It just blows my mind that people think this guy is just some random third string running back that the opposing team doesn't worry about. It's plain as day this guy disrupts an entire defense.

10/16/2006 3:43:12 PM

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"No, I think they are thinking let's just let one of the most explosive athletes in the game loose in the openfield and see what he does... if he beats us oh well"

Ok where did I say they should let him run loose? I think one of the main points of my post was that defenses always try to cover running backs when they come out of the backfield. The fact that they cover Bush does not show that they are giving him special consideration as someone said.

Also I think even you know that when teams were playing the saints Bush was not there main concern. They would try to contain deuce, then joe horn, then Brees. Bush is not even one of the top three threats on his team. How can you say teams are really worried about him when hes by far not the biggest threat on his team. If teams really are game planning for him maybe that explains why the saints have won so many games.

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"It's plain as day this guy disrupts an entire defense."

Really then I don't know what games you been watching. Steve Smith disrupts a defense Bush does not.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 5:10 PM. Reason : :]

10/16/2006 5:08:54 PM

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"If teams really are game planning for him maybe that explains why the saints have won so many games."

Bingo.

If I'm an NFL defensive coordinator, I'm treating Bush like every other player on the Saints' offense. Colston has shown what he can do, Deuce has shown no ill effects from the knee injury, Brees is leading the team far more effectively than Brooks ever did, Joe Horn is back, and the OL is keeping everybody locked up long enough for everything to happen. If defenses feel like they can't stop Bush without shading four guys his direction whenever he's on the field, then that's on them. Spies ultimately work on Vick because if you take away his legs, he has to beat you with his arm, and it's almost a given that you'll win if you force him to pass. However, trying to employ a spy on a guy who may not even see the ball on a play just allows everyone else to torch you.

10/16/2006 5:41:48 PM

i think some of the same people that are saying Bush is a great NFL running back also consider Vick a great NFL quarterback

whereas someone like me says "Vick is a great FOOTBALL PLAYER but not a great QB because he doesnt have the accuracy that most NFL QB's have" and "Bush is becoming a great NFL FOOTBALL PLAYER but not a great RB because he hasnt shown he can carry the ball 20 times a game and get tough yards inside

10/16/2006 5:55:09 PM

If Reggie Bush's name was Marquis Colston nobody would even mention him except for the one play where he returned a punt for a touchdown. He has 3.0 yards per carry when there's another guy in the same backfield with the same O-line facing the same defenses and averaging 4.9 yards per carry while carrying the ball more often and being the third down/goal line back. Bush is only average when it comes to yards per catch for a running back. The only thing he's shown he is good at is punt returning.

Blaming his bad production on him being a rookie is a cop out after giving him all that hype. Many rookies have put up better numbers with worser teams. No, he didn't turn the Saints around. The Saints were an 8-8 team with Aaron Brooks. They were consistently hovering around that record until last year when Deuce got injured and Katrina left them in shambles practicing on high school fields and playing in stadiums hundreds of miles from home. To claim Bush is the reason their offense is so productive is ludicrous, when it has more to do with the fact that they have three pro bowlers in Horn, McAllister, and Brees plus the most productive rookie on their team, Marquis Colston.

10/16/2006 6:57:02 PM

change it to worse quick or people will throw out your whole post young sir

10/16/2006 7:07:12 PM

money in the bank, regardless.

10/17/2006 10:25:06 AM

worser, really? i mean come on. worser?

10/17/2006 10:33:42 AM

The keys are right next to each other.

10/17/2006 10:47:28 PM

Aside from returning punts, whats the difference between Reggie Bush and say.....Kevin Jones? Anybody remember him? Well, right now he has 31 receptions and is averaging 6.7 yards per catch. These numbers are only slightly below Bush's and he's doing it in Detroit of all places.

He doesn't have Dre Brees throwing him the ball or Deuce McAllister in the backfield with him. No, has John Kitna and BRIAN CALHOUN (and no, I didn't have to look that up believe it or not).

There are three main differences:
1. His name isn't Reggie Bush
2. He's averaging 4.2 yards per carry
3.He isn't making 8.5 million a year

Reggie Bush is basically a utility player. He fills a role but gets treated like a Godsend. Kevin Jones is a true NFL Running Back, but no one notices.

As for NFL defense paying special attention to Bush, sure they do. They say "this is Reggie Bush, he has good hands, and he moves well in space," just like they do for Kevin Jones. Then they play cover 2 and have a linebacker pick him up in the zone. Again, just like Kevin Jones.

It's far to early to tell how good Reggie Bush will be, he has potential but the jurry is still out. As of now he is overpayed and overhyped.

10/18/2006 12:17:46 AM

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"Aside from returning punts, whats the difference between Reggie Bush and say.....Kevin Jones? "

Reggie Bush is a rookie?
Reggie Bush hasn't been on a shit team for 3 years?

The Saints are 5-1?
The Lions suck?

This "Reggie Bush is only a utility player" argument is dumb. It's not like he's only one by choice and they keep winning so there's no need to fix what isn't broken.

[Edited on October 18, 2006 at 1:05 AM. Reason : .]

10/18/2006 1:03:50 AM

he is one by choice...by choice of the coaches because they realize he cant produce as well as mccalister...he sucks it up in the backfield

10/18/2006 9:34:38 AM

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"He fills a supporting role but gets treated like a Godsend."

10/18/2006 1:47:23 PM

[Edited on October 18, 2006 at 6:21 PM. Reason : k]

10/18/2006 6:21:34 PM

See, told you he was good!

10/18/2006 6:22:29 PM

Video games don't do everybody justice.

10/18/2006 6:25:16 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0610/gallery.nfl.rookiewatch6/content.10.html

This list is a fucking joke.

Reggie Bush doesn't do shit last week but he gets the #1 spot for being a glorified decoy.

ESPN needs to stop sucking his cock.

10/20/2006 12:55:05 AM

^also, SI

10/20/2006 9:47:16 AM

^^seriously...Devin Hester gets the game-winning touchdown against Arizona and he's ranked like 8th

10/20/2006 10:05:11 AM

When Reggie Bush scores the game winning touchdown off a punt return it's huge news. When Devin Hester does it, the media doesn't care.

10/20/2006 10:11:26 AM

When Reggie Bush takes a handoff and runs off right tackle for a gain of 1 yard, it's big news.

When Reggie Bush is on the sideline drinking Gatorade, that flavor sees a 25% increase in supermarket sales throughout the southeast.

When Reggie Bush hi-fives Marques Colston after he (MC) scores a touchdown, the bookkeepers get confused and debate whether or not the TD should actually go to Bush.

When Reggie Bush eats Subway, Jared Fogle loses 5 pounds.

10/20/2006 10:15:22 AM

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"Right now he can't be a full time reciever or running back, because he can't do either really well."

i still dont understand why people are making comments like this and just leaving it at that

you cant just say "oh hes not good at (insert position here)" and expect to convince someone

and PS...theres WAY WAY WAY more to accounting for a player on the field than simply covering them out of the backfield...give me a fucking break

do you think they simply put a LB or a S on Antonio Gates and call it a day?

get a fucking clue man

i mean does anybody know anything about football in here?

10/20/2006 1:51:50 PM

^who is a better NFL RUNNING BACK...Deuce McAllister or Reggie Bush?

10/20/2006 1:53:34 PM

i would say mcallister due to his strength and instincts

10/20/2006 1:57:02 PM

i would agree

not to say bush isnt a really good player, but vick is a good player, but not an excellent passing QB

i still think one of the beefs with Bush is he is hyped up to be Walter Payton...the hype is just dumb but thats the current mass media landscape we are in

10/20/2006 1:58:25 PM

yeah but when he gets his strength up and gets that invaluable experience people in NO will be like "Deuce who?"

10/20/2006 2:01:35 PM

Deuce is also capable - and proven - at doing the same things Bush is getting praised for.

Caught 50 passes per year from 02-04, and was on pace for 64 in 2005 - I'll let anyone in our studio audience take a guess as to why he isn't catching it as much this year

Averaged 24 yards per KR as a rookie (they actually don't allow Bush to return kickoffs, and returning punts is different, but the skill set is there)

Lined up all over the field when he and Ricky Willams played together... and as a rookie, to boot.


^ I doubt that, because Deuce is EXTREMELY popular all throughout the Gulf Coast. Every preseason the team would take some players around the Gulf Coast, and Deuce was always THE guy. All the king's horses and all the king's Heisman winners won't change that.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:08 PM. Reason : ~]

10/20/2006 2:06:02 PM

Bush will do all that way better

please dont act like hes not going to

10/20/2006 2:07:28 PM

We don't know that yet.

People like you - that are itching to hand him the keys, just like that - are the reason why we get bullshit rhetoric from SI and ESPN already declaring him the Rookie of the Year. "pretty soon, all the tools will be there, so lets award him now and have an 'I told you so' stashed away"

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:10 PM. Reason : patience, grasshopper.]

10/20/2006 2:08:30 PM

come on man this is ridiculous

can he not catch?

can he not run?

i mean seriously

deuce has him in strength and instincts

how long do you think that will last?

10/20/2006 2:10:47 PM

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"can he not catch? can he not run? "

he's an offensive football player thats not a lineman or quarterback

i sure as fuck hope he can catch and run

10/20/2006 2:16:12 PM

what?

10/20/2006 2:16:56 PM

i thought you were asking if bush could catch and run

i would hope he could, considering he gets paid money to catch and run

10/20/2006 2:18:13 PM

i feel like i need to get you guys some crayons and paper here

10/20/2006 2:19:32 PM

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"Bush will do all that way better please dont act like hes not going to"

did you use crayons to draw your crystal ball that knows all things in sports?

hey if you did, holler, im tryin to make that Biff Tannen money

10/20/2006 2:21:26 PM

Dante Hall is a better returner than Najeh Davenport because he is more physically gifted

Bush is so much more physically gifted than Deuce its ridiculous

1+1=2

10/20/2006 2:23:01 PM

so you're only claim is that Bush is a better return man than Deuce? no arguments here, if all you're talking about is returns

though Steve Smith is a better return man than both of them

10/20/2006 2:24:19 PM

sleik brought up the returns and pass catching

all my recent posts have been based on that

10/20/2006 2:26:37 PM

sleik also brought up (and i believe he's a saints fan who likes bush, if im not mistaken) that nobody knows what players will do because its the NFL and its like that and you never know about injuries, expectations, etc

10/20/2006 2:27:28 PM

i just cant see a guy like bush

having so many tangibles and intangibles

and having so much money invested in him

NOT developing or being developed into something to be feared

hes a good guy with good ethic

dudes like that dont just fall off




we're not just talking about some athletic as hell 7th rounder fighting his way onto special teams and working and working and working his way to become a pro bowl RB

were talking about the second coming of christ or whatever people say people say

smart money goes to bush becoming great considering how little he has to do to become such

hate money goes to bush being too lazy or plain unable to lift a weight to get stronger or being too stupid to ever develop nfl instincts



my dad hates T.O. cuz hes on tv all the time

but he sure as shit wouldnt want to have to step in front of him to make a tackle

and he's bigger than T.O.

so

DONT BE HATIN

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:33 PM. Reason : .]

10/20/2006 2:32:07 PM

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"come on man this is ridiculous can he not catch? can he not run? i mean seriously deuce has him in strength and instincts how long do you think that will last?"

Dude, WE DON'T FUCKING KNOW.

I wonder if people like you - and the sad part is, some of them are Saints fans - WANT something unfortunate to happen to Deuce, for the sole reason of giving Bush [even more of] the spotlight.

TT10, yes I'm a Saints fan, and I don't dislike Bush by any stretch. However, considering that I'm not having a shitpantsfest over the guy, it can be perceived as hate. Que sera, sera.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ~]

10/20/2006 2:38:51 PM

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"were talking about the second coming of christ"

but thats the problem

we dont know what were talking about

were talking about a fucking unbelievable college football player who may or may not be an NFL superstar

but you cant just crown somebody king shit just because they're expected to be king shit

they gotta earn it...and he's on his way...but its a loooooooooooooong road

10/20/2006 2:39:56 PM

we do know

the answer is soon

and its funny that youre so worried...considering hes on your team getting it in with the big boys

and i could care less what happens to the saints or deuce or bush or whatever

i pull for them to do well only to help their city

if they get in the giants way i wish them death and destruction

10/20/2006 2:40:53 PM

c'ya on christmas eve, hope YOUR BOY bush scores 800 TDs on ya

10/20/2006 2:41:59 PM

im not crowning him king anything

show me where i have

im making fun of the people whose "scouting skills" tell them he needs to be a WR or anything other than a RB

that shit is funny to me

^ haha dude you know its curtains for your team on that night

but i bet bush scores

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:43 PM. Reason : whose]

10/20/2006 2:42:07 PM

aww man, by then we'll have our playoff berth sealed up, and bush will likely be out playing Santa Reginald, giving all the poor kids of the 9th ward fully refurbished playrooms; and their mothers, mink coats and steak dinners.

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 2:48 PM. Reason : meanwhile eli will have to stay & play so that the giants can backdoor into the postseason. ]

10/20/2006 2:47:14 PM

psh whateverrr

10/20/2006 2:52:08 PM

If Tiki is serious about retiring, I'm sure the Saints would be willing to move McAllister because OHMYGOD REGGIEBUSH HAS WON OVER THE FANS and besides, we don't need any defensive ends anyway. so what the fuck would you guys trade us, oh wait I know, we'll take a 5th rounder to draft a DT from a midmajor school that never plays so much as a preseason snap for us.

10/20/2006 3:01:22 PM

holla

im thinking a trade up for adrian peterson though

hotnessssssssssssssssssss

10/20/2006 3:32:23 PM

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"Quote :"Right now he can't be a full time reciever or running back, because he can't do either really well." i still dont understand why people are making comments like this and just leaving it at that "

Well I did explain why this is so, but obviously you didn't bother to read it, or you just chose to ignore it. If he was capable of being a full time RB or WR don't you think the saints would be using him as one? His rushing stats are pretty mediocre at best. I also pointed out the only reason hes been catching ball as a running back is because hes being covered most of the time by slower linebackers. If he was moved to WR hes not going to have that advantega over a CB.

You keep saying that Bush is going to be a great player, and all you've given to support that is that you think hes too talanted to fail. How many player out of college with talent have ended up as busts? You're the one claiming to know the future if you look at what you quoted you will see i was referring to "Right now". I think I've more than justified my opinion your's is a little lacking.

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"and PS...theres WAY WAY WAY more to accounting for a player on the field than simply covering them out of the backfield...give me a fucking break "

Again you need to go back and actually read what I was talking about. But if you really want to address it when it comes to Bush all you need to worry about is him catching a few passes and running the occasional reverse. I don't think any team is afraid of him running the ball right now.

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"do you think they simply put a LB or a S on Antonio Gates and call it a day?"

What the fuck kind of comparison is this? Are you serious? Let me state the differences here. First off Gates has actually shown he can score an offensive touchdown. Secondly Gates is a bigger stronger player than bush and has shown he can shake off defenders. Thirdly Gates is a TE could you not have found a Rb to compare bush to?

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"get a fucking clue man i mean does anybody know anything about football in here?"

I have to say nothing you have posted has shown me that you have anymore than a basic understanding of football.

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"hes a good guy with good ethic"

Isn't he being investigated for taking money while in college?

[Edited on October 20, 2006 at 3:48 PM. Reason : :]

10/20/2006 3:48:00 PM