it seems like lowe is coaching every game as if we are playing against unc. we need to speed these games against inferior, more shallow teams up.

11/24/2007 11:04:19 PM

how long til you realize that an up-tempo game will not work with this team?

11/24/2007 11:08:05 PM

you know howard i agree a lot...

we look a LOT slower than we could be.... and if you rotate players like we are without running them hard... then they don't stay as loose... costner even said so after our exhibition games

PUSH THE DAMN BALL WITH OUR SPEED and acquired DEPTH

11/24/2007 11:08:48 PM

dude we're putting up 60+, 70+ and it could easily be a lot higher if we made more free throws and didn't make stupid turnovers...once we work that shit out and get some chemistry flowing this team is going to be sick. you guys are stupid if you don't see that.

11/24/2007 11:49:55 PM

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"dude we're putting up 60+, 70+ and it could easily be a lot higher if we made more free throws and didn't make stupid turnovers...once we work that shit out and get some chemistry flowing this team is going to be sick. you guys are stupid if you don't see that."

and you're stupid if you think the only problem is free throws and stupid turnovers.

Our offense is pretty much stand around and let somebody work one-on-one, whether it's Hickson in a triple team, Costner way too far from the basket shooting a tough jump shot, Grant/Degand trying to penetrate and throwing up a horrible shot, Fells shooting an off balance three pointer out of nowhere... there have been very few times where you can tell what play has been called and that it was executed correctly. I remember a couple of successful pick and rolls and a couple of back door cuts, but I mean our offense can't just be bailed out by good individual plays every single game, especially against good teams which we have yet to see. And that's just the offense... there's still the horrible man-to-man defense and the complete lack of boxing out and getting rebounds on the defensive side to worry about.

I am not doubting Lowe or our team's ability, but there are a LOT of things to work out before this team is "sick."

11/24/2007 11:55:39 PM

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"dude we're putting up 60+, 70+ and it could easily be a lot higher if we made more free throws and didn't make stupid turnovers"

It's not just points. If you look at the actual possession stats, we're among the slowest-paced teams in the country.

11/24/2007 11:58:40 PM

the way we play is the recipe we used in teh acc tourney last year. its great if the other team has a lot more depth and wants to run (unv, uva and vt last year) but it sucks if you're trying to beat a team you are actually better than. It gives the game more of a chance to be close. we need to run crazy, sure we will turn the ball over more but if the game has an extra 15 possessions we will eventually wear them down.

right now we might as well be running the princeton.

11/25/2007 12:00:11 AM

turnovers and shot selection are the most important things. And free throws down the stretch are going to win or lose us quite a few games.

11/25/2007 12:00:27 AM

wow look at all of these acc caliber coaches we have on tww



i'm pretty sure sid and his staff know the players' strengths/weaknesses and what kind of system suits them better than anyone on here

11/25/2007 12:09:04 AM

with all that experience he has

11/25/2007 1:04:05 AM

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"the way we play is the recipe we used in teh acc tourney last year."

The last two games have been tournament play, so perhaps that accounts for our slow pace thus far.

11/25/2007 2:17:14 AM

uno game was even slower.

11/25/2007 2:55:29 AM

credibility for a point guard that won a national championship for this very school? i'm not saying lowe is GOD like in his perfection of coaching but...

1) let this young team play some games. all in all the preseason doesn't mean shit if you don't perform regular season. give it time. jeez, didn't any of you even watch last season and how we got better with time?

2) fuck you rallydurham for even making this thread, these issues could easily be discussed in per/game threads. seriously, what an idiot for judging so harshly 1 loss on a team that made us more than happy last year

11/25/2007 11:10:24 AM

^ Fuck you, we went 5-11 last year. He got a free pass becasue we didn't have a PG or depth. Now we have both and its clear Sid has a lot to work to do.

This team is not giving anyone the business right now.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 1:28 PM. Reason : a]

11/25/2007 1:27:58 PM

^ young team. no experience at PG. Non-stable starting lineup. You have to give Sid and the team some time to figure out the line-up and rotation. 4 games isn't enough to do that, especially when you are playing subpar teams. Though it's no excuse to lose to these teams, but shit happens. I say by 10 games in, all this will be sorted out, and well be winning big

11/25/2007 1:58:18 PM

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"fuck you rallydurham for even making this thread, these issues could easily be discussed in per/game threads. seriously, what an idiot for judging so harshly 1 loss on a team that made us more than happy last year"

/thread. idiots like rally give state fans a bad name. deservedly so.

11/25/2007 2:02:42 PM

Well, he's right. Anyone happy with 2 NIT wins is delusional. I was, though, satisfied with the team. Making the NIT is nothing to be happy about. The early returns this year have been below expectations and that is the truth. No one is saying fire him or that he isn't the right guy for the job... we just want our own expectations to be met.

If you don't want your expectations to be met, then that's your deal... don't criticize the people who do.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 2:06 PM. Reason : x]

11/25/2007 2:06:14 PM

well the way i look at is he's still got 3 more losses in his back pocket that he can use at any time.

11/25/2007 2:09:04 PM

Being happy with those wins last year was not delusional, in fact, it was great that we made it that far. As for this season and the future, it is.

It's important for our expectations to be met (NCAA tourney, etc), but you have to understand that it takes time to build a program, and that with no experience at PG, we aren't going to be great at the start.

11/25/2007 2:10:58 PM

lock this dumbass thread


you stupid fucking state fans wanting to argue all the time. rediculous

11/25/2007 2:13:17 PM

isn't grace a girl's name?

11/25/2007 2:13:50 PM

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"but you have to understand that it takes time to build a program"

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"but you have to understand that it takes time to build a program"

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"but you have to understand that it takes time to build a program"

god you guys are so retarded. HAR HAR LETS RUN HIM OUTTA HERE! Bunch of damn idiots.

11/25/2007 2:29:18 PM

It does not fucking take time to build a program.

That is the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard. This isn't fucking football this is basketball.

How long did it take Memphis, UNC, UCLA to get going after they got their guy.

He's already had a year that IS time.

I like Sidney Lowe, remember you stupid fucks were the ones criticizing his hiring from the get-go. Hell, you were criticizing the coaching search before we even had a list of goddam names sorted through.

Its put up or shut up time for Lowe. Sure, he's going to lose a few here and there but no more bullshit. We already lost to UNO that should have been a wake up call but clearly it wasn't.

The ACC sucks this year and we need to take advantage of that since we have a monster team.

One great way to take advantage would be to get their asses in gear and park the trash (Ferguson) on the bench where it belongs.

We need to win basketball games, period.

Right now we look like a bubble team. We should DEFINITELY be a top 25 team based on our talent and experience.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 2:34 PM. Reason : a]

11/25/2007 2:33:55 PM

11/25/2007 2:35:06 PM

You aren't getting the point that I LIKE Sidney Lowe and believe he will do it. But if you aren't going to criticize three straight piss poor performances then what was the point of running off Sendek? If we wanted shit play we had the master of it already signed and delivered.

11/25/2007 2:36:25 PM

i wasn't at you in particular but just the whole thread

11/25/2007 2:37:21 PM

11/25/2007 2:37:49 PM

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"god you guys are so retarded. HAR HAR LETS RUN HIM OUTTA HERE! Bunch of damn idiots."

Who said that? I would think that someone calling another person retarded would at least have the fundamental ability to comprehend what another person is saying... you clearly don't.

My point is that I see NOTHING wrong with criticizing a coach, especially one who hasn't accomplished anything like K or Roy has to this point. I think he eventually can, given our resources and what I hope his coaching ability will be.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 2:40 PM. Reason : x]

11/25/2007 2:39:49 PM

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"Well, he's right. Anyone happy with 2 NIT wins is delusional. I was, though, satisfied with the team. Making the NIT is nothing to be happy about. The early returns this year have been below expectations and that is the truth. No one is saying fire him or that he isn't the right guy for the job... we just want our own expectations to be met. If you don't want your expectations to be met, then that's your deal... don't criticize the people who do."

come on guys, NyM needs his expectations met. he probably knows more about the team personnel, chemistry, expectations, etc. than Sidney Lowe. he's just being a true fan and expecting 30 point wins from game one.

seriously though , he'll be eatingadick once this team gets rolling.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 3:10 PM. Reason : sorry, but fuck your expectations, why can't you just sit back and watch lowe do his thing?]

11/25/2007 3:03:00 PM

Sweet. Another person who can't read. Please show me where I said that I don't think the team can meet expectations? Please show me where I said I'd be disappointed if we develop into a great team? Please show me where I said I expected 30 point wins every game?

You know what I do expect? NC State to beat a mid-level Sun Belt team, at home. I don't think that is too high an expectation. I also expect a NCAA tournament team. Again, I don't think that is too high.

When will you fucks will it through your head that criticizing the team or a player or a coach doesn't mean I am rooting against them or don't think they can improve. It's a simple observation. If you want no conversation about the team or everyone to agree go talk to yourself in the mirror.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 3:11 PM. Reason : x]

11/25/2007 3:10:27 PM

^see edit

i just don't like the negativity, i don't expect us to lose to UNO either but we needed the reality check, we'll be straight. i just look at the improvement of last year's team over the season and see no reason why this team won't improve the same way.

in order for this conversation/board/thread to work we need haters like you, and people who see things through NC State colored glasses like myself. we're not idiots, we just look at things differently and balance each other out.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 3:17 PM. Reason : ...]

11/25/2007 3:11:16 PM

^^Sidney Lowe beat the most talented UNC team I've ever seen and nearly won the ACC tournament with no depth, a hobbled point guard and a walk-on. The man can coach. Quit bitching about one flukey game.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 3:53 PM. Reason : .]

11/25/2007 3:52:47 PM

Lol, you call that a fluky loss but ignore the fact the premise of your post centers around a fluke win.

This team needs to perform, period.

11/25/2007 4:00:02 PM

I also said nearly winning the ACC tournament, which took 3 wins (one over Duke, one over UVA and one over VA Tech for the third time) and we nearly beat UNC a second time so you've got no claim that it was a fluke. UNC played well and shot a good percentage. We just played better and led for most of the game. We led for nearly the entire UNO game and would have won had it not been for a series of the most boneheaded fouls I've ever seen and an improbable banked 3 pointer in the final seconds of the game.


[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 4:16 PM. Reason : .]

11/25/2007 4:03:37 PM

I give Lowe a lot of credit for what he did with an undermanned team last year. But he essentially did nothing different than dozens of mid major teams who pull off a couple big upsets a year. Competing with limited talent is completely different than dominating with superior talent. The latter is what we should be doing this year and so far, it hasn't happened. I have all the faith in the world that he can turn it around, but I'm not going to use last year's success to justify mediocrity this year. This team needs to get it together, and soon.

11/25/2007 4:16:44 PM

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"Sidney Lowe beat the most talented UNC team I've ever seen"

this is why people who started watching basketball in 2006 shouldn't try to argue.

11/25/2007 4:20:02 PM

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"I give Lowe a lot of credit for what he did with an undermanned team last year. But he essentially did nothing different than dozens of mid major teams who pull off a couple big upsets a year. Competing with limited talent is completely different than dominating with superior talent. The latter is what we should be doing this year and so far, it hasn't happened. I have all the faith in the world that he can turn it around, but I'm not going to use last year's success to justify mediocrity this year. This team needs to get it together, and soon. "

exactly

11/25/2007 4:24:24 PM

RALLYDURHAM,

The entire point of this thread is based on your being pissed off over one loss.

/thread

11/25/2007 4:43:00 PM

WTF IS THIS SHIT


lolerskate alert

11/25/2007 7:20:53 PM

I mean, I can understand the reasoning for this conservative bullshit. Like all about two of our players are turnover machines and Lowe probably doesn't trust them to just get out and run because they'll probably make retarded decisions. However, we're turning the ball over and making retarded decisions anyway. At least if we're running, we'll get a couple easy baskets out of it.

11/25/2007 7:29:16 PM

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"At least if we're running, we'll get a couple easy baskets out of it."

or maybe we'll never even get a shot attempt

11/25/2007 7:31:35 PM

Great team EFFORT tonight but poor execution.

I will give Sid a lot of credit for not playing the scrubs tonight.

Still a LOT of work to do, we look like a team that is going to win/lose close games all year regardless of our opponent.

Step it up, Sid.

11/25/2007 9:04:22 PM

SIDNEY LOWE DRIBBLE PENETRATION DEFENSE CREDIBILITY WATCH

11/25/2007 9:06:29 PM

OH THERE YOU ARE RALLYDURHAM

I NOTICED SOMEBODY WAS MISSING FROM THE OTHER THREAD

11/25/2007 9:06:39 PM

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"baby steps. he didn't put ferguson in the game. next step: teach guys how to box out "

uhhhh

11/25/2007 9:07:40 PM

are you kidding you stupid motherfucker? If the refs don't botch that call at the end we lose the game despite the fact we outshot the living shit out of them.

Know basketball first, then try to converse about it.


We got an ugly win which at this point I'll take. What I won't take is 8-8 in the conference which we are right on track for if we play at this level. Gain some perspective.

11/25/2007 9:08:55 PM

no one gives a shit about what you think.

11/25/2007 9:10:05 PM

whatever homo, for the past 5 years the majority here thought Sendek was a good coach because they'd never seen anything else.

11/25/2007 9:11:30 PM

this team's got problems, that's no secret.

11/25/2007 9:12:30 PM

We won despite playing like shit. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Can't believe our starting PG shoots free throws worse than Shaq

11/25/2007 9:13:46 PM