Woodfoot All American 60354 Posts user info edit post |
SEE THIS IS CLASSIC SALISBURYBOY
I ASK A QUESTION HE IGNORES IT
HE ONLY WANTS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT HIS NUTJOB BULLSHOT STUFF FITS IN
SO I'LL ASK AGAIN
why does Jesus' criticism of one group of Jewish priests condemn the entire race?
that would be like me saying "nikes are made in sweatshops, so all shoes are made in these facilities" 2/28/2006 3:54:22 PM |
Woodfoot All American 60354 Posts user info edit post |
hey dumbnuts
his disciples wanted to send her away for not being a troo joo but he helps her anyways
"Then Jesus said to her, "Woman, [e] you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour. " Matt 22:28
HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE STUFF YOU TYPE?
[Edited on February 28, 2006 at 3:56 PM. Reason : IT HURTS MY BRAIN OK]
[Edited on February 28, 2006 at 4:17 PM. Reason : `] 2/28/2006 3:56:06 PM |
DeltaBeta All American 9417 Posts user info edit post |
I really really want to post the star of david here now.
REALLY BAD. 2/28/2006 3:58:42 PM |
Waluigi All American 2384 Posts user info edit post |
once again:
you never explained why it was that these white "lost israelites" (the nordics, germanics, celtics, anglo-saxons, etc) were polytheists, which they most certainly were
im getting this one as a tattoo, btw (well, a similar pic)
[Edited on February 28, 2006 at 4:03 PM. Reason : this is a legit question/critique, and i would like a response] 2/28/2006 3:58:49 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
GOD ALSO HATES SHRIMP. "These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you." -Leviticus 11:9-12
And figs.
JESUS REBUKED THE FIG AS AN EVIL ABOMINATION. "Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he was hungry. "And when he saw a fig tree by the road, he came to it, and found nothing on it, but leaves only, and said to it, Let no fruit grow on you henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. "And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon has the fig tree withered away!" --Matthew 21:18-20
JESUS COMMANDED US NOT TO EAT OF THE CURSED FIG. "The next day, when they came from Bethany, he was hungry: "And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if perhaps he might find any thing on it: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. "And Jesus answered and said to it, No man eat fruit of you hereafter forever. And his disciples heard it. --Mark 11:12-14
EAT A FIG, GO TO HELL. "He destroyed their vines with hail and their sycamore-figs with sleet." --Psalm 78:47
GOD PROMISES TERRIBLE VENGEANCE FOR FIG-EATERS. "Yes, this is what the LORD Almighty says: "I will send the sword, famine and plague against them and I will make them like poor figs that are so bad they cannot be eaten." --Jeremiah 29:17
Yet salisburyboy doesn’t campaign against them at all.
[Edited on February 28, 2006 at 4:03 PM. Reason : .] 2/28/2006 4:03:07 PM |
Woodfoot All American 60354 Posts user info edit post |
so i'd still like to know
1. WHY THE CRITICISM OF THE PHARISEES DAMNS THE ENTIRE RACE
2. WHY JESUS HEALED THE WOMANS DAUGHTER IF HE WAS ONLY SENT FOR TROO JOOS 2/28/2006 4:03:27 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
God doesn't stay mad at people:
Psalm 30:5 For his anger endureth but a moment.
Jeremiah 3:12 I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever.
Micah 7:18 He retaineth not his anger forever, because he delighteth in mercy. 2/28/2006 4:04:39 PM |
Woodfoot All American 60354 Posts user info edit post |
and matthew 10 takes place closer to the beginning of His ministry
you know, when He was still shirking being the Son of God and telling people not to give Him credit after His miracles 2/28/2006 4:08:56 PM |
JonHGuth Suspended 39171 Posts user info edit post |
and i still want to know why any of this matters if its not inspired by anti-semetic beliefs
[Edited on February 28, 2006 at 4:11 PM. Reason : and i reread what he posted, but still dont really understand] 2/28/2006 4:09:51 PM |
Woodfoot All American 60354 Posts user info edit post |
^ 2/28/2006 4:10:26 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "SEE THIS IS CLASSIC SALISBURYBOY
I ASK A QUESTION HE IGNORES IT
HE ONLY WANTS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT HIS NUTJOB BULLSHOT STUFF FITS IN
SO I'LL ASK AGAIN
why does Jesus' criticism of one group of Jewish priests condemn the entire race?" |
Actually I responded to that question on page 4 of the thread.
Quote : | "HE IS SAYING
"I AM SENT TO MORE THAN JUST THE TRUE ISREALITES"" |
No. That is a mis-reading of the passage.
Quote : | "you never explained why it was that these white "lost israelites" (the nordics, germanics, celtics, anglo-saxons, etc) were polytheists, which they most certainly were" |
Even the ancient Israelites (long before Jesus' time) fell into idolatry and worshipping the gods of other groups of people. I touched on this earlier. After the Israelites were taken captive, they lost much of their religious beliefs (and even their racial identity eventually). So, it should not be surprising that the Israelites would adopt other heathen religions over the many centuries following their release from captivity.
Quote : | "WHY JESUS HEALED THE WOMANS DAUGHTER IF HE WAS ONLY SENT FOR TROO" |
He healed her daughter, but he did not deviate from the position that he was not sent to non-Israelites.2/28/2006 4:18:12 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
Can you touch on this:
So how exactly is judaism an "evil, Satanic religion"?
"According to the New Testament, Pharisees wanted to punish Jesus for healing a man's withered hand on the Sabbath, but there is no Rabbinic rule according to which Jesus had violated the Sabbath. According to the New Testament the Pharisees objected to Jesus's mission to outcast groups such as beggars and tax-collectors, but Rabbinic texts actually emphasize the availability of forgiveness to all. Indeed, much of Jesus' teaching, for example the Sermon on the Mount, is consistent with that of the Pharisees.
Some scholars believe that those passages of the New Testament that present a caricature of the Pharisees were not written during Jesus' lifetime but rather sometime after the destruction of Herod's Temple in 70 CE, at a time when it had become clear that most Jews did not consider Jesus to be the messiah. At this time Christians sought most new converts from among the gentiles. They thus presented a story of Jesus that was more sympathetic to Romans than to Jews. Moreover, it was only after 70 CE that Phariseeism emerged as the dominant form of Judaism. For Christian leaders at this time to present Christianity as the legitimate heir to the Old Testament Covenant, they had to devalue Rabbinic Judaism."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
Quote : | "God did not give his law to any other race of people. " |
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Mark 16:15 Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Acts 8:25 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
Acts 15:3 They [Paul and Barnabas] passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles.
Acts 22:21 And he [Jesus] said unto me [Paul], Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.
Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.2/28/2006 4:20:51 PM |
JonHGuth Suspended 39171 Posts user info edit post |
woodfoot, he bases it all on mathew 23:23
he does it in the same way the people on the yahweh bin yahweh show do it 2/28/2006 4:21:58 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Can you touch on this:
So how exactly is judaism an "evil, Satanic religion"? " |
Essentially, you are arguing that the portions strongly criticizing the Pharisees and their religion was inserted later to try to "devalue" the religion of the Pharisees.
But even if you believe that, you still have the problem of the Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud shows that the religion of "Judaism" is rabidly anti-Christian, calling Jesus a "sorcerer" and all Christians "idolaters." The Talmud states that Jesus and all Christians are burning in hell. The religion of "Judaism" is the most vile, anti-Christian ideology in existance. It is Satanically inspired. Then, you have mountains of other evidence supporting this. For instance, Albert Pike admitted that the Jewish Kaballah is the origin of all the secret societies related to the "mystery religions" (including Freemasonry), and that the true God of Freemasonry is Lucifer (ie, Satan). And remember, the mystery religions go back to Babylon, and the official title of the Talmud is the "Babylonian Talmud."
As for the passages of Scripture you quoted, the word "Gentile" or "nations" often comes from the Greek word "ethnos" (meaning "race", "tribe", "nation", or "people"), which when examined in light of other passages of Scripture, shows that the word often is used to refer to Israelites. In many passages, the true meaning is not conveyed because the passage was not translated properly.
[Edited on February 28, 2006 at 4:52 PM. Reason : `]2/28/2006 4:36:09 PM |
DeltaBeta All American 9417 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Then, you have mountains of other evidence supporting this." |
Hahahahahaha. Good one.2/28/2006 4:38:03 PM |
Waluigi All American 2384 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "After the Israelites were taken captive, they lost much of their religious beliefs (and even their racial identity eventually)." |
are you talking about the years in Egypt or some other thing?2/28/2006 4:49:11 PM |
DeltaBeta All American 9417 Posts user info edit post |
Don't confuse him. He's got a lot of bullshit to keep straight. 2/28/2006 4:49:56 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "are you talking about the years in Egypt or some other thing? " |
No. I'm talking about when the 10-tribed northern nation of Israel was taken into captive to Assyria around 700 B.C., and when the 2/3-tribed southern nation of Judah was later taken captive to Babylon around 600 B.C.2/28/2006 4:52:09 PM |
Waluigi All American 2384 Posts user info edit post |
oh, the lost tribes?
never mind then. unless you have real academic studies of this and not just links for jewwatch or whatreallyhappened.
MATISYAHU DOES NOT APPROVE
[Edited on February 28, 2006 at 4:56 PM. Reason : .] 2/28/2006 4:52:38 PM |
JonHGuth Suspended 39171 Posts user info edit post |
i like where your heart is at, but be careful you dont say something stupid if you dont know the history of the tribes of israel 2/28/2006 5:49:39 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The Babylonian Talmud shows that the religion of "Judaism" is rabidly anti-Christian, calling Jesus a "sorcerer" and all Christians "idolaters."" |
Where does it say that?
Quote : | "It is Satanically inspired." |
Can you prove this?
Quote : | "And remember, the mystery religions go back to Babylon, and the official title of the Talmud is the "Babylonian Talmud."" |
So?
Quote : | "In many passages, the true meaning is not conveyed because the passage was not translated properly." |
So in situations like this, we should just assume that you are right and that the bible is wrong. Gotcha.3/1/2006 1:06:48 PM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, heal'd by the same means warm'd and cool'd by the same winter and summer as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
3/1/2006 10:55:03 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
And if [Jews] wrong us, shall we not revenge? 3/2/2006 8:27:25 AM |
erudite All American 3194 Posts user info edit post |
Can you summarize your point in a paragraph salisburyboy? I'm confused. 3/2/2006 8:43:11 AM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Can you summarize your point in a paragraph salisburyboy? I'm confused." |
I'll try to condense it to 2 short paragraphs:
Considering the Bible in it's entirety, it essentially concerns only one race of people, the Israelites. These were "God's Chosen People" and the only ones he gave his laws and commandments. God did not make similar covenants or dealings with any other race of people. It would seem logical that Jesus came only for the Israelites, because only they were under the law and needed a "savior." Passages such as Matthew 15:22-24 and 10:5-6 confirm this, where Jesus flatly states that he came only for the Israelites, and instructs his disciples to go unto the Israelites. Other passages in the new testament which seem to suggest that Jesus came for all the other races have been mistranslated and misinterpreted.
Based up that, the issue of who are the real physical Israelites is of vital importance. The so-called "Jews" are NOT racial Israelites, but are the descendants of the Edomites, Turkish Khazars, and others. Most of the true Israelites lost their racial identity following being taken into captivity around 600-700 B.C. Following release from captivity (from Babylon and Assyria), virtually 99% of the Israelites never returned to Palestine. There has been a debate about what happened to these people. They are often referred to as the "Lost Tribes of Israel." Based on historical and biblical evidence, we know that these people did not die out or disappear. Over the centuries, they migrated north over the Caucasus mountains and north and west into Europe (at the sime time in history as the "Caucasians" appeared on the scene). The descendants of the ancient Israelites are, in fact, the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Scandinavian, and kindred peoples of Europe.
[Edited on March 2, 2006 at 10:37 AM. Reason : `]3/2/2006 10:35:53 AM |
DeltaBeta All American 9417 Posts user info edit post |
Too bad both you and the bible are full of shit anyway. 3/2/2006 10:37:20 AM |
erudite All American 3194 Posts user info edit post |
I see what you're saying - but I am failing to see why this is of any importance.
Are you saying that the decents of Judah (Jews) don't deserve Israel (as was created by the UN)?
Are you saying that the "real Israelites" are responsible for starting (and I guess ending) the Holocaust?
I'm not sure I see why it matters who the real Israelites are - maybe I'm missing the religious implications. 3/2/2006 10:52:55 AM |
Supplanter supple anteater 21831 Posts user info edit post |
"I'm not sure I see why it matters who the real Israelites are - maybe I'm missing the religious implications."
^It could be taken as religious justification for racist thoughts. It turns out Jesus loves white people more, that caucasians are the chosen of God, and we are more special than fake Jews & other races. It seems like this could be a case of penis envy aimed firmly at the Jews.
Thats my take on it so far, but since I am checking this thread ocassionally, maybe if Salisburyboy elaborates on the implications more my understanding of it will change. 3/2/2006 11:22:01 AM |
erudite All American 3194 Posts user info edit post |
I'm still waiting 3/3/2006 1:55:31 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Are you saying that the decents of Judah (Jews) don't deserve Israel (as was created by the UN)?" |
I'm saying that 99% of those calling themselves "Jews" are NOT the descendants of Judah (or any other Israelite). Virtually all Jews are not racial Israelites. They are descendants of the Edomites, Turkish Khazars, and others.
Quote : | "Are you saying that the "real Israelites" are responsible for starting (and I guess ending) the Holocaust?" |
Virtually all of the major wars of the past 2-3 centuries have been instigated and fomented by the Zionist/Jewish elite (again, non-Israelites). Powerful Jewish Zionist banking families (like the Rothschild family) have weilded the real power in the world for centuries. They use wars to make themselves rich (by having the governments involved borrowing huge sums of money to finance the war), kill off millions of true Israelites (ie, the white Europeans), and as a way to advance their other goals (eg, police-state crackdowns, advance the movement towards globalism).
As for the Holocaust, powerful Jewish Zionist banking interest funded Hitler. The Nazis and the Zionists collaberated. Those Jews who were put in the camps were, by and large, Torah-only Jews who did not want to emigrate to Palestine (in opposition to the Zionists' wishes). And, as I've discussed before, the extent of the Holocaust has been greatly exaggerated. But these Zionist did not care if some of their "lower brethren" had to die to advance the greater Zionist cause. In fact, they needed some deaths to create the pretext to fully advance their agenda. And then they greatly embellished and exaggerated what really happenend in the camps in WWII to create the modern "Holocaust story", which serves their interests in so many ways--including creating a virtual immunity from criticism for the Jews and any actions they may take in the future.
Quote : | "I'm not sure I see why it matters who the real Israelites are - maybe I'm missing the religious implications." |
The Bible (including both the Old and New Testaments) was only written for the Israelites. It applies to no other races.
[Edited on March 3, 2006 at 2:47 PM. Reason : `]3/3/2006 2:46:34 PM |
erudite All American 3194 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "And, as I've discussed before, the extent of the Holocaust has been greatly exaggerated." |
So you've been to several camps in Europe to investigate? And how is it exaggerated exactly?3/3/2006 2:49:56 PM |
erudite All American 3194 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Virtually all Jews are not racial Israelites. They are descendants of the Edomites, Turkish Khazars, and others." |
Gonna need some proof here too. These are unusually bold statements. Again, wtf were white people (real Israelites) doing in the Middle East - evolution of man tends to prove this impractical.3/3/2006 2:51:30 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
^ As he has explained in the past, evolution is another lie created by the satanic zionists. 3/3/2006 3:05:14 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Gonna need some proof here too. These are unusually bold statements. " |
Educated Jews have admitted that most Jews are not racial Israelites. For instance, the 1925 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia stated that “Edom is modern Jewry.”
And I understand why you are placing the burden of proof on me because my claims are so opposite of the "mainstream" view. That said, why not apply this same skepticism to the "mainstream" establishment churches? Why not hold them to a similar burden of proof? Demand that they provide evidence to back up their claim that the so-called "Jews" are "God's Chosen People" and are the descendants of the Israelites.3/3/2006 3:14:31 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
what is "is" anyways 3/3/2006 3:35:50 PM |
DeltaBeta All American 9417 Posts user info edit post |
^^ THERE IS NOT A CHURCH OR RELIGION YET THAT CAN PROVE A FUCKING THING, JUST LIKE YOU, DIPSHIT 3/3/2006 3:38:13 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
no you're wrong
on the ninth night, Shiva did the dance of destruction, and with the Goddesses, he destroyed the demons of ignorance
this is the "Creative Destruction" that Schumpeter and the Austrian economists talk about
this is the new, new economy
its come a full circle
i'm right, you're wrong
that's just how it is ok 3/3/2006 3:48:03 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "THERE IS NOT A CHURCH OR RELIGION YET THAT CAN PROVE A FUCKING THING, JUST LIKE YOU, DIPSHIT " |
So are you as angry at these other churches and religions as you are with me?3/3/2006 3:57:52 PM |
erudite All American 3194 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "And, as I've discussed before, the extent of the Holocaust has been greatly exaggerated." |
So you've been to several camps in Europe to investigate? And how is it exaggerated exactly?3/3/2006 4:07:13 PM |
DeltaBeta All American 9417 Posts user info edit post |
^^ No because they're not racist ant-semitic douche bags, unlike you. 3/3/2006 4:11:49 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "So you've been to several camps in Europe to investigate?" |
No, I haven't. Have you?
I don't think having visited the camps is a pre-requisite to having an informed opinion on the matter.
Quote : | "And how is it exaggerated exactly?" |
In many ways. First of all, there was no Nazi plan to exterminate all the Jews. And the numbers of Jews that died has been greatly exaggerated. Probably only around 300,000 (or less) Jews died in the camps. Not the sacred 6 million as we've been told. Also, the stories of making lamp shades and soap out of Jews are false. And so are the stories of the gas chambers. The only gas chambers at the camps were delousing chambers to prevent disease.
Quote : | "No because they're not racist ant-semitic douche bags, unlike you." |
Thanks for the compliment.
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=392028
[Edited on March 3, 2006 at 4:20 PM. Reason : `]3/3/2006 4:12:56 PM |
DeltaBeta All American 9417 Posts user info edit post |
As I have no idea what a complement is, I'd have to say that I would hardly call that a compliment. 3/3/2006 4:16:28 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I don't think having visited the camps is a pre-requisite to having an informed opinion on the matter." |
The only pre-requisite to having an informed opinion is to visit jewwatch.com and biblebelievers.org.
Quote : | "First of all, there was no Nazi plan to exterminate all the Jews." |
There is a mountain of historical documents that supports this, but you ignore them all and claim that they are forgeries.
Quote : | "Probably only around 300,000 (or less) Jews died in the camps." |
How did you arrive at that figure?
Quote : | "Also, the stories of making lamp shades and soap out of Jews are false. And so are the stories of the gas chambers." |
The same wild claims with the same complete lack of evidence. Classic salisburyboy.3/3/2006 4:21:27 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "As I have no idea what a complement is" |
NOT THE GRAMMAR NAZIS
Quote : | "I'd have to say that I would hardly call that a compliment" |
It may be accurate to say that I fit the current definition of those terms, but while you intended that to be criticism, in reality it reflects well upon me because, as I explained in the referenced thread, God himself qualifies as a so-called "racist" and "anti-Semite." I'm in good company.3/3/2006 4:27:19 PM |
erudite All American 3194 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "No, I haven't. Have you?
I don't think having visited the camps is a pre-requisite to having an informed opinion on the matter." |
I have been to Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, and Dachau. If the gas chambers weren't used for killing people - no, jews weren't the only victims - why were empty poison gas (Zyklon-B) canisters there? Dachau was not a death camp like the previous two, but it was barely outside of Munich.
Until you have a chance to visit the places where the Holocaust took place, I suggest you rethink your informed opionion. On another topic - have you traveled much?
Quote : | "Probably only around 300,000 (or less) Jews died in the camps." |
Only 300,000? Regardless of how many people actually died (I'm no historian) you have to admit that is a lot of people for the Nazis to kill when they didn't have a "plan to exterminate all the Jews"
Quote : | "And so are the stories of the gas chambers. The only gas chambers at the camps were delousing chambers to prevent disease." |
Again, until you've seen it, I would not assume whatever you are reading to be true.
I may be wrong, but it seems as though you have a habit of letting others think for you.
[Edited on March 3, 2006 at 4:50 PM. Reason : [Looking forward to this response.]3/3/2006 4:28:57 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
WHAT
WOULD
GANESH
DO?
3/3/2006 5:21:59 PM |
erudite All American 3194 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "No, I haven't. Have you?
I don't think having visited the camps is a pre-requisite to having an informed opinion on the matter." |
I have been to Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, and Dachau. If the gas chambers weren't used for killing people - no, jews weren't the only victims - why were empty poison gas (Zyklon-B) canisters there? Dachau was not a death camp like the previous two, but it was barely outside of Munich.
Until you have a chance to visit the places where the Holocaust took place, I suggest you rethink your informed opionion. On another topic - have you traveled much?
Quote : | "Probably only around 300,000 (or less) Jews died in the camps." |
Only 300,000? Regardless of how many people actually died (I'm no historian) you have to admit that is a lot of people for the Nazis to kill when they didn't have a "plan to exterminate all the Jews"
Quote : | "And so are the stories of the gas chambers. The only gas chambers at the camps were delousing chambers to prevent disease." |
Again, until you've seen it, I would not assume whatever you are reading to be true.
I may be wrong, but it seems as though you have a habit of letting others think for you.
So I guess this thread is done?3/6/2006 9:39:06 AM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "If the gas chambers weren't used for killing people - no, jews weren't the only victims - why were empty poison gas (Zyklon-B) canisters there?" |
Zyklon-B was used for delousing to prevent disease. So of course there may have been empty canisters around.
Quote : | "Only 300,000? Regardless of how many people actually died (I'm no historian) you have to admit that is a lot of people for the Nazis to kill when they didn't have a "plan to exterminate all the Jews"" |
Most of those who died in the camps died of disease and starvation near the end of the war when the condition at the camps was deteriorating due to the supply lines being cut from all the Allied bombing. That's the reason that emaciated bodies were found at the camps upon their "liberation" by the Allies.
The camps were slave labor camps. They were NOT "death camps." There was no plan to exterminate the Jews. Records show that the worldwide Jewish population actually increased from just before the war to just after the war (from approximately 15.3 million circa 1940 to approximately 15.7 million circa 1949). That would have been impossible if 6 million had really been killed by the Nazis.
Quote : | "On another topic - have you traveled much?" |
Not outside of the United States.
Quote : | "So I guess this thread is done?" |
I guess not yet.3/6/2006 10:02:06 AM |
erudite All American 3194 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Zyklon-B was used for delousing to prevent disease. So of course there may have been empty canisters around." |
From wikipedia: Zyklon B (IPA tsyklo?n 'be?) was the tradename of a cyanide-based insecticide notorious for its use by Nazi Germany during the Holocaust to kill millions of people. It is also refered to as Cyclon B. It consisted of hydrocyanic acid (prussic acid), a stabilizer, and a warning odorant that were impregnated onto various substrates, typically small absorbant pellets, fiber discs, or diatomaceous earth. It was stored in airtight containers; when exposed to air, the substrates evolved gaseous hydrogen cyanide (HCN). The pesticide was used as a lethal chemical weapon by Nazi Germany in the holocaust gas chambers of the Auschwitz Birkenau and Majdanek extermination camps.
Empty poison gas canisters, found by the Allies at the end of World War IIZyklon B was used in the concentration camps initially for delousing to control typhus.
In January or February, 1940, 250 Gypsy children from Brno in the Buchenwald concentration camp were used as guinea pigs for testing the Zyklon B gas (see Proester's report ref.). In September 1941, the experiments with Zyklon B were performed in Auschwitz I. On September 3, 1941, 600 Soviet POWs were gassed with Zyklon B; this was the first experimentation with the gas at Auschwitz.
Modern Holocaust deniers assert that Zyklon B gas was not used in the gas chambers, as evidenced by the lack of Prussian Blue residue in the chambers themselves. The Institute for Forensic Research in Krakow, however, refuted this claim, finding substantial concentrations of cyanide in the buildings in 1994.3/6/2006 10:08:23 AM |
erudite All American 3194 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The camps were slave labor camps. They were NOT "death camps." There was no plan to exterminate the Jews." |
I'm going to need some proof here.
Quote : | "Not outside of the United States." |
That explains a lot.3/6/2006 10:14:10 AM |