"the only reason CS was suspicious of the packaging was because she was black. black people have it so hard."

9/7/2007 11:49:36 AM

Quote :

"They take your drivers license number when you make a return/exchange just in case you're cheating them. "

Actually, thats a method which was designed to cut down on internal theft, ie a employee taking an item from the shelf and returning it.

9/7/2007 12:37:57 PM

1337b4k4 your a fucking idiot
charged for wasting the cops time?
what the fuck are you talking about?

if i call the police, they come over and harass me, or ask me to do something that i think is a violation of my rights, or i just plain do not want to cooperate past what i am legally required to do, guess what? I don't have to.

Thank god you don't make our laws. Your an idiot.

9/7/2007 3:49:37 PM

http://www.michaelrighi.com/2007/09/20/success/

the final outcome and explanation

9/21/2007 12:28:09 PM

All charges dropped in exchange for Righi not suing.
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1190278957130100.xml&coll=2

9/21/2007 12:28:20 PM

^lies--no, really

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 12:33 PM. Reason : well, "mischaracterization" might be a better word...]

9/21/2007 12:29:34 PM

^^ old dude is pissed at that article, tried to spin it like he was in the wrong and attributed quotes to him that he did not say

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 12:36 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2007 12:35:54 PM

As to the people who say he was just doing this to get money, he's ended up giving the $5k and change donated to the Ohio ACLU.

9/21/2007 12:42:58 PM

When I first saw the "DON'T TASE ME, BRO" guy, I thought of this.

They're the same sort of douche.

9/21/2007 12:55:00 PM

^agree 100%

9/21/2007 2:16:13 PM

i have a lot more respect for this guy after reading his webpage
http://www.michaelrighi.com/2007/09/20/success/

he's actually thought through the constitutional and legal aspects of this quite a bit. and he's right. like most states, Ohio has written in their legal code that if you're not driving a car, you dont have to present any formal identification to an officer. unless you're being arrested, then its a moot point. .

i dont think he's at all comparable to that Don't Tase me Bro fucknut. that dude was a conspiracy theory moonbat, waving his little book around and all that shit.

9/21/2007 8:11:27 PM

^
I'm with Joe on this. Asserting your rights in the face of authority is quite anti-douchery.

Those in gov't authority positions granted with power to use deadly force should have a pretty expert knowledge on the law.

Quote :

"I do not believe that Officer Arroyo is a bad person, and other than my arrest I have no reason to believe that he is a bad police officer. I think that Officer Arroyo was embarrassed and insulted when I refused to obey his unlawful command, and I think that he was not familiar enough with Ohio State law. Hopefully this incident will make him more knowledgeable about the law and more understanding of others in the future who choose to assert their rights."

9/21/2007 10:35:45 PM

It seems kind of douchey to me for him to call the police for help, then refuse to cooperate with them when they get there.

9/22/2007 12:05:02 AM

^ yeah, that was exactly my initial reaction, and i posted something to that effect early in the thread.

now that i actually read the guy's explanation of what he was doing, it's clear to me that he wasnt just a douchebag looking to cause trouble.

he's actually onto an important issue... related to how we understand what it means to live in a society of laws that protect civil liberties, rather than empowering the police state to engage in arbitrary search and seizures.

9/22/2007 12:16:17 AM

I don't disagree with what he did. I think he has a valid point that people should understand (that most people won't thanks to the media, unless they read his blog).

However, that doesn't mean, to me, that he shouldn't be called a douche. If it wasn't for that one point, I think I could defend him from being called a douchebag.

9/22/2007 12:35:30 AM

Quote :

"It seems kind of douchey to me for him to call the police for help, then ..."

but you see, he wasnt necessarily calling the police to "help" him. he was calling them because he was being illegally detained by a private security team, and it was his only recourse.

when the police arrived, rather than assessing the situation according to the law (which says that non-membership stores can not detain customers against their will)... the cop treated him like a suspect by demanding his drivers license (which is unlawful, according to state law), then arresting him for, essentially, being an advocate for his Constitutional right (Fourth Amendment) to be protected from unnecessary search and seizure.

on the one hand it seems kind of douchey to talk about this in the context of Circuit City receipt checkers, but really, these are fundamental rights being eroded in favor of an overreaching (and increasingly militarized) police state.

9/22/2007 1:38:50 AM

Quote :

"these are fundamental rights being eroded in favor of an overreaching (and increasingly militarized) police state. "

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9/22/2007 11:50:47 AM

Quote :

"It seems kind of douchey to me for him to call the police for help, then refuse to cooperate with them when they get there."

it's not douchey to refuse to obey an illegal order

9/22/2007 5:13:42 PM

^^ o my, feeling a little defensive?

9/22/2007 5:22:16 PM

Quote :

"he was calling them because he was being illegally detained by a private security team, and it was his only recourse. "

So how does this fit in with the airlines illegally detaining passengers for 10+ hours in an airplane? That still seems to be okay for some reason.

[Edited on September 22, 2007 at 8:28 PM. Reason : -]

9/22/2007 8:27:59 PM

^
Airline travel is heavily controlled by the federal gov't these-days.

Walking out of a store is still pretty wide-open.

What would it hurt for the police chief to apologize for the illegal arrest?

9/22/2007 11:15:03 PM

What would it hurt for the police chief not to apologize?

Its some petty shit.

9/23/2007 12:02:09 AM

Quote :

"So how does this fit in with the airlines illegally detaining passengers for 10+ hours in an airplane? That still seems to be okay for some reason."

well for starters, the Federal Aviation Administration doesn't have jurisdiction at Circuit City.




wait....

you weren't being serious were you?

9/23/2007 12:07:22 AM