension skills or reading skills period whatsoever? Do our posts look remotely the same? I could tell you the detailed stories of games I was at on the hill at C-F back in 1989 and you'd still shit your pants and say the same thing.

10/20/2014 8:34:35 PM

interesting, Jibbles. tell us more.

10/20/2014 8:55:07 PM

lets fire doeren and hire muschamp!

10/20/2014 8:57:15 PM

Once the Panthers beat the seahawks and everybody realizes Pete Carroll sucks, we can hire him. Or is there a show cause penalty on him

10/20/2014 9:09:19 PM

we should hire lane kiffin. o coord at alabama and best coach tennessee has had in a while

10/20/2014 9:09:59 PM

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"TOB certainly treated it like one."

Okay? Yeah God forbid we made bowls and beat UNC. Damn we coulda done something if he had tried.

What's funny is you were like the biggest Sid Lowe supporter ever when he sucked from Day one.

10/20/2014 9:16:23 PM

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". besides, those were the types of games that his predecessors won on a semi-regular basis."

those teams were shitty and not the bcs winning fsu and clemson of last year. apples to orange bowls

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" TOB came to us even. It's not like it is a dead end job."

we hired him off the hot seat sendekian arizona state style.

Its either a dead end job or a make a name for yourself job untl someone comes here and makes a name for themselves so that another good coach can be the glennon to their wisconsin bound wilson

10/20/2014 11:08:38 PM