Restricted All American 15537 Posts user info edit post |
The whole terrorist thing is a set-up to complete the Rico. And Christopher will die in a drunken car wreck. End of Series. 5/7/2007 10:55:47 AM |
mootduff All American 1462 Posts user info edit post |
plausibly, after last night he could take steps toward ratting everyone out, but since he's on the wagon (or off, whichever), he could be supposed to meet w/ agents etc, and then dies in a drunk driving wreck... 5/7/2007 12:25:43 PM |
SipnOnSyzurp All American 8923 Posts user info edit post |
FUCK YOUR NEIGHBORS. WHEN YOU GONNA PAY ME?
WHEN YOU SUCK THE MONEY OUT OF MY ASS
also what was that song playing at the end credits 5/7/2007 12:54:26 PM |
Kainen All American 3507 Posts user info edit post |
One thing I have noticed is that they are really really writing Tony's character into the ground this season. He's gone from guy with good/bad traits, monster still - but with redeeming qualities to a complete and utter satanic figure.
Basically anyone trying to heal around him and he's like his mother and is just pushing them down. Chris, AJ, Carm, Bobby, Paulie, Hesh - reducing their own healing and character to shit, ruining relationships. It's like a wrecking crew and he won't be satisfied until it's over and done with.
But the strange thing is that this season a lot of people are probably not liking it as much bc/ honestly, there is absolutely ZERO reason to root for Tony any more. He's turned totally into his mom and is unbelievably evil. 5/7/2007 12:55:13 PM |
DZAndrea All American 26939 Posts user info edit post |
I think AJ will die in something related to his new friends. Perhaps that crazed look he had when they were pouring acid will lead him to not want to hang with them anymore and they retailiate. 5/7/2007 1:27:29 PM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
I doubt they would dare touch AJ. They're smart enough to know that they'd die a very slow death if that happened. If anything, they may be suddenly best buddies with him to get in Tony's good graces. 5/7/2007 2:37:01 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
AJ being introduced as Tony Sopranos son for street cred reminded me of his clubbing days a while back. 5/7/2007 2:56:16 PM |
donjeep22 All American 560 Posts user info edit post |
AJ will kill some fool and get caught. Tony will take the rap and let his son live the life he never had.
Of course Paulie will die, and Chris will turn somehow. I assume this has been brought up, but HBO might do a spin off on Chris.
My take. 5/7/2007 10:42:16 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
i feel like this entire season is written solely to yank people around
at the end of every episode i think "Whoa. They're going to kill off _______ next week!"
and then theres some poorly written resolution and they move on to something else 5/7/2007 10:47:18 PM |
SipnOnSyzurp All American 8923 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "also what was that song playing at the end credits" |
it's los lobos, surprisingly.
"The Valley"5/11/2007 11:05:14 PM |
Cif82 All American 10455 Posts user info edit post |
5/12/2007 8:21:58 PM |
qosafoonir Veteran 156 Posts user info edit post |
^ Who looks like a bigger tool in that picture? 5/12/2007 11:14:55 PM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
that's a tough one.
one the one hand, AJ has the ear ring and thin chin beard and may be drinking a rolling rock.
on the other hand, other dude is wearing a fully zipped up track jacket and he's holding his cig like its a joint. plus, what's with that expression?
tough call 5/12/2007 11:18:50 PM |
joepeshi All American 8094 Posts user info edit post |
I'd say AJ b/c he looks like KD Lang 5/13/2007 12:35:53 AM |
gts92483 All American 859 Posts user info edit post |
Holy shit,
that just happened 5/13/2007 9:14:37 PM |
sublimechica All American 10847 Posts user info edit post |
damn
fuckin crazy 5/13/2007 9:25:19 PM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT WOW!!!!!!! 5/13/2007 9:54:12 PM |
Toms House All American 4464 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I assume this has been brought up, but HBO might do a spin off on Chris." |
It would have to be like Cleaver then! 5/13/2007 10:00:30 PM |
coppertop wolpfack! 1803 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, no spin off on chris now! Wow, I can't believe he killed him! I think it was more of a saving him from himself situation...
Poor paulie, no body was at his wake... And fuckin Phil!! What a little bitch I hope tony kills him or at least gets somebody to do it... 5/13/2007 10:06:57 PM |
kiljadn All American 44690 Posts user info edit post |
didn't see that shit coming
especially since Christopher up and blasted that dude last week out of nowhere 5/13/2007 10:08:08 PM |
Duck All American 4708 Posts user info edit post |
what the fuck just happened? I miss TEN FUCKING MINUTES and all of this goes down. I didn't get to see it...rewatch at 12.
damn, now i hope AJ doesn't die, but FUCK i didn't expect to see Christopher go like that 5/13/2007 10:39:06 PM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
yeah that was crazy. i liked chris, but there's only 3 episodes left anyway so i imagine he won't be the last of the major characters to get whacked. 5/14/2007 2:29:14 AM |
jcgolden Suspended 1394 Posts user info edit post |
that beer is too dark to be a rolling rock 5/14/2007 2:54:40 AM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "WARNING: This column contains major plot spoilers for last night's "Sopranos" episode.
It's not Vegas. It's Hell.
It may not seem that way to Tony right now. He's high on life, winning big at the casino tables for the first time in forever. He has a gorgeous stripper on his arms and an even more beautiful desert vista before him. When he collapses on the casino floor in a fit of giggles, it's the happiest we've ever seen him, and even that's quickly surpassed by the image of him giving a victory salute to the desert sun.
But all that joy comes with the roughest butcher's bill of the series. Tony's this ecstatic because he just killed Christopher.
Coming as suddenly (and as early in the episode) as it did, Chris' demise at Tony's hands was one of the series' most stunning moments, but it was also foreshadowed throughout last week's episode. Tony was separating himself from Chris, Chris was falling off the wagon and getting into his revenge fantasies again, and Tony was even singing the lyrics to Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb." The same song happens to be playing on Christopher's car stereo at the moment of the crash that inspires Tony to murder him. (The lyrics as Tony realizes Chris is high: "I cannot put my finger on it now / The child is grown / The dream is gone.")
"Comfortably Numb" might have made a better episode title than "Kennedy and Heidi" (a joking reference to the two girls whose car Chris nearly ran into, causing the accident), as that sums up Tony's attitude throughout it.
His eyes are flat and lifeless as he smothers Chris to death, taking advantage of a golden opportunity to remove a threat to his freedom. His only reaction to the grief of Carmela and Kelli and Chris' mother -- grief he created directly -- is irritation, and after he gets taken on one guilt trip too many, he packs his bags for Las Vegas and floats through the rest of the episode, self-medicating with wine, pot and, eventually, peyote.
Surprisingly for an episode that spent half its time with Tony staying in a hotel and had him taking hallucinogens, the only actual dream sequence appears early on, as Tony imagines confessing his past killings to Dr. Melfi. (The dream turns out to be a useful rehearsal, as he later recreates most of his dialogue from it in less self-incriminating fashion.) But the entire episode had the air of a dream, or of alterna-Tony's trip to the Purgatory (or fantasy, or alternate universe, or whatever it was) of Costa Mesa.
Only this time, the imagery wasn't of Limbo, but the hotter place. After Tony vomits up the peyote, he and Chris' old stripper friend Sonya (Sarah Shahi from "The L Word") head down to the casino floor, where he's transfixed by a cartoon devil's head on a slot machine. (It's a smiling devil, of course, because right now Tony's enjoying his descent.) After breaking his losing streak at the roulette table, Tony takes Sonya for a trip into the desert where the rising sun casts everything in a crimson glow. When the red sun flares at Tony for a second, it resembles the white Costa Mesa beacon, which seemed to signify Heaven.
Moments before the crash, Chris reminds Tony of the "every day a gift" talk he was throwing around after emerging from the Costa Mesa coma. Turns out Tony really has changed, but not for the better. Instead of stopping to smell the roses, he's grown colder, more paranoid, quicker on the trigger. When Tony felt he had to kill Pussy and Tony B. -- for reasons far more pressing than here -- he stalled as long as possible. When he realizes Chris will forever be a drug-addled liability to him, Tony barely hesitates before clamping his hand over Chris' nose and mouth.
Everyone is a threat to him now, garbage to be disposed of just like the asbestos one of Tony's guys spent most of the hour trying to unload. Asbestos, of course, is hard to get rid of completely, and Chris' presence in Tony's life no doubt will linger, even if it's just as evidence of how little humanity Tony has left.
In contrast to Tony's non-response to Chris' murder, we have A.J. retreating back into his depressed shell upon realizing what he was becoming by hanging with the Jasons. He could go along with being a budding sociopath for a while, laughing at the misery of the kid whose toes got amputated after Jason Parisi's acid bath. But deep down, A.J. still has a conscience, something his old man said goodbye to a long time ago. Tony responds to hitting rock bottom as a human being by going to Vegas, having sex and getting high. A.J. responds to the same by going about in pity for himself and raging against the meaningless violence in the world. (A.J. being A.J., though, he quotes Rodney King's "Can't we all just get along?" like it's the most profound thought he's ever had. In fairness, it probably is.)
Several times in the episode, Tony makes reference to the smashed infant car seat in the back of Chris' car. Privately, he's trying to justify the murder of his surrogate son as something other than nuisance-removal. Given how Tony has been behaving all season, I believe he would have killed Chris, car seat or no. But it wouldn't be the first time Tony's thoughts have turned to murder at the notion of innocents being killed. See his reactions to Ralphie and Tracee, Ralphie and Pie-O-My, Chris sitting on Adriana's dog, etc.
And yet the innocent creatures he has always felt most protective of are his damn ducks, and I distinctly heard a quacking sound as the asbestos was being dumped in the water at the end of the episode. Tony probably had no idea where exactly the stuff would get dumped, or what wildlife would be affected, but at this point I don't think he'd care. He's in Hell, and Hell is no place for happy ducks.
Some other thoughts on "Kennedy and Heidi":
-Chris wasn't the only significant death, as Paulie's mother/aunt Nucci died of a stroke (on the way back from seeing "Jersey Boys," of course), giving Paulie the unusual opportunity to act jealous of a dead man. He went so far as to clock the amount of time certain people visited Nucci's wake before heading over to Chris's.
-The only people who seem happier about Chris' death than Tony were Phil and Butchie, who were practically giggling as Phil gave Tony his condolences. These guys are like predators toying with their weaker prey.
-Wiseguys are no good with natural death (or what they think is natural death), are they? The small talk around Tony's bed was beyond clumsy.
-A side benefit of the Vegas trip for Tony: for a few days, he gets to become Chris, taking drugs and sleeping with one of his women, when he could never seal the deal with Adriana or Julianna, for one reason or another, when Chris was alive.
-Does anybody in the business play grief better than Edie Falco? Carm's reaction to Chris' death was almost as devastating as her hallway crying jag in the first Costa Mesa episode. Almost as brilliant, in a different way, was her delivery of the line about Julianna -- who reeked of mistress to Carm -- being a good-looking woman. (Imagine how cold Carm would have been if she knew Tony almost slept with Julianna, too.)" |
http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/05/sopranos_rewind_kennedy_and_he.html#more5/14/2007 7:46:08 AM |
Cif82 All American 10455 Posts user info edit post |
This episode brought back the light motif that was used when Tony was shot by Junior (lighthouse, helicopter, hospital light when he woke up, etc.) but we see it in the car's headlights, bathroom light, and sunrise. Does Tony really believe everything is okay now? I think this is foreshadowing Tony is going to make it out of the series intact. Or at the very least he's gonna stick it to Phil next week.
^ im glad I wasn't stretching on the light motif.
[Edited on May 14, 2007 at 7:52 AM. Reason : fefefefefefef] 5/14/2007 7:49:49 AM |
SipnOnSyzurp All American 8923 Posts user info edit post |
fucking stellar episode
that article is right, carm's acting is always on point in these situations
the best part is tony's quote: "It's the same principle as the solar system..." about the roulette wheel
sad to see chrissy go, though. he was one of my favorite characters, addiction and all
remember his speech after livia died? one of the funniest moments of the series 5/14/2007 11:47:34 AM |
Cif82 All American 10455 Posts user info edit post |
Sopranos has the most heart-wrenching deaths. I couldn't believe I'm watching Chris cough up blood as Tony holds his nose. That's just fucking cold. My favorite death was Eugene hanging himself at the beginning of Season 6. He just got turned down by the FBI with a chance of moving to Florida and was staring at a picture of his family and then out of nowhere you hear the noise of the him moving the chair he's standing on back and forth. 5/14/2007 12:04:39 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
chris is going to come back with a cleaver for a hand and kill off everyone. 5/14/2007 1:16:13 PM |
mrlebowski All American 9310 Posts user info edit post |
looks like cleaver wasn't that far fetched after all 5/14/2007 1:29:17 PM |
brownie27 All American 3030 Posts user info edit post |
yea, my jaw hit the floor.... i was literally in shock for like 10 minutes after
and the whole time though, i was like this is exactly what tony wanted 5/14/2007 1:33:42 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
^^Tony got back at chris for all the cheap shots at the boss in "Cleaver". He killed Chris, even though he had saved his life on at least 2 occasions before the movie - probably more. He then went out and fucked Chris' friend in vegas, even though he never got the chance with Adrianna or the junkie real estate agent.
I bet we get to see in the next episode how the death of Chris fucked up the RICO case that the feds were developing through the arabs. 5/14/2007 2:02:53 PM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
yeah i was thinking that chris was going to get pinched for selling shit to the arabs and then he was gonna be given the chance to turn that he was looking for anyway.
rat on tony, witness protection program, revenge/freedom.
sucks to see chris go, but tony knew what was up. it was him or chris. 5/14/2007 2:06:27 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
chris wouldn't have had to rat tony out. tony openly admitted to knowing that chris and the arabs were doing business, and he provided a phone number to the FBI to corroborate that. Now that Chris is gone, it would be hard for them to build a case against Tony because they can't build the initial case against Chris. 5/14/2007 2:11:28 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
when he hit on 24 a 2nd time i was lovin it 5/14/2007 2:12:21 PM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
it was just like the dude from twilight zone they mentioned in the hesh episode. after he died he was in a casino and won every time and then he got tired of "heaven" and asked to be sent to the other place before being told "this is the other place".
i love the write-ups this guy does of the episodes. it makes them even more enjoyable to watch. 5/14/2007 2:17:48 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
I need to get me some peyote.
5/14/2007 2:49:51 PM |
joe17669 All American 22728 Posts user info edit post |
can someone please refresh my mind as to what the rico case is? thx 5/14/2007 7:21:05 PM |
mootduff All American 1462 Posts user info edit post |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act 5/14/2007 7:49:03 PM |
optmusprimer All American 30318 Posts user info edit post |
Chris had all kinds of great quotes (or misquotes) in the series, I think his first was when he was sent to "meet" with a polish guy named Emil and he kept calling him "Email". 5/14/2007 9:18:50 PM |
pablo_price All American 5628 Posts user info edit post |
it was great seeing paulie realizing what a bastard he had been to christopher, then 10 minutes later he's bitching that no one came to his mother's wake 5/14/2007 10:05:45 PM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
that beatdown they gave to that African kid was straight out of:
5/14/2007 11:16:23 PM |
buddha1747 All American 5067 Posts user info edit post |
didnt Tony say something like "I'm all prostate?" 5/14/2007 11:43:13 PM |
qosafoonir Veteran 156 Posts user info edit post |
I actually was in tears when Christopher died...like i lost a good friend of 7 years..and again when Tony was trippin at the casino..priceless
By far the best episode in a while 5/15/2007 12:41:39 AM |
Cif82 All American 10455 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "By far the best episode in a while" |
So Sopranos has been a total disappointment this season then? I've only seen one average episode since it came back on.5/15/2007 12:49:09 AM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
^i don't think so.
i have enjoyed every episode of the series. some people grow impatient if an episode isn't jam-packed with violence and murder, but i appreciate all the symbolic aspects of the show and just the real-life situations that are addressed. i think if every show was nothing but the mob violence aspect it wouldn't have made it as long as it did. 5/15/2007 1:34:29 AM |
HUR All American 17732 Posts user info edit post |
i thought it was kind of lame how chris kicked the bucket 5/15/2007 2:39:17 AM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
I think too many people are expecting this to end with an all-out mob war. 5/15/2007 12:50:35 PM |
arog20012001 All American 10023 Posts user info edit post |
^I'm expecting more of a depressing "life goes on" type of ending
oh and, good-cot-damn...
[Edited on May 15, 2007 at 1:13 PM. Reason : ,] 5/15/2007 1:02:58 PM |
thegoodguy All American 1118 Posts user info edit post |
Here's another episode 18 analysis...
http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2007/05/sopranos-mondays-season-six-ep-18-heidi.html 5/15/2007 4:27:18 PM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
now that was a damn good read... 5/15/2007 4:45:21 PM |