Why so that Howell can foul out again for tying his 2 shoe laces?

This is just such bullshit. Such such bullshit.



[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 2:45 PM. Reason : edit]

2/22/2012 2:44:37 PM

whoa there guy, lay off the suicide pills

2/22/2012 2:53:12 PM

Quote :

"I fail to see how not wanting to play Duke is having a loser's mentality when I'd rather get revenge on FSU...either one would be a quality win"

So you would rather get revenge on Duke than FSU?? righhhttt....

2/22/2012 2:55:30 PM

yes i'd rather get revenge on FSU than Duke (assuming thats what you meant to type), whats so crazy about that? losing like we did at Cameron is about as respectable a loss that there is, and I don't see the game going remotely near that if we played them again...FSU blew us out, and a lot of that was because we didn't come to play since we were still butthurt about losing to Duke

despite the Duke loss being much closer on the scoreboard than the FSU loss, yes, I'd rather play a team in the ACC tournament that has 2 Ivy League losses than a team whose only really bad loss was getting blown out by a quality Ohio State team

we played out of our minds against Duke early on, they played terribly early on, and we still lost...we were never in the FSU game mentally

maybe tomorrow night's Duke/FSU game will give new perspective, we'll see

2/22/2012 3:00:44 PM

Who gives a fuck. The ACC has clearly shown that they don't want us in the NCAAs.

2/22/2012 3:32:03 PM

I'd personally rather have revenge on a rival. Nobody gives a shit about FSU in basketball.

Duke is a rival, a top 10 team, a top 5 program (EVER), and that loss in Durham was incredibly embarrassing.

Next year, no one outside of NC State fans will remember that we lost by 20 to FSU in Raleigh. The majority of ACC fans will remember how we blew our loads and a 20 point lead in Durham.

Tree...wtf are you thinking? You'd probably rather avenge that Indiana loss than the UNC one too...right?

2/22/2012 3:39:19 PM

all of that aside, we match up MUCH better against Duke than we do FSU

FSU is an absolute nightmare team for us

2/22/2012 3:42:53 PM

FSU seems more beatable than Duke...FSU has some WTF losses this year (harvard, princeton, clemson by 20, bc). But we definitely match up better with Duke. FSU is just not a good match up for us at all.

2/22/2012 3:53:19 PM

I'd RATHER have revenge over UNC, but I don't see it happening...I also don't see us hanging within 10 points of Duke in the ACC tourney...if we don't come out flat and stay flat for 40 minutes against FSU, aside from a couple minutes right after Hess was a dick, I think we have a much better chance to beat them...as long as we can hit our free throws and Dulkys isn't banking in fadeaways all game

Quote :

"FSU seems more beatable than Duke"

pretty much my point

I mean we play our A-game against Duke and its still not enough, lose by 5

we play like dogshit for 40 minutes against FSU and lose by 14

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

2/22/2012 3:53:44 PM

Duke won't make the Sweet 16

Softest top 5 team I've ever seen

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 3:58 PM. Reason : Duke game was hardly an A-game effort]

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 3:58 PM. Reason : 30 minutes of good basketball spurred by 10 minutes of horrendous offense from Duke to start]

2/22/2012 3:56:23 PM

the first 29 minutes were

i don't see them making noise in March either, unless Rivers just goes off

2/22/2012 3:59:15 PM

I like Duke's chances to come in 3rd and ours to come in 6th.

I think they drop the road game at FSU and the home game vs UNC. UNC will be fired up for them and Duke doesn't match up with UNC. Cameron isn't going to scare those guys for sure.

FSU is tough to predict as they have tough games vs Duke, @Miami, @UVA. I think they squeak out two of the three (UVA is really getting crushed with injuries and Duke can't match up with FSU well).


We on the other hand are likely to either go 2-1 or 1-2. 1-2 puts us in 6th almost for sure and 2-1 would likely put us in some sort of tie with UVA and/or Miami who are both fairly likely to finish 9-7 as well. We lose any tiebreakers with UVA and also with Miami if they beat us next week.


Us coming in 4th is fairly unlikely now, we'd need to go 3-0 and UVA would have to go 0-3. They do have a tough schedule though and with their injuries that is possible. Just unlikely that both occur, maybe 5%.

5th is doable as we'd have the tiebreaker over Miami if we beat them so if we go 2-1 and they go 1-2 (@FSU, @NCSU, vs BC) then we'd land 5th which means we'll get BC/Wake/or GT and then probably UNC in the second round. That's not a good scenario for us, thats NIT bound in all likelihood.

If we can go 2-1 or 3-0 and still pull off the 6 seed that's probably our best case scenario. That gives us a tune up vs BC/GT/Wake and then hopefully a matchup with Duke who we can beat. That win could propel us to the NCAA tourney if there aren't too many upset conference championship winners.


We've really dug ourselves a deep hole. Losing to GT and Stanford were absolute killers as was the Duke collapse. Unbelievable this team.

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 9:28 PM. Reason : a]

2/22/2012 9:21:10 PM

Quote :

"We on the other hand are likely to either go 2-1 or 1-2."

Way to go out on a limb

2/22/2012 9:22:54 PM

Could go 3-0 or even 0-3, but we're just as likely to finish somewhere between

2/22/2012 9:23:58 PM

Why would I want to go out on a limb when I'm projecting the most likely scenarios? That's actually the complete opposite of what I'd want to do.

2/22/2012 9:29:13 PM

2/22/2012 9:42:06 PM

Quote :

"Us coming in 4th is fairly unlikely now, we'd need to go 3-0 and UVA would have to go 0-3. They do have a tough schedule though and with their injuries that is possible. Just unlikely that both occur, maybe 5%."

If we finish 3-0, we'd be 10-6. UVA could go 1-2 and they'd be 9-7. Maybe I don't know how tournament seeding works, but my understanding is that this scenario would give us the 4-seed regardless of what Miami does.

We have three very winable games remaining and UVA has two of the top three teams in the conference left to play.

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM. Reason : I have us winning anywhere from 0-3 of these games. Same for UVA.]

2/22/2012 9:43:31 PM

Quote :

"I have us winning anywhere from 0-3 of these games. Same for UVA."

quite the prognosticator we have here

2/22/2012 9:48:04 PM

Thanks for catching the sarcasm

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 9:58 PM. Reason : I hope we finish the season 12-0. 14-0 wouldn't be so bad either.]

2/22/2012 9:51:37 PM

My mistake, I was off by a game on UVA. Okay, so 4th is still on the table as they could easily go 0-3 or 1-2.

3-0 for us is still pretty unlikely. If you assume that we are about 50-50 in each game then we'd go 3-0 about 1/8 times. I think the VT game is over 50/50 as they seem to have quit on the season, but the Clemson and Miami games are right there.

2/22/2012 10:00:51 PM

2/22/2012 10:05:51 PM

^^Don't worry. We all make mistakes. I'm still glad you're the face of TWW basketball knowledge.

[Edited on February 22, 2012 at 10:10 PM. Reason : Just to be clear, this post was also sarcasm...]

2/22/2012 10:07:39 PM

I hope Face's performance evaluation goes something like this:

Dear Face, I know you've only been on the job for 6 months but we feel that is long enough to judge both your current and future performance.

Having to make use of your predecessors tools and processes is no excuse - even if we bought out your predecessors contract because he was so ineffective. No excuses.

As part of your evaluation, you will be compared to and evaluated against your peers - which are the top 2 highest performers in the country.

2/22/2012 10:25:09 PM

People ranting about things other than Mark Gottfried ITT.

2/23/2012 2:07:12 AM

meh, he's super credible at this point.

2/23/2012 2:15:16 AM

oh, are we still going back and forth with face ITT? I'll just come back later. As much as I'm ready for a win just for the sake of a win, I'm really looking forward to a win so ST will be bearable again

2/23/2012 8:48:06 AM

Quote :

"then we'd land 5th which means we'll get BC/Wake/or GT and then probably UNC in the second round. That's not a good scenario for us, thats NIT bound in all likelihood. "

and UNC ends up with the 4 seed. Got it

2/23/2012 10:01:26 AM

someone post an updated chart of nc state fan confidence after each win/loss

lets hope we get that thing back to 100 this weekend.

2/23/2012 10:05:13 AM

I can't find it

But I did find my CJ Leslie Bad-Decision-O-Meter from last year

2/23/2012 10:09:00 AM

Coach K saves his best for tournament time. Maybe we "match up" better with Duke on paper, but they've made it to 12 of the last 14 ACC championship games, and won 10 of them.

2/23/2012 10:15:35 AM

4 losses in a row.



Lowe-esque

2/25/2012 4:42:29 PM

nice season boys. have fun in the nit.

2/25/2012 4:42:49 PM

Lets be serious...Brownell is the better coach.

Hopefully Gottfried can be a much better recruiter.

2/25/2012 4:43:32 PM

^^^THIS.


and too many shitty short-clock/end of game plays. CJL shooting the 3? this guy can't coach a short-clock play.

[Edited on February 25, 2012 at 4:43 PM. Reason : ^]

2/25/2012 4:43:48 PM

his coaching has been exposed in critical situations during acc play

he needs purvis to be clutch and bail him out going forward because we've seen what happens when you have him and a guy who won't make plays in brown

2/25/2012 4:44:07 PM

below average game coach, above average offense coach, apparently great recruiter, really shitty defense coach


And bad motivator because we played like we had nothing to gain by winning this game

2/25/2012 4:47:09 PM

Quote :

"CJL shooting the 3? "

It looked like his defender fell down ... if you're wide open, you have to take the shot. I can guarantee you the play was not designed to get Leslie an open three, but if it's there, you have to shoot it.

2/25/2012 4:47:42 PM

if he was the only one open, then the play was shitty, no matter if his defender fell. A shooter should be getting the ball and the play should maximize the number of shooters getting open. no excuse.

[Edited on February 25, 2012 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .]

2/25/2012 4:48:44 PM

Wood couldn't get open, time was running out, I doubt Gottfried was like "ok we need to get the ball down court and find Calvin for a 3"

also he's coaching Lowe's players...i dunno what thats even supposed to mean, just throwing it out there

2/25/2012 4:49:13 PM

coach needs to make them practice more free-throws. and bank-shots.

2/25/2012 4:49:47 PM

well no fucking shit the plan wasn't to give it to CJL, but that doesn't make it right. You've got multiple shooters on the team, and you can't draw up a play to get them open?

2/25/2012 4:50:20 PM

luckily i was working during the game and barely watching it

but i'll put most of the blame on missed FTs

2/25/2012 4:51:07 PM

^^Set plays are fluid. If something's there, you go with it. CJL getting wide-open didn't happen by design, but it changed everything we were doing.

I'm not saying I liked the play, but if CJL would have passed it, we would've settled for a prayer/heave at the buzzer. Then we'd all be pissed as hell at CJ. You've gotta take your chances with a wide-open shot.

[Edited on February 25, 2012 at 4:52 PM. Reason : ]

2/25/2012 4:51:46 PM

the problem is that the play wasn't good enough to get a player open. I see plenty of teams get players open on the regular; in fact that's how clemson won the game.

2/25/2012 4:53:50 PM

Was Johnson in the game for the last play?? I don't remember. If so...we should have run the play for him. Use Wood as bait (you know he's going to get open anyways...must be the easiest team to coach against for an opposing coach), and get the ball to Johnson.

2/25/2012 4:54:27 PM

I have no problem with Leslie taking that shot. He probably is about 30% to make that, which is better than the .03% we would've been if Zo got the ball back

[Edited on February 25, 2012 at 4:55 PM. Reason : ]

2/25/2012 4:55:11 PM

^^no, Wood came in and Johnson left, I think.

2/25/2012 4:56:16 PM

Quote :

"the problem is that the play wasn't good enough to get a player open. "

That's not how it works. The play broke down when we swung it to Leslie ... there might have been someone open later if we stuck with the play, but we abandoned the set when we passed it to Leslie, for better or worse.


[Edited on February 25, 2012 at 4:57 PM. Reason : ]

2/25/2012 4:56:58 PM

no excuse not to have all 3 point shooters on the floor there. what good is howell doing us out there on that play? it's one thing if we were going for the quick 2 but we clearly weren't. if the only hope is to throw up a prayer for 3 then we should've had staats battle out there, nevermind aj

2/25/2012 4:58:10 PM

Clemson's defense is good, so our offensive execution was pretty impressive ... especially considering we got absolutely no help from the refs.

But our defense is becoming more and more frustrating. I'm not trying to even rationalize it anymore. Our defensive schemes just suck. That's been my only probably with Gottfried so far, but it's a big problem. I don't see it getting any better next year either.

[Edited on February 25, 2012 at 5:00 PM. Reason : ]

2/25/2012 5:00:19 PM