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3/20/2008 9:03:47 AM

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"say they change the law to let CHL holders carry in banks...will this create a rise in bank robberies or gun violence at banks?"

Of course not, because there'll be so many other future heroes to save the bank! DUH

3/20/2008 9:34:10 AM

All of the opponents to this seem to be talking about if guns are good or bad, but no one has addressed the real issue; what makes a university different than the street right beside it?

3/20/2008 10:13:54 AM

^^ i didnt ask that. i asked if there would be an increase in bank robberies/gun violence in banks due to this. can you answer that please?

3/20/2008 10:34:56 AM

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"All of the opponents to this seem to be talking about if guns are good or bad, but no one has addressed the real issue; what makes a university different than the street right beside it?"

It's a public institution along similar lines to courthouses (though not exactly the same). A private college could decide to allow weapons on campus without any problems. I suggest you go there, Duke would love your money.

3/20/2008 10:38:26 AM

so is McDonalds.

3/20/2008 10:41:07 AM

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"It's a public institution"

That line is usually used for the liberalization of laws, not the constriction of them.

3/20/2008 10:44:49 AM

EDUCATE THEM EARLY

3/20/2008 11:31:28 AM

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"It's a public institution "

Being that it's a public institution, shouldn't your constitutional rights apply even more so?

3/20/2008 12:41:50 PM

Like your right to bring a gun into the courthouse?

Oh wa--

3/20/2008 12:42:49 PM

DESERT EAGLES IN THE CITY

3/20/2008 12:47:47 PM

Also, didn't somebody say something about the possibility that CCW holders might still be carrying on campus even though it's against the law?

I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL RESPONSIBLE LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS WHO ARE SMART AND LAW-ABIDING AND NOT LIKE THE CRAZIES THAT ARE ALL GOING TO KILL US

THEYRE GOING TO KILL US ALL

3/20/2008 12:52:20 PM

that was me.

and i was saying that there are people, not specifically holders, who are probably already walking around campus with guns concealed. specially after what has happened.

i know for a fact a few people who have them in their cars that part on campus.

3/20/2008 12:56:49 PM

CCW holder:

3/20/2008 1:02:42 PM

Ahhhh, ya got us. Real world data obviously can't compete with a fictional character.

3/20/2008 1:06:10 PM

So are Duke and UNC involved in this protest?

3/20/2008 1:12:11 PM

Those of you organizing this should email Anonymous.

I hear they're quite happy to take up vacuous causes.

3/20/2008 1:34:41 PM

APPARENTLY YOU HAVENT LOOKED AT THE DATA


[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 1:37 PM. Reason : v]

3/20/2008 1:36:13 PM

Hmm, let me get right on that.

3/20/2008 1:40:31 PM

I'm waiting on the response as to whether UNC or Duke has checked in on this intellectual cause.

3/20/2008 1:52:05 PM

i've joined this organization, seems pretty legit to me. hope it goes through

3/20/2008 2:13:00 PM

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"Let's see... 2 that are easy for everyone here to recognize that MAY have easily been prevented by a student with a CCW permit.... VT & UNC"

I don't even need to read anything you wrote after this line. That says it all.

First. anyone with a CCW would have been too afraid to do anything about it. All of you just want to carry guns on campus because you think its your only shot at getting laid. Unless someone that has combat experience or training there is no chance that anyone with a CCW would take a stand instead of run.

Second. I think you meant VT and the other school from up north (don't remember the name). UNC hasn't had an on-campus shooting that I can recall.

Third. This isn't a war zone. Civilians using guns for anything but recreational use. I.e. hunting, target practice is a horrible idea. This isn't the wild wild west. We have a police force now.

^^UNC and Duke don't have nearly as many hillbilly rednecks enrolled.

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2008 2:44:07 PM

I signed up with concealedcampus.org
I believe that I (anybody) should be allowed to carry if they have their CCW. It is a public place.

I also disagree with the fact that CCW carriers would run away, and that only former military personel and police would stand their ground.

There are good sumaritan laws that require you to help if you can.

3/20/2008 2:55:44 PM

^^ ahhh yes the police force that kept the murders at VT and NIU from happening

im still awaiting the answer to my question...in case you forgot: f there would be an increase in bank robberies/gun violence in banks due to this? can you answer that please?

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 2:56 PM. Reason : ^^]

3/20/2008 2:56:32 PM

It is quite amazing that all the trolls (Stein, MrScrumples, Golovko, SkankinMonky) can't come up with a shred of evidence for any argument they make. Hell even their logic is faulty, but that's ok, I love watching them try to form a coherent thought. It makes me laugh.

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"UNC hasn't had an on-campus shooting that I can recall."

nope they just had a guy drive his SUV through a busy area (similar to our brickyard) and tried to kill students. i'd consider a 3 ton self propelled bullet something of a menace. there are more of those than guns, so why don't we ban cars too? that would make ME feel safer.

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"Unless someone that has combat experience or training there is no chance that anyone with a CCW would take a stand instead of run."

How pray tell would you run while trapped in a classroom with a not so rational gunman? i.e. chicago, VA tech?

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"We have a police force now."

That's great. What else do you have that might add to your argument? I have a tennis ball. Now what?

3/20/2008 3:03:47 PM

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"Unless someone that has combat experience or training there is no chance that anyone with a CCW would take a stand instead of run."

You'd be surprised at how little you fear the first time you do something remarkably dangerous . . . your brain doesn't usually process it until it is over.

3/20/2008 3:07:18 PM

you all sound like really dumb hicks desperate to be a hero in a situation you'll probably never experience and if you did you'd be under your desk or running through the brick yard along side everyone else. guns or no guns.

anything you say in defense of carrying weapons on campus is ignorant.

3/20/2008 3:11:23 PM

Me? I'm speaking from personal experience. Dumb hick or not.

3/20/2008 3:12:23 PM

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"you all sound like really dumb hicks desperate to be a hero in a situation you'll probably never experience and if you did you'd be under your desk or running through the brick yard along side everyone else. guns or no guns. anything you say in defense of carrying weapons on campus is ignorant."

This whole entire post is ignorant. Right, everyone who believes in CCW on campus is a hick.
I'm sure the members that are law enforcement, and those that are military, and those that have combat training are all hicks too for supporting this idea.

Everything you don't post, because you have no evidence of your comments, is ignorant.

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2008 3:13:50 PM

I think we should all be allowed to carrying around SAM's too, you know, just incase we're near a building and a planes trying to crash into it. We could all be heroes! Just think of the lives we could save!

^law enforcement have guns already. Thats their job. Not yours.

Where's your evidence? I haven't seen a shred of evidence indicating that guns on campus is a good idea. Meanwhile we have a long list of shootings that indicate guns in the hands of civilians is a bad idea.

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2008 3:14:05 PM

^again, retarded, over-generalized, ass-hat-edness.


What about all the people who are in the military who are in school. Argueably, they have more training than the police. Shouldn't they be allowed to protect themselves in need arrises?

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 3:16 PM. Reason : ?]

3/20/2008 3:15:34 PM

^again, you're too dense to know better.

3/20/2008 3:16:18 PM

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"law enforcement have guns already. Thats their job. Not yours"

criminals also have guns...its their job to rob law abiding citizens and shoot some of them for fun...good thing law enforcement can be in all different places at all different times to protect us

3/20/2008 3:17:32 PM

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"I haven't seen a shred of evidence indicating that guns on campus is a good idea. Meanwhile we have a long list of shootings that indicate guns in the hands of civilians is a bad idea."

Guns in the hands of crazy people, who aren't legaly allowed to carry them is a bad idea. Have you read any of the provided links, where they go into research studies that show the decrease in crimes where concealed carry is allowed.

3/20/2008 3:18:22 PM

Lets see if I phrase this correctly...

"IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GET THE FUCK OUT"

I'm sure you'll find places like Iraq or parts of Africa exactly what you're looking for.

3/20/2008 3:19:31 PM

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"Lets see if I phrase this correctly... "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GET THE FUCK OUT" I'm sure you'll find places like Iraq or parts of Africa exactly what you're looking for. "

People have been saying that to imigrants for years, and yet they still coming.


(Throwing logs on fire)

3/20/2008 3:21:51 PM

Golvoko would shit a brick if he realized how many people he passes by every single day who are carrying concealed

3/20/2008 3:38:56 PM

^seriously. just sit in the sheriff's office for 30 minutes and see how many people come in to get their ccw permits.

3/20/2008 3:43:45 PM

maybe one of us dumb hicks with a CCP will save Golovko's life one day

3/20/2008 3:54:59 PM

I wouldn't shit anything simply because I'm getting a permit myself. but not so I can carrying around a gun on campus and show off.

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"People have been saying that to imigrants for years, and yet they still coming."

its funny, because the people saying that to immigrants are the dumb hicks. Probably because the immigrants appreciate this country far more than you could ever in a life time.

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 4:02 PM. Reason : fda]

3/20/2008 4:01:22 PM

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"All of you just want to carry guns on campus because you think its your only shot at getting laid. "

i lol'd

3/20/2008 4:02:57 PM

^^my point was that you come in contact with people every day who are carrying concealed, and...heres the important part...are acting normal, safe, etc...so normal that you dont even know they're carrying

why must you think anyone who was able to carry concealed on campus would be "showing off"? you're showing off your ignorance to the background check

let me ask you a question Golovko...look at VT...look at Columbine...Nebraska mall...pick any incident where a mentally fucked gunman decided to go on a shooting spree...now tell me, how many of those shooters have had concealed carry permits? Zero. Carrying concealed on campus would simply be a new place that people who currently possess CCPs could go...it would have ZERO effect on the background process and testing that are currently required to get a concealed permit in the first place

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"the immigrants appreciate this country far more than you could ever in a life time."

except for you...and LiusClues...and whatever other anti-american immigrants I've seen post on TWW have come across as

besides dont all the "dumb hicks" love America more than anybody else? Haven't you even said blindly and regardless of how fucked up it is? Seems to me like in general the Democrats are the ones who don't appreciate this country but thats another topic all together

3/20/2008 4:07:26 PM

I have a ton of evidence that proves pools in backyards kill children every year, but no evidence that supports the other side of that argument. Should be ban pools to?

Anyways....you won't look cool carring a gun...this isn't a conversation about OPEN carry...

[Edited on March 20, 2008 at 4:10 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2008 4:08:16 PM

^careful...the common response from the anti-gun idiots are that "guns have the specific purpose for killing, pools (and cars, etc) do not"

they're right though...i can't stop somebody from shooting my family if all i'm armed with is a swimming pool

3/20/2008 4:10:34 PM

i'm applying for a CCPP. concealed carry pool permit. i can drown a bad guy out to do me harm. inundate them with pure high quality h2o.

3/20/2008 4:17:15 PM

I'd say UNC and Duke, under the light of recent events, should be more propelled to accept this protest.

Anyway, I don't know why we're arguing this because it'll never happen. Never.

And it's fun to see the frustration in you self-righteous idiots who know nothing of your own consequences feel the pain I've basically felt for 8 years now, and probably at least for 4 more...

3/20/2008 4:48:05 PM

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"Where's your evidence? I haven't seen a shred of evidence indicating that guns on campus is a good idea. Meanwhile we have a long list of shootings that indicate guns in the hands of civilians is a bad idea."

i guess i have to post this on every page so you can be sure to see it.



still waiting for an answer to my question.

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"in case you forgot: if CHL holders were allowed to carry in banks would there would be an increase in bank robberies/gun violence in banks due to this? can you answer that please?"

3/20/2008 6:38:42 PM

NO GUNS LEFT BEHIND ACT OF 2008!!!

3/20/2008 6:40:43 PM

So let me get this straight. Golovko says that all of those arguing in favor of CCW on campus are basically stupid by supplying facts and using reason. Apparently, his ideas are correct because he's using emotion, ignorance, & fantasy-land type situations. Let me guess... philosophy major?

Dude, you're my fucking hero. I wish I could sit there and say "Facts don't matter!!! I KNOW IT ALL! I'm the fucking coolest!"

Mr Scumples, you're a bit late. It's already happened. The first state has already allowed CCW on campus. That just opens the door for more states to follow through once we get rid of the mentally incompetent idiots that use fantasy to argue against facts.

I still love the fact that not a single one of you asshats can provide ONE piece of factual evidence as to why allowing CCW permit holders to carry on campus is a bad idea. Come on guys, just one. Surely if you all pitch in, you'll be able to combine your immense ignorance and stupidity into SOME kind of actual intelligence and show us something. Seriously, why is it so hard if this is such an amazingly horrible idea? Did you guys never have to write a research paper? Come on, let's see some FACTS!

3/20/2008 6:49:07 PM

i just have to comment on the fact that ccw holders would be too scared to stand up if something went down. MOST of these people (the ones that would actually do something) would do something because thats what they train to do. you dont just pay hundreds of dollars for the license/gun/holster/hundreds of practice rounds to 'feel cool' you do it because you want to use it as a tool to PROTECT yourself. there are obviously different types of people out there and the ones that feel compelled to get a ccw are the ones that do so because they are the type that would do something - some people handle pressure better than others. POLICE, as nice of an idea as it is would not be able to help in the fraction of a second that it takes to make a life or death decision (ie the recent UNC shooting). and getting a pistol PURCHASE permit is completely different - you CANNOT carry concealed legally at all - its simply a piece of paper that basically proves you have a clean background and lets the sheriff know where you live/keep the gun. those are not the people we are talking about.

3/20/2008 6:50:13 PM