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"It can only be explained by the existence of a magic BB that would ride herd on the other BBs, keeping them as bunched up as possible."

Or I don't know, maybe Dick Cheney had a full choke on his shotgun, as many bird hunters do? Nah, thats entriely too simple to be plausible. There must be a government conspiracy to hide the fact that Cheney was doing keg stands immediately before hunting, got shitfaced, and decided to shoot his friend in the face point blank.

2/16/2006 3:07:41 PM

i can't argue either way. both sides probably have valid points, but i don't know anything about guns!!!

2/16/2006 3:22:01 PM

I just think it's being hyped by the media because they didn't hear about it for 12 hours. They're crying because they were out of the loop. What they should have been concerned about was the health of the man shot, but they weren't. They wanted their story sooooo bad. And they got angry. And they cried. And now they're trying to hang Cheney and Bush for an accident.

2/16/2006 4:07:42 PM

people keep acting like there is some sort of conspiracy.

WTF is the conspiracy?

2/16/2006 4:35:22 PM

^he was hit with several pellets

there was more then one shooter. do i have to spell it out?

2/16/2006 4:37:50 PM

That the guy was shot two times point blank in the face.

2/16/2006 4:37:52 PM

there were at least 30 shooters

2/16/2006 4:51:28 PM

This picture's been obtained from a undisclosed source from within the CIA:



In it you can clearly see the AC-130 firing on Cheney's hunting partner.

2/16/2006 4:58:44 PM

all they have to do is release the after incidence report and people would shutup

2/16/2006 5:12:59 PM

you must be joking

the after incident report is on the smoking gun and has been for days

it's linked on pg 2

2/16/2006 6:26:10 PM

im talking about the secret service after incidence report

2/16/2006 6:27:53 PM

ah. yeah...that would be pretty useful.

but of course, it'd be dangerous for national security purposes. we'd be telegraphing the procedures of the SS to our enemies!!1

[Edited on February 16, 2006 at 6:34 PM. Reason : ...]

2/16/2006 6:33:42 PM

they could black out information that was important for security, the same way its done when documents are declassified

my point is there are at least a few witnesses that are trained to pay attention to details, i'm curious to hear what they saw

2/16/2006 6:39:36 PM

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE WHY THE BLOODY HELL DO YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SS SAW?

THE VICTIM HIMSELF HAS

REPEATEDLY

REPEATEDLY

REPEATEDLY

GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO STRESS THAT THE SHOOTING WAS AN ACCIDENT

omf conspiracy! the victim is part of the conspiracy to let cheney kill him with birdshot!1

[Edited on February 16, 2006 at 7:49 PM. Reason : s]

2/16/2006 7:48:47 PM

seriously, why the fuck does it matter at all what happened? the victim aint pissed, no one died... lets all laugh at the fact that the veep shot someone and then get over it and get back to what really matters: who has sucked the president's dick recently?

2/16/2006 8:13:27 PM

the only reason it matters is because in a time when people are extra critical of the secrecy surrounding this administration, the pr people should have done a much better job

but instead they just reenforced everyone's opinion that this administration hides things from us

2/16/2006 9:13:27 PM

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"the only reason it matters is because in a time when people are extra critical of the secrecy surrounding this administration, the pr people should have done a much better job but instead they just reenforced everyone's opinion that this administration hides things from us"

2/16/2006 9:56:19 PM

and just to let me clarify: i don't think its a big deal, just that they shot themselves in the foot the way they handled it

2/16/2006 9:58:05 PM

IN THE FOOT? OR THE FACE?

2/16/2006 11:05:36 PM

I doubt anyone here is insinuating hte shooting wasn't an accident. I'm certainly not. I'm insinuating the veep was drunk, shot the guy at way less than 30 yards, and there was a coverup.

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"Morris: I think that that your point is well taken-Alan. I think that it was outrageous that the VP waited that long to reply...when he finally did it was to some local newspaper in Corpus Christi where he knew he wouldn't get hard questions...and even then he had Mrs. Armstrong do it... (Rough transcript-not in sequence) Hannity: What do you think? Morris:: It's hard to speculate, but usually when there is something like this alcohol is involved.... Hannity: Do you think the VP was drunk and firing bullets? Morris: None of them will come forward. Hannity: You're insinuating he was drunk which is totally irresponsible. Morris: Well why would he not go to the hospital?---He could have followed him in a car. Hannity...(VP) who does not have a history of drinking at all was stumbling down drunk? Dick forced Hannity to utter a cpuple of falsehoods (not surprising) to try and dig himself out of the ditch Morris put him. As we all know Dr. Evil had two DUI's back in the day (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html). Also as John Nichols noted in The Nation: "Dick Cheney who was forced to leave Yale University because his penchant for late-night beer drinking exceeded his devotion to his studies...read on""

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/16.html#a7190

2/17/2006 9:22:57 AM

Do we have a list of all of the current conspiracy theories?

1) Cheney was drunk
2) Cheney was sending a message to Libby
3) Cheney was having an affair with the ambassador of Switzerland

Any others that we can laugh at, I mean ponder?

2/17/2006 10:07:13 AM

i don't think you can call a quail hunter being drunk a conspiracy theory. see, hunters drink. every hunter I know drinks. What i'm frustrated with is this ridiculous need to lie about it if he was.

the other two (i'm assuming the 3rd one is a not so funny joke) aren't at all my opinions

2/17/2006 10:10:57 AM

^ I never insinuated that they were your opinions, DG. These are some other rumors that have been floating around the internet.

The accusation that Cheney was drunk is nothing more than a vicious rumor at this point. The VP and all of the people involved have repeatedly said it was an accident.

2/17/2006 10:17:44 AM

a rumor they could easily solve if they just released the secret service after incidence report

2/17/2006 10:18:47 AM

well, he's admitted he had one drink, at least. he does have a history of DUIs.

not to mention this:

look at the letter released by Cheney's own doctor during the 2000 presidential race:
http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/072600/gen_0726004927.shtml

Quote :

"# Coronary artery disease: Mr. Cheney has had several prior heart attacks and has undergone one bypass surgery (in 1988). He is followed closely at GW. His heart disease is treated with medication and is followed closely by myself and Dr. Jonathan Reiner, head of our Cardiac Invasive Laboratory. A most recent update of Mr. Cheney's cardiac history is attached in a letter written by Dr. Reiner. His vigorous lifestyle and exercise tolerance are excellent. # Hyperlipidemia: Mr. Cheney has had a long history of elevated cholesterol. This has been vigorously and successfully treated with medication. # Skin cancer: Mr. Cheney has been treated for skin cancer. He continues to be monitored closely for any recurrences. # Knee injuries: Years ago, Mr. Cheney underwent successful surgical therapy of his right knee for old athletic injuries. There has been no recurrence. # Gout: Mr. Cheney has had several minor episodes of gout of the foot. I monitor this closely. # Allergy: Pomegranates (anaphylaxis). # Cancer screening: Mr. Cheney is up to date with his colon cancer and prostate cancer screening. His last PSA (prostate specific antigen blood test) and colonoscopy were normal. # Medications: Mr. Cheney takes a long list of medications which are monitored closely by myself and Dr. Reiner. He has shown no side effects of any of these medications which would alter intellectual performance or impair his judgment."

Ignoring the fact that he probably shouldn't be drinking anyway, which doesn't matter to me of course because it's his decision, if any of these interact badly with alcohol, one drink could put him FAR over the edge

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 10:22 AM. Reason : .]

2/17/2006 10:22:24 AM

^^ What is the normal procedure with regards to the Secret Service releasing their incident reports?

^ Again, lots of insinuations, not a lot of facts at this point. One drink, ten drinks, when did he have the drink? How can we assume how he'd react to one drink? Do we even know what was in the drink?

I hope that Cheney has been forthcoming with all of the facts, but even if he is, how many of you will actually believe him?

2/17/2006 10:26:24 AM

WAIT WAIT WAIT

HOW MANY FUCKING DUI'S DOES THIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE?

GOOD FUCKING GRIEF

2/17/2006 10:36:07 AM

he says he had a beer with dinner before they went out.

but why would I ever believe anything he says? he lies with every breath

2/17/2006 10:47:24 AM

^ So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter if Cheney is guilty or not, it's the accusation that counts since he's a lying SOB/POS.

2/17/2006 10:48:37 AM

no, what I'm saying is that the accusation is made because, once again, we're having information withheld from us. It's like all your boys have been saying, "if you don't have anything to hide..."

2/17/2006 11:28:12 AM

once again, everyone is ignoring the giant pink elephant in the room which is the VICTIM'S assertion that it was an accident and that no wrongdoing occurred.

k, so stop accusing cheney of lying. start accusing the victim of lying also.

and thats when you start sounding either completely insane or disgustingly opportunistic.

2/17/2006 1:46:36 PM

The victim's covering for him.

It's loyalty over everything with those Bushies.

2/17/2006 1:50:05 PM

Quote :

"thats when you start sounding either completely insane or disgustingly opportunistic."

2/17/2006 1:53:46 PM

Quote :

"and thats when you start sounding either completely insane or disgustingly opportunistic."

2/17/2006 2:07:43 PM

you all are missing why this is even being talked about
its not that anyone (outside of some crazies) think there is a huge conspiracy

2/17/2006 2:12:23 PM

Quote :

"thats when you completely miss the joke."

2/17/2006 2:13:27 PM

I'm sure that boonedocks is joking when he accuses the victim of covering for the VP

good try tho

2/17/2006 2:25:13 PM

I'm sure that Excoriator is serious when he tries to stir up shit

good try tho

2/17/2006 2:42:54 PM

O< O<

2/17/2006 2:44:21 PM

( f ;..; )f

2/17/2006 2:49:55 PM

I can understand that a liberal partisan would get "stirred up" when I merely point out that the victim himself has stated that Cheney did nothing wrong.

It does make them look pretty stupid when they then try to insinuate that he might be covering something up.

2/17/2006 2:58:09 PM

Quote :

"once again, everyone is ignoring the giant pink elephant in the room which is the VICTIM'S assertion that it was an accident and that no wrongdoing occurred. "

if you were trashed and shooting guns at shit, and one of the people shot you, and he was your friend, and he was the vice president, wouldn't YOU say that nothing funny had been going on?

2/17/2006 3:28:44 PM

Quote :

"he says he had a beer with dinner before they went out. but why would I ever believe anything he says? he lies with every breath"

Well, its Dick Cheney. Naturally we must assume the absolute worst case scenario. We could even step it up a notch and say that a drunk and enraged Cheney shot Whittington when he tried to stop him from molesting an Iraqi war orphan.

2/17/2006 3:29:09 PM

Quote :

"a drunk and enraged Cheney shot Whittington when he tried to stop him from molesting an Iraqi war orphan"

-Mr. Joshua

2/17/2006 3:39:07 PM

Quote :

"if you were trashed and shooting guns at shit, and one of the people shot you, and he was your friend, and he was the vice president, wouldn't YOU say that nothing funny had been going on?"

o i get it you're just looking out for the victim who is clearly too incompetent to defend his own interests

2/17/2006 4:19:25 PM

DirtyGreek, if need be, and you'll buy the gas to get there, we can go to fayetteville, load my shotgun with birdshot and set up a cardboard target at 30 yards and shoot it. Then, you will see just how many pellets at that distance could be expected to hit a person.

2/17/2006 4:54:42 PM

Can we get drunk first?

2/17/2006 4:59:28 PM

I'd rather be hunting with Dick Cheney
Than driving with Ted Kennedy

2/17/2006 5:04:25 PM

http://infowars.com/video/clips/ballistics_test/qt_mdm_universe.htm

check this out - i find it pretty interesting

it comes from infowars.com so i don't know how accurate it would be, but it's an opinion to consider.

2/17/2006 5:09:51 PM

2/17/2006 5:13:21 PM