that's me, i didnt remember his name and in glancing over the thread i must have saw 'roberts' w/ no apostrophe and latched on to that.

12/16/2007 10:52:31 PM

Quote :

"and to those who said Children of Men is better you are out of you fucking mind"

Let's look at the facts:

Children of Men:
Directed by Alfonso Cuarón. Director of such actual great films as Y Tu Mama Tambien and Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
IMDb Rating: 8.2/10
Rotten Tomatoes score of 92%
Nominated for 3 Oscars. Another 19 wins & 23 nominations.

I am legend:
Directed by Francis Lawrence. Director of such great films as Britney Spears music videos and Jennifer Lopez music videos.
IMDb Rating: 7.9/10
Rotten Tomatoes score of 61%


In other news, you're an idiot and I know more of what I am talking about.

[Edited on December 16, 2007 at 11:19 PM. Reason : ]

12/16/2007 11:17:27 PM

I swear, I keep coming back to combat tactics. I can't understand why he'd continue to live in his house even if he did have the lab there. It'd make more sense to work in the lab during the day, and then spend the night in something much more fortified. I mean, if you really want to simplify it, why not just tow one of those abandoned armored vehicles up to the front of the house as a failsafe? Even if it has no power, you just need something impregnable enough to hold them off until the sun comes up. What better than an APC?

And how exactly did Anna and Ethan get out of the lab? If the monsters spend the daylight hours sequestered in dark buildings, and the lab is in the basement of the house, doesn't that present a serious problem for their escape since the sunlight won't reach down there? I don't believe for a minute that one grenade could have cleared out all of the monsters attacking.

12/16/2007 11:19:37 PM

eh, I'll allow for those two to escape. if we are to assume that the grenade killed everyone in the lab then I'm ok with assuming that the mass of vampires attacking were all there in the lab and all died from the blast.

I was just thinking of another question.. why does he seem to sleep in a bathtub the first night we spend with him and then sleep in his bed all the other nights?

12/16/2007 11:24:56 PM

^Or better yet why he goes to bed in the bathtub but when it cuts back to morning of the same night he's in his bed?

And ^^, read the book, he does a much better job or fortifying, to an extent, in the book. But considering the time period of the book, he didn't have a lot of the resources this Robert Neville had access too and some of them had more weaknesses than the movie "vampires" did.

12/16/2007 11:35:05 PM

i just assumed he got up at a certain point when he felt it was safe and went to sleep on the bed for a while, cause he wasnt even sleeping when he was layin in the tub.

12/17/2007 12:05:12 AM

Quote :

"Or better yet why he goes to bed in the bathtub but when it cuts back to morning of the same night he's in his bed?"

cause the first part looks good in the trailers

12/17/2007 12:05:17 AM

For those of you who hate this movie get the F out of here. Like I said before #1 ALL time movie to come out in december. That is saying a lot. Close to over 80 mill in 3 day weekend. WOW and still a LOT of people that want to go see it! Good movie and intense I would reccomend don't listen to the tww haters of everything.

12/17/2007 12:11:38 AM

Quote :

"Close to over 80 mill in 3 day weekend."

I saw it, thought it was ok. Not to take anything from it, but half the reason why it grossed so much revenue is due to the fact that nothing "worth seeing" was out at this time. Consider that.

I gave it a B+

-Don't care to much about CG abuse.
-enjoyed the suspense
- Im a big fan of survival movies, so my b+ is kinda biased.

[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 12:33 AM. Reason : /]

12/17/2007 12:31:45 AM

I just went to see it at the 10:10 pm showing in Cary. The theater was about half full. That's not bad for the last showing on a Sunday night. It looks like the money isn't going to stop coming in for this one anytime soon.

12/17/2007 12:43:28 AM

everyone seems to love bashing all elements of the movie without giving it any credit. i thought it wasnt perfect, but was definately a great movie. it held everyone's attention and kept you on the edge of your seat. When the movie was silent you could hear a pin drop in the theater.

~80 mil is crazy for opening wkend in december, but how successful this movie is as a whole will depend on the next 2 weekends. You know, when everyone talks about it and then people go based off reccomendations. That's much more telling of the quality of the movie, the first weekend is more about the hype and advertising the movie had.

i was not a fan of the CGI like everyone is saying, but honestly it was not that big of a deal. they shouldnt have had such superhuman abilities, but it was acceptable overall. I understood the increased heartrate and perhaps increased stamina/ability, but you're telling me that guy at the end smashing his head into the glass didn't die, but 4 seconds in the sun was instant death?

oh and the use of silence is what made this movie.. it was excellent

12/17/2007 12:50:40 AM

What was the purpose of the stuff (vinegar?) he'd pour on his doorstep and other things throughout the movie?

---

I liked it a lot, right up to the introduction of the other two live humans. It was mostly downhill from there.

1) How are this woman and kid traveling at night?
2) Why wasn't the colony broadcasting its presence over radio like Neville, or, alternatively, how did Neville not notice their broadcast?
3) The God stuff was too much, too blatant, too fast. If there had been references to that sort of thing since the beginning, it might have been acceptable. As it was, it seemed like a tacked-on way to explain why the woman showed up when she did.

---

Overall, I still give it a 7/10.

[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 12:57 AM. Reason : ]

12/17/2007 12:56:42 AM

Yea, now that I think about it that god and prophecy stuff (look at the butterfly!!!! >_> was pretty tacked on and blatant like you said. The colony wasn't broadcasting I think, since she only knew of it because god told her. Meh, I'll go with it and let it be.

Quote :

"What was the purpose of the stuff (vinegar?) he'd pour on his doorstep and other things throughout the movie?"

In the book part of Robert's nightly ritual of securing his house is to sprinkle garlic water around his house. You could assume in the movie that this is the same case, or that he is using vinegar or a cleaning agent to cover his tracks as he enters the house. The vampires still didn't know where he lived and he wanted to keep secret in the house.

12/17/2007 1:53:22 AM

Quote :

"For those of you who hate this movie get the F out of here. Like I said before #1 ALL time movie to come out in december. That is saying a lot. Close to over 80 mill in 3 day weekend. WOW and still a LOT of people that want to go see it! Good movie and intense I would reccomend don't listen to the tww haters of everything."

that's impressive, but it doesn't say much about the quality of the movie. just that a lot of people thought it would be good.

12/17/2007 2:01:57 AM

There was no actual reason for him to kill himself in the end.

Therefore, the ending was very weak.

12/17/2007 2:20:42 AM

if you are going to start picking on every tiny flaw, don't forget...

when he opened his closet and the Goodfellas DVD is obviously displayed...he grabs some stuff from the closet (and as he is closing the closet door the DVD is still in it) then leaves for the video store...

you can then see him returning the DVD even though he left it home



because of this.... this movie is the worst thing ever made




and no, I wasn't serious (about that last part)

12/17/2007 2:26:12 AM

Quote :

"80 mil is crazy for opening wkend in december, but how successful this movie is as a whole will depend on the next 2 weekends. You know, when everyone talks about it and then people go based off reccomendations. That's much more telling of the quality of the movie, the first weekend is more about the hype and advertising the movie had. "

12/17/2007 2:31:52 AM

Quote :

"There was no actual reason for him to kill himself in the end. Therefore, the ending was very weak. "

one could argue that he had to sacrifice himself because he had to time the grenade...

if he would have pulled the pin and hid/escaped with the rest, the grenade would only have broken the protective glass and killed a few of the cgi's...
???



ohh, and he found jesus because of a butterflies

12/17/2007 2:35:16 AM

Fading out at the end with no hope of getting the cure out would have been a much better ending.

12/17/2007 3:20:38 AM

Quote :

"Close to over 80 mill in 3 day weekend."

you bust be a big backstreet boys and britney spears fan

12/17/2007 8:06:54 AM

Quote :

"What was the purpose of the stuff (vinegar?) he'd pour on his doorstep and other things throughout the movie?"

I had wondered this as well. It occurred to me that perhaps it was deer urine, like hunters use. It'd help mask any trackable scent of his or the dog's presence in the house.

Quote :

"1) How are this woman and kid traveling at night?"

Yeah, this one bothered me as well. I wondered if it might have something to do with their threat level to the monsters. If they weren't perceived as a high threat (like Neville), then they'd have been largely left alone.

Quote :

"one could argue that he had to sacrifice himself because he had to time the grenade... if he would have pulled the pin and hid/escaped with the rest, the grenade would only have broken the protective glass and killed a few of the cgi's... ???"

Yeah, but grenades aren't "live" just because the pin is pulled. The "spoon" has to spring off of it as well. In this manner, you can pull the pin and hold the spoon on for as long as you like. Just don't drop it! The second the spoon springs off, you've got about 5 seconds to get rid of it. I'd say that he thought he had to get the grenade just far enough away from the safe that the concussion wouldn't kill the people inside. Still, though, I don't really see any reason why he couldn't have crawled right into the safe door, armed the grenade, tossed it just outside, and then closed it quickly.

Eh, I have a lot of problems with the combat tactics used in this movie, but I still really enjoyed it.

12/17/2007 8:13:51 AM

he should have thrown the grenade through that hole in the glass, i thought that's what he was going to try to do - that would have given him at least a chance to live if he was able to a. get it far enough away and b. duck and cover

probably would have still killed him but worth a shot

and the person who said he should have lived elsewhere was right

id have lived in a bank vault or some shit at night

12/17/2007 8:19:31 AM

So should I pay to see this, or should I just pop "Omega Man" in?

12/17/2007 9:45:52 AM

I'd definitely go see it. The environmental CGI is amazing, even though most people agree that the monsters aren't of the same caliber. Will Smith also does some fantastic acting.

12/17/2007 9:59:06 AM

Quote :

"1) How are this woman and kid travelling at night?"

Deus ex machina

12/17/2007 10:15:43 AM

So he's been alone for 3 yrs, I'm assuming that it only took about a year or so for the Dark Stalker guys to kill/eat what was left of the humans in the city and start to starve. Those dudes were pretty fast and agile, I would think that they needed to eat a lot to keep up their metabolism, but he said himself that they were starving. How were they able to survive for that long without food? I guess they could hunt the random deer and animals that ran through the city, but they didn't have any guns or weapons to catch them and even though they were fast, I'd think a deer could outrun them.

Also, rather than try and find a cure, I'd think it would be easier for him to just let them starve to death. Honestly, if he had found the cure and slowly started capturing/curing them, then he how many would he be able to keep safe while he was curing the rest? His safe house would only be able to hold so many, and you know there would always be that dumbass that somehow lets the Dark Stalkers know where they are.

Another thing, he injected that infected rat with one of his attempted cures and it seemed to work fine (even though it killed the human infected test subject). Did he inject the dog with it? I would think that if the dog is gonna turn into a zombie dog, he would at least try that stuff... it might not work on humans but it did work on the rat, and even if it didn't work on the dog it would at least probably kill the dog before it turned into a zombie.

12/17/2007 10:21:21 AM

She originally was living off the coast with the Red Cross from what I remember, and they were immune. She heard Smith's broadcasts and came to the pier one day at noon and waited all day, hiding out somewhere at night I suppose. She never said that she traveled at night.

^He did try it on the dog, but then he recognized the symptoms (red eyes, shedding hair, bright red
veins in gums) and it was failing, so he killed the dog when it started attacking him.



also, it was his personal promise to his wife and kid (and the world, basically) to find the cure, so he was going to do whatever it took to do that.


[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 10:26 AM. Reason : new post]

12/17/2007 10:22:39 AM

Quote :

"For those of you who hate this movie get the F out of here. Like I said before #1 ALL time movie to come out in december. That is saying a lot. Close to over 80 mill in 3 day weekend. WOW and still a LOT of people that want to go see it! Good movie and intense I would reccomend don't listen to the tww haters of everything."

BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT MEASURE OF A FILM'S QUALITY

LET'S LOOK AT THE TOP TEN GROSSING MOVIES OF THIS YEAR

1. Spiderman 3
2. POTC 3
3. Shrek 3
4. Harry Potter #5? 6?
5. I Am Legend
6. The Simpsons
7. 300
8. Transformers
9. Bourne Ultimatum
10. Fantastic Four 2


CLEARLY A GROUP WORTHY OF BEST PICTURE NOMINATIONS

OH WAIT, THE EXACT OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

12/17/2007 10:40:13 AM

to be fair, transformers was the best movie ever

12/17/2007 10:50:38 AM

#5 top grossing movie of the year already and its just released? Impressive!

12/17/2007 11:00:15 AM

^^^Bourne Ultimatum was actually very good, though... the others, yeah, it's just a measure of hype.

[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 11:01 AM. Reason : .]

12/17/2007 11:01:38 AM

I liked this movie.

I went to see this movie with an Art Major female friend and she wouldn't shut up about the pieces of art hanging in his house.

Anyway, I thought Dark Stalker guys "following them home" was a cop out. I also didn't understand how they were all huddled together in the bank vault standing up, i guess sleeping? not sure. I wish the CGI had been better.

Plus their intelligence increased I assumed. They had a leader. They also setup that trap on him. \

Good movie though.

12/17/2007 11:04:29 AM

because...they did follow him home? what's wrong with that

although i don't see how he escaped without being followed when he had been caught in the trap earlier at dusk

12/17/2007 11:05:57 AM

nm

[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 11:20 AM. Reason : +]

12/17/2007 11:20:08 AM

The problem that I see with the woman traveling is how did she get there? All the bridges and what not got taken out. And even assuming she came by water and then left by water to find a vehicle on the other side . . . how would she have had time to find the generator and gas cans and all that other crap that was on top of the SUV she rolled up to the colony in?

12/17/2007 11:42:12 AM

^I'm pretty sure she took his. The SUV she was driving looked like the one he was driving earlier.

12/17/2007 12:04:31 PM

The one difference between not following him home after the trap and following him home after the pier is that one was dusk, the other was sunrise. At sunrise they are already outside and need to come in; at dusk they have to wait to come out still.

12/17/2007 12:11:44 PM

Quote :

"although i don't see how he escaped without being followed when he had been caught in the trap earlier at dusk"

Most likely, he didn't go home. He did say something about having to stay out all night since they were being tracked.

12/17/2007 12:28:21 PM

^^^^good point, i can't think of how she got to the city other than boat...and even then to find the perfect SUV to drive around. If it was his from earlier then why did he have two decked out SUV's, since he was in the process of wrecking one of them when she came up in her's.

[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 12:30 PM. Reason : ^]

12/17/2007 12:29:27 PM

I don't know NYC geography at all but is there really no way to get out of manhattan aside from the tunnel (flooded of course) and the 2 bridges?

12/17/2007 12:55:45 PM

^ I was wondering that myself.

12/17/2007 1:13:46 PM

cross the harlem river to the north by many smaller bridges or boat

[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 1:23 PM. Reason : and tunnels]

12/17/2007 1:18:14 PM

i don't think he was trying to get out, that's pretty much the point

and why arent the deer/lions infected? assuming the monsters feed on them - and seek them and that the disease is airborne.

[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 1:45 PM. Reason : ]

12/17/2007 1:42:12 PM

the problem with this type of movie is that you can always say, well what about this or that because it totally changes the world in it. There really is no movie with a similar premise that you arent like, well what about this thing.. thats not how it would have happened. You just have to kinda let it go and enjoy the film.

12/17/2007 1:58:08 PM

transformers is like 150 on the list of the top 100 movies ever

12/17/2007 2:00:12 PM

Quote :

"and why arent the deer/lions infected? assuming the monsters feed on them - and seek them and that the disease is airborne. "

He says in the movie that canines are immune to the airborn form of the virus... thus it can be assumed deer and such are immune as well. If they are fed on, then they are eaten and don't really get the chance to become a zombie thing.... because they are in night stalker's bellies.

12/17/2007 2:08:33 PM

oh, i thought it was just his dog that was immune to the airborne, not all dogs

12/17/2007 2:20:25 PM

Quote :

"Those dudes were pretty fast and agile, I would think that they needed to eat a lot to keep up their metabolism, but he said himself that they were starving. How were they able to survive for that long without food?"

In the book, anyway, they resorted to cannibalism. Every night there would be a couple of dead ones outside his house from the group out there giving up and feeding on one of their own.

Quote :

"She originally was living off the coast with the Red Cross from what I remember, and they were immune."

At some point she was on the boat, yes, but according to the dialogue she was in Maryland when she heard the broadcast.

12/17/2007 2:38:44 PM

Pretty good movie, didn't live up to the hype for me. I liked 28 Weeks Later better.

12/17/2007 2:43:23 PM

i love the extremes, the movie was good, a high quality zombie/vampire movie. B is a good rating, and anything B or better to me is worth the 6.50.

No zombie/vampire movie will ever be the best thing ever, and it also wasn't complete garbage as some people said. And using opening weekend statistics to support how good a movie is doesn't make sense, it is more or less a gauge on the hype/advertising.

12/17/2007 2:57:40 PM