Quote :

"why would he be happier with the 9mm?"

Cheaper ammo, less recoil, higher capacity and essentially identical terminal performance. That's why.....

Quote :

"You MUST destroy or demil the weapon according to current ATF regs..... those are your only options."

NAW SON, NOT REALLY. AGAIN, THERE IS THE THIRD OPTION, WHICH IS FAR BETTER THAN YOUR BULLSHYTE "OPTIONS" THAT AREN'T OPTIONS AT ALL SON.

5/28/2009 11:29:25 AM

Quote :

"Are you speaking XD or XDM? I have the XD40, so if you can get an XD9, I'll go to the range with you and you can try mine (just pay your own range fee + get ammo)"

well if I'm getting one, at this point it might as well be the XDM, and like I said I've shot an XDM 9mm and love it, apparently it wasn't too long ago that PDHSC quit renting a .40 gun

I'm probably leaning toward the 9mm since I probably will shoot a little better with it from day one, and also my other handgun is 9mm so I could buy in bulk for both and a lot cheaper than with .40

5/28/2009 12:02:00 PM

side note- my friend just said he went to wally world and they had a bunch of 9mm blazer in stock...

5/28/2009 3:06:08 PM

Another thing- I'm looking at building an AR from the ground up.


I have a local source for a cheap RRA stipped lower ($169), and I am thinking about going .223 with it


I am pretty much asking for suggestions on what other things I should look at.

Should I look at a Kit for the lower? I don't know how good the trigger assemblies are on those.

And for the upper- any suggestions? I might stick with Rock River- but I'm open for suggestions. Also, would it be worth it to build one of these as well? I'm just trying to keep the price down as much as possible, and I'm willing to wait to get good deals on things (I'm treating this as a project that I will just work on as the pieces come along)

I've never built a rifle before (hell- I don't really have that much experience with non-bolt action rifles as it is) so all information would be appreciated

5/28/2009 4:13:44 PM

Rock River is not bad at all. DPMS is also a decent choice. If you want to save alot of time, get a prebuilt lower. Putting one together isn't too bad, just takes time.

Get a good stock and grip....it will make your gun 100 times better.

5/28/2009 5:47:09 PM

It doesn't really take that much time to install a LPK. My first time it took about 20 minutes, a tack hammer, pliers, and masking tape. No dings or scratches at all. Just read up on it and you'll be gtg. Stocks are even easier so long as you have the cheapo castle nut wrench.

If your price is the main priority to get a functioning, fun weapon it should be just hunkering down and watching online stores or auctions, or forums and waiting until you can snag a good deal. Sometimes that good deal is a full upper or just an upper receiver, but you have to be johnny on the spot since good deals don't last long at all, especially on the forums. Stag and Bushmaster are also some of the good name brands most people don't have trouble with.

Also, generally speaking, anything on gunbroker.com is only a good deal for a seller, whatever you pay you would have found cheaper somewhere else if you had googled hard enough.

5/28/2009 6:42:34 PM

^^^^which one? Garner today said they were out...

5/28/2009 6:50:48 PM

Q's on the shotgun...

Quote :

"How did they re-thread it? Did they just cut a little off the end of the barrel, then tap new threads in fresh metal?"

Essentially. The old threads were external and took proprietary chokes that are around $90 a set(for three). For $109, they took off the old threaded portion, bringing it to 18.1", then reamed the inside to make it concentric and fit a rem choke, and finally tapped threads into it. They also included three chokes with it and shipped it for that price.

Quote :

"so, fenderfreak, why did you have that shotgun converted to accept the remington choke tubes? what did it have before and why is this better? curious..."

Pretty much just the above reason. The factory choke system is ugly, clunky, and expensive, and for about $20 more, I got something that's cleaner, better, and allows me to use off-the-shelf choke tubes in any constriction I want.

5/29/2009 9:32:41 AM

Whats a decent price for a S&W Model 60 in stainless? I have one but a friend is asking the most he should pay

5/29/2009 1:50:00 PM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.asp?SearchResults.asp?SearchType=0&Keywords=smith+60&Cat=2325

$4-500

5/30/2009 12:52:34 AM

eh, I wouldn't say GB has decent prices - just what you're going to have to pay on GB. Every now and then a good deal will come through on GB, but IMHO, most of them are anything but a deal

5/31/2009 1:11:19 PM

thinking about adding to my collection and I'm looking at the M&P45. Anyone got any experience with them? Glocks don't fit right. XDs are great but I keep selling them since they're never perfect. M&P seems like it's a great fit but I wonder about the trigger. How much does it smooth out? Any good forums besides mp-pistol.com?

5/31/2009 3:21:44 PM

I've got a friend with an M&P 9. He loves it. I shot it the other week and the trigger has smoothed out nicely from when he purchased it. It was a little gritty at first but not now. There still is a bit of over-travel though, so you have to focus on pulling straight back for distance shots. Inside of 15' it doesn't really effect it.

5/31/2009 4:27:51 PM

North Carolina OC (open carry) Dinner!

June 13th
Location TBD

see http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum41/18955-11.html for coming details/restaurant ideas

OC, CC, nC all welcome.

6/1/2009 8:28:02 AM

What kinds of pistols are you guys CC'ing?

I'm looking to get my CC permit soon, and will need to buy a new pistol. I have a fairly small frame...

6/1/2009 10:15:01 AM

bersa thunder 380 most days
XD40 sometimes

I would love to get a pocket carry sometime.

6/1/2009 11:39:37 AM

Kahr P9

6/1/2009 11:54:44 AM

Looking for stuff to do with my Dad this week, and we're gonna go to a range I think. I've only ever been to Davi's, so could somebody give me a recommendation for a place in Raleigh? Would need to have pretty good rentals.

6/1/2009 12:13:46 PM

S&W j-frame (Model 637) in 38 special.

J frames are small enough for pocket carry, but I do appendix carry because I have too much crap in my pockets.

IMO snub nosed revolvers work better than equivalent sized autos for pocket carry because they look less like a gun when they print and they are easier to draw from a pocket. Even slightly smaller autos (length and height) can be harder to draw due to the back of the slide sticking out far. If you lay a revolver upright on a table with the muzzle and end of grip resting on a table then you'll see that they are smaller than autos in that direction.
A snub nose is also easier for me to shoot than a subcompact auto.

An equivalent sized auto may be better for wait carry due to being thinner.

If I didn't go with a revolver then I would have picked a Kahr PM9.
I am looking for a Ruger LCP though. A mini pocket auto will be much easier for pocket carry than a snub nose. I'd sacrifice power and shootablility for a gun I can wear with the lightest of clothes or when I'm doing a lot of physical work (even an Airweight S&W gets heavy and annoying sometimes)

If you have a small frame but still want to carry IWB then try out appendix carry.
I'm 5'-8" and 170 lbs and I can't get away with hip or back carry cause the grips stick out too much. Even with a fitted shirt the handle of a j frame hides nicely. Appendix carry is perfect for me and it's faster to draw than any other method.
Appendix carry doesn't work well for people with beer bellies though...

That reminds me, I've gotta post pics of my homemade kydex tuckable IWB holster.

[Edited on June 1, 2009 at 12:17 PM. Reason : ]

6/1/2009 12:14:33 PM

G22, soon to be G27

6/1/2009 1:06:43 PM

Quote :

"Looking for stuff to do with my Dad this week, and we're gonna go to a range I think. I've only ever been to Davi's, so could somebody give me a recommendation for a place in Raleigh? Would need to have pretty good rentals."

PDHSC has a decent selection of rentals, including SMG's if you're into that kind of thing. I've heard Eagle One is good, but never been there myself.

6/1/2009 1:56:11 PM

I'm guessing Range 1 is the closest place to shoot shotguns? I also need to site it so are the guys at Range 1 friendly/helpful?

6/1/2009 2:08:35 PM

Range 1 and PDHSC both allow shotguns.

PDHSC is a nicer setup. It has a counter for you to set your gear up, sound reducing wall panels, and 6 lanes. It will cost 15-20 just to shoot. The test you need to take is free.

Range 1 has 6 to 8 lanes...I can't remember. They charge by the hour and there is a $5 test fee.

The big differences are that Range 1 allows .223 and 7.62 if you use thier ammo. Also, Range 1 has a longer range with NO sound reducing wall panels. Not to mention there is almost no room to move in their range.

The guys at Range 1 were dicks. Someone we were with shot a hanger clip for the target...they charged a $20 range damage fee. PDHSC would never charge you for that.

[Edited on June 1, 2009 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

6/1/2009 2:29:13 PM

Quote :

"That reminds me, I've gotta post pics of my homemade kydex tuckable IWB holster."

I'd be interested in seeing this.

^^ When I lived in Fayetteville, I'd go to Range 1 about once a month. I loved the place for the fairly liberal range rules. If the owner had certified you, you could use the pistol bays which permitted drawing from concealment, movement, and had a rig with a moving target. I've even shot after dark there from time to time.

That being said, when I left a little over a year ago, the range was up for sale. I have no idea what came of that sale or how it is run now.


^ Do you mean Eagle One? Range One is outdoors so they don't need sound reducing panels nor do they have clips for their targets, just frames.

[Edited on June 1, 2009 at 2:36 PM. Reason : According to the website, they're still open.]

6/1/2009 2:32:41 PM

Oh, I know all about PDHSC - I'm a member there, but last time I was there the guy said no shotguns... it was the old, pissed off guy though.

And PDHSC will charge you a damage fee if you piss them off enough (I didn't do it, but another guy did - for some reason, Mr sharpshooter was pissed and gave the clerks shit over the broken clip; he even said he didn't shoot the clip even though he'd been shooting for about 20 minutes.

6/1/2009 2:37:23 PM

pdhs used to allow shotguns, as long as it had a stock (I had to throw my folding stock onto my shotty to bring it their)


but the last time i brought it in, they informed me that they were not allowing shotguns at all anymore (people where hitting the target return thingies)

6/1/2009 3:06:31 PM

I'm feeling lazy and brain dead, so I don't really want to look this up:

How would an 18-20 year old get a pistol in NC? 21+ purchase with PPP/CCP then get a temporary transfer for the <21 person?

6/1/2009 5:17:57 PM

pretty sure that's illegal

6/1/2009 5:26:36 PM

well how does it work then? there is a way. I know that much.

6/1/2009 5:28:06 PM

You can legally own a pistol if over 18. You can have a 18-20.9 year old go bug the local sheriff, most WILL issue a permit, with a nice 'not for use at dealer' stamp on it. They can then use that permit to buy from a private party. Federal law restricts sales of handguns at dealers to those over 21, but ownership is 18+/emancipated minor when in their own domicile.

6/1/2009 5:45:24 PM

The whole my-grandfather-died-and-left-me-a-gift thing should work, thats the legal loophole. I cant remember specifics but suffice to say you still couldn't get your CCP if you were under 21. You're only allowed to own that pistol, even open carrying it in public it can get kind of fuzzy.

6/1/2009 8:21:24 PM

yeh, it's not me, a friend. I've got my CCP, but my <21 roomie wants to get a pistol and I'm not too familiar with that portion of the law.

6/1/2009 8:29:20 PM

for CC it's a S&W J Frame Model 642. I like the fact that I could shoot from a pocket if needed, and somebody can't jam the slide back rendering it useless if they are in close quarters.

The wife's CC is a Kahr P9

And if I'm feeling really froggy or wearing a coat I'll carry the Sig P229.

6/2/2009 10:57:54 AM

Quote :

"What kinds of pistols are you guys CC'ing? I'm looking to get my CC permit soon, and will need to buy a new pistol. I have a fairly small frame..."

I have several that I carry from time to time depending on clothing and perceived threats I may be likely to face. Really could be anything from a G23 to a 6-inch N-frame M29 S&W.

But the one that goes with me everywhere is a Ruger LCP. It rides in a Wild Bill's leather pocket concealment holster. Literally no clothing restrictions as long as you plan to wear some type of pants. It just drops in your pocket and off you go, just like car keys or a pocketknife, and the outline of it and the holster is less visible in my pocket than a pack of cigarettes. You almost literally forget it's there.
I've fired a couple hundred FMJs through it and a couple hundred GoldDots as well with no malfunctions. I can quickly and easily hit a pie plate with it at 50 feet every time.

6/2/2009 11:03:34 AM

yeah, it really just depends on what is comfortable


I carry a relatively large pistol for CCW, but I am a larger guy, so it doesn't feel as big as it would to others

it also depends on what you can shoot comfortably. kylekatern let me shoot his keltec's (with different calibers)- while I thought it was a neat gun, and perfect for concealment, my hands are too big, and I feel like the gun is about to fly out of my hand when I shoot it. I've had the same problem with some J-frames

There are grips you can get to make it thicker, but I need a pistol with a handle I can get a good grip with, and many subcompact pistols don't fit the bill (s&w mp9 subcompact actually does fit me, but that is because of a magazine extender it had on there)

Also, for CCW, some prefer a revolver over a semiautomatic due to the "it won't jam" set of arguments. It is apples and oranges... I'd prefer to have 17+1 in my pistol, that I take great care of and keep clean and oiled (reducing chance of jamming greatly) than a 5-6 rd revolver.

Like i said earlier though, it really is just what is comfortable for you to shoot and for you to wear- you also need to decide how you are going to carry- draw side, cross draw... in the pocket or IWB- hell, I know people who carry on their ankle for their only CCW (I don't understand that for primary carry, but it is what they want to do, and I won't argue with them).

6/2/2009 11:43:34 AM

Quote :

"I like the fact that I could shoot from a pocket if needed, and somebody can't jam the slide back rendering it useless if they are in close quarters."

You can render a revolver useless by grabbing the cylinder.
Try it. The cylinder has a leverage advantage over the trigger. It doesn't take much force to keep the cylinder from turning. You'd break the pawl pulling the trigger before the cylinder would turn enough to get a round off.

I carry a revolver because they generally are more reliable. You're not dependent on cartridge/slide/barrel timing like autos. They are reliable, but they aren't perfect (no gun is perfect, right?).

When winter rolls around I'll carry a Sig 228 strong side IWB.

[Edited on June 2, 2009 at 12:21 PM. Reason : ]

6/2/2009 12:19:08 PM

Or you can just carry around 3 or 4 guns with you at all times son.

Keep a J-frame IWB son. Keep a G26 in the pocket son. Keep a G17 in the car or another holster son. Then keep dat .44 Mag wherever you might need him son. Wherever you might need him.

6/2/2009 1:37:32 PM

Quote :

"Keep a J-frame IWB in the pocket son. Keep a G26 in the pocket IWB son. Keep a G17 in the car or another holster son. Then keep dat .44 Mag wherever you might need him son. Wherever you might need him."

There, fixed it for you. It's easier to pocket a j frame than a baby glock.

I thought about making an ankle (or should I say calf?) holster and an IWB holster for my Super Redhawk in 480 Ruger just for shits and giggles.
"Hey, are you concealing a 7.5" SRH or are you just happy to see me?"

6/2/2009 2:28:47 PM

anyone want to help me out? trying to get some 380 ammo. midway just got some in, but it's 4/customer only.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=331858

I'll pay you back for the ammo + shipping. you must sign into midway to purchase ammo.

6/2/2009 3:08:47 PM

Didn't you just get 500 rounds with your Bersa?

6/2/2009 3:55:58 PM

now now boys....

6/2/2009 4:27:55 PM

Anybody have one of these? Worth the $texas?

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1512

6/2/2009 6:39:42 PM

OST's prices can be a little high but their service has always been superior. As far as the Sneaky-bags, I know people who love them. I haven't personally used them.

6/2/2009 6:59:42 PM

What period of time would you say is reasonable to continuously keep a magazine fully loaded before the spring begins to lose some of its strength? I'm asking specifically about a 15-round 9mm HK factory (composite) magazine. I almost always leave 2 of mine full, but sometimes will empty them and refill them for no particular reason other than to check on the spring. I've had the magazines for about 6 years now.

6/2/2009 10:14:42 PM

Just don't fill them completely if they're going to sit for a while.

6/2/2009 10:25:27 PM

^


Why would you keep them completely full if you aren't using them? Personally on my carry pistol I keep 10/16 personal defense rounds loaded all the time and occasionally rotate out with my other 2 mags so the spring won't be compressed for months on end.

6/2/2009 10:34:41 PM

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"Anybody have one of these? Worth the $texas? http://www.onesourcetactical.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1512"

i feel like you could find just as "practical" of a bag for way less than what they are charging for that... my bag that I use looks like a soft case for an electric guitar... and I originally carried my shotty in an old sports duffel bag that also carried my ammo and range gear...




as for the magazine spring question, I wouldn't mind hearing some definitive answers on this... I always keep the one in the gun fully loaded and the spare fully loaded as well... I try to take out the ammo when I think about it, but honestly, I don't remember to do this a lot of the times (unless I'm at the range...)

6/2/2009 11:55:36 PM

Quote :

"What period of time would you say is reasonable to continuously keep a magazine fully loaded before the spring begins to lose some of its strength?"

Storing a mag empty won't hurt the spring.
Storing a mag fully loaded won't hurt the spring.

What weakens a spring is cycling.
The more you compress and release it the faster it will weaken.
I've known guys who've kept mags loaded for 10+ years just sitting in a safe. The springs feel like they're almost new.
I know guys who shoot a lot; many thousands of round per year. They will go through 2-3 springs a year per mag.

In my own experience, I have 4 mags for my Sig 228.
About 4 years ago I put new Wolff extra power springs in all of the mags.
I keep one loaded all the time with defense ammo and haven't used that mag except for a handfull of times.
The other mags get used at the range and also get rotated as a spare self defense reload. So I always have two mags loaded, but one doesn't get cycled like the other three.
That one mag's spring is stiffer than the other three even though it's constantly compressed.

6/3/2009 12:49:18 AM

Quote :

"There, fixed it for you. It's easier to pocket a j frame than a baby glock."

No, you fixed absolutely nothing son. The J-frame is equipped with a clip draw, hence the reason it's IWB and the Glock isn't. That's just how I roll son.

6/3/2009 10:09:44 AM

Quote :

"I thought about making an ankle (or should I say calf?) holster and an IWB holster for my Super Redhawk in 480 Ruger just for shits and giggles. "Hey, are you concealing a 7.5" SRH or are you just happy to see me?""

My larger-framed revolvers (S&W L and N frames) conceal quite handily in a shoulder holster underneath a Carhart coat or leather jacket. Of course, this doesn't look very professional when you go to a lunch conference or meeting and take your coat off before you sit down. And it's pretty much a non-option during the warmer months.

6/3/2009 11:47:30 AM