can we ban smelly indians from riding the wolfline also?? i find their smell more offensive than that of chain smokers.

10/29/2007 12:44:41 PM

that reminds me.

two people at work alternately keep cooking shit like asparagus or curry tofu in the microwave in our very small satellite office.

stinks up the place.

i'ma start a voter initiative to ban stinky lunches.

10/29/2007 2:45:56 PM

As long as http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_143/GS_143-601.html holds up, us smokers will be safe smoking outside.

10/30/2007 4:12:18 AM

Yeah, this smoking ban is unlawful. And a bit silly.

10/30/2007 8:59:09 AM

unlawful? how you figure.
what if they make a, ummm, law out of it

10/30/2007 9:18:40 AM

^^^ I applaud that law.

10/30/2007 9:33:03 AM

^^^^Considering the University of North Carolina is not a locality, that law would not apply. If the Town of Chapel Hill, Carrboro, or Orange County did, it would.

10/30/2007 9:45:16 AM

^ yup.

I like this law. Starkville MS just went smoke free in all indoor places, public and private.

Second hand smoke not only increases your chance for lung cancer, it makes you 40% more likely to develop diabetes. So lets see, for the general concern of economics and the burden of health care, this is a simple fix for others who don't choose to smoke.

10/30/2007 11:28:13 AM

Quote :

"roguewolf: Second hand smoke not only increases your chance for lung cancer, it makes you 40% more likely to develop diabetes. So lets see, for the general concern of economics and the burden of health care, this is a simple fix for others who don't choose to smoke."

What do you mean by "general concern of economics and the burden of health care?"

10/30/2007 12:20:15 PM

how about you read the sentence that you just quoted

10/30/2007 12:22:52 PM

Quote :

"Second hand smoke not only increases your chance for lung cancer, it makes you 40% more likely to develop diabetes. So lets see, for the general concern of economics and the burden of health care, this is a simple fix for others who don't choose to smoke. "

Outdoors? BULLSHIT.

Also, I'd like to take this moment to point out that you're a complete pussy for even suggesting as much.

10/30/2007 12:23:28 PM

agentlion, how bout you go fuck yourself?

10/30/2007 12:35:22 PM

smoking sucks

10/30/2007 12:58:32 PM

10/30/2007 1:20:56 PM

it feels great putting up a no smoking sign in front of a group of smokers and watching them sadly walking away

10/30/2007 1:30:15 PM

Go ahead and quit smoking. You should do it anyways, for health and hygiene reasons.

When I was a smoker, I always kind of hoped that the state would give me a compelling reason to quit smoking. I ended up quitting before that happened, but I'm sure there are other folks out there that want to quit but can't for one reason or another: maybe this new rule will force them into it.

10/30/2007 1:49:25 PM

completely not the state's job.

10/30/2007 2:06:37 PM

^agreed.

Next we need the state to close down all fast food joints. Then bring the police by to make you run at gun point. Since alot of people want to lose weight and eat better, but just need the state to give them the opportunity.

10/30/2007 7:04:21 PM

^^^^^

that advertisement is both disturbing and strangely erotic.

im thinking about starting smoking again.

Swisher Sweets, maybe.

...it could be my new thing







[Edited on October 30, 2007 at 8:36 PM. Reason : and i'll def need a hat. probably need a fedora. or better yet, a bolero. yeah... YEAH. ]

10/30/2007 8:33:31 PM

Quote :

"^agreed. Next we need the state to close down all fast food joints. Then bring the police by to make you run at gun point. Since alot of people want to lose weight and eat better, but just need the state to give them the opportunity. "

What sort of world of twisted logic do you live in where banning public smoking equates to forcing people to run and illegalizing fast food?

10/30/2007 9:39:02 PM

"Smokers Outside the Hospital Doors" by Editors

Quote :

". . .The saddest thing that I'd ever seen / Were smokers outside the hospital doors. . . ."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=blP9LWyKqzI

10/30/2007 9:52:09 PM

Mcdanger I was taking it to the next step in regards to this post:

Quote :

"When I was a smoker, I always kind of hoped that the state would give me a compelling reason to quit smoking. I ended up quitting before that happened, but I'm sure there are other folks out there that want to quit but can't for one reason or another: maybe this new rule will force them into it. "

10/30/2007 10:32:23 PM

^^The image brought me back like crazy. I remember so distinctly passing all the smoking nurses to go through that air sucking thing before officially being inside the hospital. I think that's where I picked up the habit.

[Edited on October 30, 2007 at 11:04 PM. Reason : LOL, seriously.]

10/30/2007 11:03:39 PM

^ I'm really into Editors now, and the song title certainly seemed appropriate for this thread. BTW, as an aside, I know a lot of nurses and a lot of them smoke, which is odd to me.

10/31/2007 1:00:46 AM

Quote :

" then, once we accomplish that, we will work to criminalize smoking around children, whether its in a private home, vehicle or whatever."

IMO criminalizing smoking around children should've been done first (like forty years ago). But I've ranted on this issue before ... it'll come to pass, hopefully soon.

Smoking bans are very effective and simple ways to make life just plain nicer.

I don't really get the Libertarian arguments being bandied about. Where I come from, Libertarianism as a mainstream philosophy is about expecting the Federal Government to adhere to its Constitutional prerogatives and delegate the rest of its powers to individual states. Maybe if the federal government instantiates some ban on smoking in any American city, then we can all weep, gnash teeth, etc.

As it stands -- states like California ban smoking in public and states like NC, with notable exceptions in its liberal corners, allow it. The grand system of federalism is working just fine. Hurrah!

And as to the "tyranny of the majority" arguments -- public decency laws don't constitute "tyranny." Smoking isn't an act of political speech or assembly; it's an act of consumption. I don't see how banning smoking in public is any different than, say, banning urination in public. In fact, the latter might be more palatable considering that urine is usually sterile.

[Edited on October 31, 2007 at 3:50 AM. Reason : foo]

10/31/2007 3:48:33 AM

Quote :

"I know a lot of nurses and a lot of them smoke, which is odd to me."

nursing is historically a blue collar job. 2-year trade school. you can still be an RN with a 2-yr community college degree.

its moving away from that though... more and more hospitals are requiring the 4-year university degre (the BSN), and even the advanced degree nurses like Nurse Practitioners are moving away from MSN to Doctorates.

i hate to stereotype, but the overweight, undereducated, smoking nurse tends largely to come from this 2-year "diploma nurse" background.

the "diploma nurse' vs. BSN is a huge debate with nurses, and a lot of hostility erupts everytime the issue is brought up. I think the diploma nurses are holding the entire nursing profession back as a profession. they should phase out 2-yr RN's and call them "Nursing Technicians" or something.




[Edited on October 31, 2007 at 7:27 AM. Reason : ]

10/31/2007 7:21:23 AM

While I agree with you that the training of some RN's may not quite be up to par I would argue that there is a tremendous amount of degree inflation in nursing.

For instance, check out the coursework that is required to become a nurse practitioner. It's not exactly equivalent to what physicians take in medical school and beyond into residency. Then again, would a nurse practitioner degree be enough to operate as a "doc in the box"? Maybe.

What will be interesting to me is how physician assistant(and other "physician extenders") and nurse roles will be defined in the future. What makes this really intriguing are fields like anesthesia which both nursing and medicine have had some claim to over the past.

I wouldn't put down all RN's though. There are plenty of 30+ year RN's that put BSN's to shame.

10/31/2007 8:14:45 AM

its soo much nice now that the hospital area does not smell like trashy white people.

and some blacks

but mainly whites.

10/31/2007 8:33:32 AM

Quote :

" Libertarianism as a mainstream philosophy is about expecting the Federal Government to adhere to its Constitutional prerogatives and delegate the rest of its powers to individual states."

Well I see it more as this: The role of any gov't, local or federal, is to recognize and protect the rights of the individual.

10/31/2007 10:18:10 AM

I support Bush once again on refusing to sign the children's health bill that has an additional rider attached about increasing federal tobacco tax.

I hate earmarks and riders that have no relevance to the main issue for which a bill is opposed. I do not smoke and hate to be polluted by tobacco smoke. Tobacco, however, is used as a scapegoat now in our society. People know the negative health effects of smoking. If they want to go outside and light up every 20 minutes till they die of lung cancer then more power to them.

10/31/2007 10:34:51 AM

Quote :

"For instance, check out the coursework that is required to become a nurse practitioner."

I have been. my wife is on an N.P. track.

Her Pathobiology class, for instance, is brutal. It's taught in the med school, by MDs and PhD biologists. one of the co-instructors is a neurobiologist who was in the running for the 2007 Nobel Prize. he was up late that night waiting on the call from Geneva.

anyhow, the education for DNP is equivalent to a DDS or a DO.

Quote :

"I wouldn't put down all RN's though. There are plenty of 30+ year RN's that put BSN's to shame."

i absolutely agree. thats the problem with stereotyping, theres always a number of individuals who dont fit the type.

and good experience is key no matter where you go.

but RNs are the only profession in health sciences where a 2year diploma can have the same status as 4year degree.

10/31/2007 11:20:19 AM

http://www.utmem.edu/nursing/academic%20programs/DNP/DNP%20schedules/dnpfnschedule.php


"DNP Family Nurse Practitioner Schedule

YEAR 1

FALL
NSG 911 Philosophy of Science 3(3-0)
BIOE 712 Principles of Epidemiology 3(3-0)
NSG 814 Biostatistics 3(3-0)

TOTAL 9(9-0)

SPRING
NSG 916 Concept & Theory Analysis 3(3-0)
HSA 851 Leadership and Health Policy 3(3-0)
NAPS ____ Nursing Advanced Practice Selective 4(2-2)
or required specialty equivalent
TOTAL 10(8-2)


YEAR 2

FALL
HSA 877 Health Care Economics 3(3-0)
NSG 819 Evaluation of Practice 4(4-0)
NAPS ____ Nursing Advanced Practice Selective 4(2-2)
or required specialty equivalent
TOTAL 11(9-2)

SPRING
NSG 926 Resident Practicum 6(0-6)
NSG 946 Residency Project 3(3-0)

TOTAL 9(3-6)




TOTAL NUMBER OF HOURS FOR THIS OPTION
39(29-10)"


A doctorate for this?

You're kidding yourself if you don't think this is degree inflation.

10/31/2007 11:43:35 AM

Quote :

"anyhow, the education for DNP is equivalent to a DDS or a DO."

I loled.

11/4/2007 12:11:44 PM

Quote :

"hopefully they'll ban fat people next"

11/4/2007 12:48:14 PM

Fuck UNC.

I've quit smoking, but seriously, 100 feet?

As for the WA state ban, 25 feet from any window or door is a little different from 100 feet from any building. As for the number and appearance of smokers there, it is different than here. Most tobacco farmers I've known smoked, and none of them were from anywhere near the northwest.

11/6/2007 2:52:09 AM

yeah i'm down for a ban on fatties

11/6/2007 11:14:51 AM

Your second hand fat gave me eye cancer.

11/6/2007 11:27:06 AM

Quote :

"25 feet from any window or door is a little different from 100 feet from any building"

i do agree that is excessive. punitive, even.

ive taken an inflammatory position here, partly to stir up debate, but I have to admit that even as a non-smoker i would protest that.

100 feet is kind of ridiculous.



[Edited on November 6, 2007 at 12:19 PM. Reason : ]

11/6/2007 12:19:06 PM

Quote :

"Does this mean UNC is no longer a part of Tobacco Road"

Quote :

"I BET THEY STILL SMOKE POLE AMIRITE?!?!?"

11/6/2007 12:21:12 PM

and now moving on to nc state

Quote :

"Expires: November 21, 2007 TO: NC State Faculty, Staff and Students FROM: James L. Oblinger, Chancellor SUBJECT: REVISED SMOKING REGULATIONS The North Carolina General Assembly passed legislation during their last session expressly prohibiting smoking in all State buildings, including University buildings, with limited exceptions, effective January 1, 2008. As a result, NC State is revising its smoking regulations in keeping with state legislation. Since 1993, NC State has limited indoor smoking. As part of the new regulations, outdoor smoking will be permitted beyond a 25-foot perimeter of University facilities. The appropriate dean or vice chancellor may designate a smoking area within 25 feet of a building. However, in order to grant this area for smoking, the area must be at least 25 feet from the facility's public entrances and heating/cooling/ventilation intakes. In conjunction with the new regulations, any remaining University residential facilities that currently allow smoking also will become smoke-free, beginning August 15, 2008. For more information, please see the revised regulation on the University Web site at: http://www.ncsu.edu/policies/campus_environ/health_safety_welfare/REG04.20.3.php Thank you in advance for your cooperation and commitment as the revisions go into effect on January 1, 2008."

11/21/2007 8:51:09 AM

this is going to be hard to enforce at UNC with all the flaming homos

11/21/2007 8:55:35 AM

I can understand if you are sittin in a car or a room but is someone smoking outside really that big of a deal.

11/21/2007 9:36:03 AM

you'd be surprised how quickly a gaggle of smokers can block entrances.

the other reason is that the smoke wafts in the building, and really sucks for someone whos in their office with a window open.

11/21/2007 11:35:30 AM

HOW DARE YOU GIVE ME 2ND HAND LUNG CANCER GRADUALLY OVER THE LAST 90 YEARS

11/21/2007 11:37:35 AM

whatever you say dude. smoking is being phased out to the fringes of society, and theres nothing you can do about it.

now go stand by the dumpster if youre gonna smoke that shit.

[BYE]

11/21/2007 11:44:52 AM

i normally am courteous as hell of non smokers but arrogant self-entitled shitheads like you make me want to just blow smoke right in your pretentious face

11/21/2007 11:45:59 AM

You won't do shit to anyone.

11/21/2007 11:46:43 AM

and you'll stop posting like you said you would

11/21/2007 11:52:02 AM

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11/21/2007 11:57:05 AM

cigarettes today, tomorrow its gonna be alcohol, pornography, etc.

Can we ban smelly people too. Ok cigarettes smell bad and people bitch. I hate getting on the wolfline and having a smelly person sit down next to me. I find this just as offensive as someone lighting up.

11/21/2007 12:01:47 PM