^^ What is a "bad pick" anyway? Short of someone that eats babies, there's no objective thing as a "bad pick."

8/29/2008 7:42:31 PM

imo, a "bad pick" is someone that gets you less voters, and a "good pick" is someone that gets you more votes...i definitely think she will get mccain more votes

8/29/2008 7:43:58 PM

I don't really get into politics, but I cannot decide if this VP choice will pick up pissed off Clinton voters (I would hope not), or completely backfire by insulting voting women.

What's the general consensus on this

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 9:14 PM. Reason : llk;lk]

8/29/2008 9:02:21 PM

I do not think that she is going to get the Hilary-crat women voters. She is a little too right of center for all of that. Her anti-choice and creationist stances will not win her female democratic votes. I think that it really underestimates female voters if that is the reason behind choosing Palin.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 9:16 PM. Reason : AGH> no proevolution.]

8/29/2008 9:09:12 PM

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"anti-choice "

lol

i guess the opposite of pro life is pro abortion

btw i dont think she has pro evolution stances

8/29/2008 9:11:11 PM

honestly, i refer to it as anti-choice as well, sometimes


the evolution thing i sometimes refer to as "common sense"

8/29/2008 9:14:13 PM

no , i made a retard. i meant to say procreationism or anti-evolution.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 9:17 PM. Reason : brain farts.]

8/29/2008 9:16:47 PM

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"What is a "bad pick" anyway?"

Senator Lieberman

8/29/2008 9:26:33 PM

^that woulda made me more inclined to vote for mccain honestly

8/29/2008 9:27:12 PM

bad picks would be:

Obama-Wright

vs

McCain-Falwell

8/29/2008 9:27:20 PM

lol

8/29/2008 9:48:21 PM

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"no , i made a retard"

You and Palin both

/going to hell

8/29/2008 9:50:07 PM

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" i meant to say procreationism or anti-evolution."

I don't believe that Palin is anti-evolution. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

8/29/2008 10:07:59 PM

she wants to teach creationism in schools
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2008/08/sarah_palin_on.html

8/29/2008 10:21:54 PM

She also wants evolution taught in schools.

So she's not "anti-evolution" per se.

I would be curious to hear what she personally believes.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 10:27 PM. Reason : 2]

8/29/2008 10:27:03 PM

sounds like she's actually willing to "reach across the aisle" unlike many politicians

8/29/2008 10:27:55 PM

blah, Bush said he would do that 8 years ago.....and it was his way or the highway from the get go.....

Jeb Bush should of been president for the past 8 years.....and now because of his last name, he probably will never get the chance..

8/29/2008 10:44:33 PM

^^^ the "teach the controversy" bullshit is just the latest creationist/Discovery Institute tactic to get creationism in the schools, since they got shut down at Dover.
Anyone who thinks that teaching creation alongside evolution in the science classroom has no business making policy decisions.

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""Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information....Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject -- creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.""

that is a bunch of horseshit. there are not "2 sides" to the evolution debate - there is science, then there is mythology. Mythology does not deserve to be raised to the level of science and debated like it's an equal. Not that there's anything to debate anyway - you can learn everything you need to know about Creation by reading the first 10 lines of the Bible. I don't see why it would need any more than 30 seconds of discussion.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 10:45 PM. Reason : .]


these are her positions. what the hell do you think her "personal beliefs" are. She's a fundamentalist. hook, line and sinker

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"Her positions on social issues emerged slowly during the campaign: on abortion (should be banned for anything other than saving the life of the mother), stem cell research (opposed), physician-assisted suicide (opposed), creationism (should be discussed in schools), state health benefits for same-sex partners (opposed, and supports a constitutional amendment to bar them)."

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 10:47 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 10:44:55 PM

Palin is a moonbat just like the rest of you motherfuckers here. McCain and Palin is your dream ticket. try not to bust a nut when you cast your vote for 4 more years of yeehaw redneck stupidity.

8/29/2008 11:04:43 PM

Sadly, Palin is just another "Drill here. Drill now. Drill "ANWR" and in the skulls of baby seals for oil" nutball that is myopic enough to think that habitat loss is a good trade off for more pertobucks to her state. Ted "Tubes" Stevens would be proud. . .The good thing is that her wacko fundamentalist stances will be enough to keep most voters away.

8/29/2008 11:16:13 PM

Biden is a moonbat just like the rest of you motherfuckers here. Obama and Biden is your dream ticket. try not to bust a nut when you cast your vote for 4 more years of welfare faggot naiveté.

8/29/2008 11:22:10 PM

personally, i love war and cant stand those peace loving liberals

8/29/2008 11:25:06 PM

^^^ OBama helped reduce welfare rolls by 80% in Ill.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/552/

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"""Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information....Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject -- creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides."" that is a bunch of horseshit. there are not "2 sides" to the evolution debate - there is science, then there is mythology. Mythology does not deserve to be raised to the level of science and debated like it's an equal. Not that there's anything to debate anyway - you can learn everything you need to know about Creation by reading the first 10 lines of the Bible. I don't see why it would need any more than 30 seconds of discussion. "

To be fair she doesn't say "teach both IN THE SCIENCE CLASS" and there is not enough contextual information to believe that this is what she was implying. It's likely too she could just be saying that in a foolish attempt to gain votes. I read somewhere that she vetoed a bill to deny gay partners some rights, although she's anti-gay.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 11:37 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2008 11:35:34 PM

yeah, sure. i dont have a problem teaching creationism in school, [b]outside[b] the science class.

see, we'd have a special elective course on "Moonbat Cult Theories"... could spend about half the semester on Creationism, the rest of the time divided between Euegenics, Phrenology, Christian Science, and Magic Underpants.

8/30/2008 12:39:07 AM

i guess you only believe in freedom of religion when its islam when they're being persecuted by evil america, but certainly not christianity...THEMS NOTHIN BUT REDNECKS!!1...sad that you aren't tolerant of other people's views...maybe if she said we should teach both creation and communism you'd support her?

ps: i'm an agnostic that believes in science, evolution, etc

8/30/2008 1:07:30 AM

I don't see a problem teaching creationism, just not as a theory of how the world came about in a science class.

teaching it as part of a religion class is a-ok.

As has been said, its not clear what her opinion is on the context of how it should be taught.

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:13 AM. Reason : specifics]

8/30/2008 1:12:52 AM

does islam say the world is only 6k years old too?!?! wtf man, these religions are all damn wonky

8/30/2008 1:13:03 AM

she said even though she doesnt support gay marriage, she supported legislation for it...regardless of her views on evolution or creation, she seems to welcome both sides

by all accounts, so far at least, it seems like she actually does a decent job of putting her personal opinions aside and letting both sides of a particular issue have their say...i don't think theres anything wrong with that

although i went to public school in the 80s and 90s and we didnt really talk about creation, but if some school out in idaho wants to talk about it, it doesnt bother me personally

^they are indeed wonky...except rastafarianism

8/30/2008 1:14:54 AM

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"she said even though she doesnt support gay marriage, she supported legislation for it"

earlier i thought you said she doesnt support gay marriage, but supports gays getting the same benefits as a married couple...those 2 are not equal imo


(i'm one of the people that thinks its should be called a civil union, cause if a dude and a dude get married, which one is the husband/wife)

8/30/2008 1:18:11 AM

I"m thinking I"m going to break to my uber christian dad/step-mother that I'm agnostic over thanksgiving. what do you guys think?

^ that would just require the change in the definition of marriage.


[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:19 AM. Reason : ^]

8/30/2008 1:18:39 AM

You want your kids to learn religion, go to church every Sunday.

You want your kids to learn science, send them to school.

It's that simple. We don't need to add Creationism to science classrooms, and we don't need to be adding Theology as an additional high school course... unless the school systems have that much extra money to blow, which I'm pretty sure they don't right now.


In fact, some of this "conservative" whining about wanting creationism in schools seems like a simple case of personal irresponsibility and a feeling of entitlement... parents are too lazy and un-dedicated to go to church or teach their own kids their religion, so they're asking the state to do it for them.
(Not saying that Palin is like this... she seems pretty rational... but this does seem like the attitude of a large portion of the Republican base voters).

8/30/2008 1:20:27 AM

^^^Oh yeah you're right on the equal rights thing i was wrong...but i still think it shows that she can be tolerant of, and grant equal rights to, people she doesnt agree with, which i honestly think is good in any candidate...like i said in a thread earlier, i personally think a couple dudes buttfucking is disgusting, but that doesnt mean i think they should have separate water fountains or anything

^^he should understand that you're an adult who has his own way of thinking...i dunno about your step mom though...chicks are sometimes a little more emotional about things like that...might wanna confront your pops alone at first and tell him and see if he thinks you should break it to step momdukes

^i really dont disagree with any of that...i was just saying that her views about both creationism and evolution being taught in school seem to show she respects both sides of issues...and while you and i might think religion is for people who choose to go to church, some communities around the country might hold it more important, and if they want to do something in their town, let them pass their own laws

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:23 AM. Reason : .]

8/30/2008 1:20:45 AM

i'm definitely more worried about my step-mom, she's the one who's always like "how's your walk with God" when I go visit

A theology class shouldn't serve the purpose of indoctinating as does a church. It would just be taught as an elective class for students who are just interesting in different religions. No reason for not teaching that in public schools, its just educational.

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:25 AM. Reason : not]

8/30/2008 1:23:03 AM

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"I"m thinking I"m going to break to my uber christian dad/step-mother that I'm agnostic over thanksgiving. what do you guys think?"

idk i guess all families are def etc, but my parents and i had a big religious discussion like last summer, and i come to find out my stepdad is agnostic, my mom still technically calls herself a catholic...i told them i'm pretty sure i'm agnostic...i mean if you think they will disown you or something, i'd just go through the motions like you are a christian...thats what i do around most people, just so i dont have to explain anything to them, if they are a religious nut and happen to ask/question something

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:25 AM. Reason : ^"hows your walk with god"??? wtf man i'd kill myself if i had a parent like that]

8/30/2008 1:23:20 AM

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"while you and i might think religion is for people who choose to go to church, some communities around the country might hold it more important, and if they want to do something in their town, let them pass their own laws"

Like I said, if their school systems have the extra money to spend on Theology classes, let them go ahead and do it. It would be better spent on developing low-quality schools in urban districts, but if it's just <random suburban community with good schools and extra money>, they can feel perfectly free to do as they please.

8/30/2008 1:25:00 AM

^^pretty much

^yeah...i'm a proponent of the feds letting states or local govts make laws about things that might get viewed differently in different parts of the country...i think regardless of someones views on abortion or the death penalty or whatever other polarizing issues often separates sides in an election, i'm usually always in favor of the feds saying "do what you want" to a state and if the state wants to let the individual cities and counties and municipalities dictate their own laws on the issues, more power to them

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:27 AM. Reason : .]

8/30/2008 1:25:13 AM

thats pretty much the case for any school though...teach the basics and if you have the extra money for staff resources, blow it on stuff like 10 language classes and AP courses or whatever.

8/30/2008 1:26:22 AM

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""how's your walk with God""

this would seriously freak me out if my parents said shit like that to me on a regular basis(or just once lol)

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:27 AM. Reason : thing in parenthesis]

8/30/2008 1:26:51 AM

Your arms too short to box with Goooooooooooooood

btw the Bible is just the B.I.B.L.E....basic instructions before leaving earth

http://www.hiphoppalace.com/images/Gza%20-%20Bible.mp3

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:29 AM. Reason : holla]

8/30/2008 1:27:55 AM

being that I rarely see them, and growing up God always told them I'd be a "strong man of God" or some shit like that, she's always interested to see if I'm becoming the man God told them I'd become.

I'm waiting for their daughters to become cracked out whores in rebellion, its that kind of home atmosphere. If those girls asked me I'd take them in no questions asked.


[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:29 AM. Reason : ,]

8/30/2008 1:28:43 AM

damn isnt so funny now...



[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:49 AM. Reason : .]

8/30/2008 1:32:47 AM

embed plz for the funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0gAcbAGPH4

8/30/2008 1:48:53 AM

ok he^^ already embedded...lemme see what i can embed in this post so its not a waste

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:54 AM. Reason : .]



this should suffice

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 1:56 AM. Reason : .]

8/30/2008 1:54:00 AM

Much better act in a better overall show... but less applicable to the thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYyb485KewY&feature=related

8/30/2008 1:55:18 AM

8/30/2008 1:59:30 AM

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"In fact, some of this "conservative" whining about wanting creationism in schools seems like a simple case of personal irresponsibility and a feeling of entitlement... parents are too lazy and un-dedicated to go to church or teach their own kids their religion, so they're asking the state to do it for them."

I completely disagree with this.. I believe the vast majority of christian conservative parents don't want their children exposed to evil Satanic lies of evolutionary science. Most believe they can either shelter them completely by raising them inside the confines of a completely Christian community (only christian friends, boy/girlfriends, gatherings, social events, wifes, kids, etc.) and that teaching evolution to them inside a Science classroom undermines this attempt at sheltering.

8/30/2008 9:53:43 AM

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"evil Satanic lies of evolutionary science."

what?

8/30/2008 10:43:07 AM

^^

I can somewhat agree with that. I can see how some parents would feel that evolution would undermine christian doctrine and how they wouldn't want their kids to question christianity at a younger age. They will eventually, but I think parents feel that if they can beat and thump the doctrine into a young child's head early, without any question of anything else out there, they would be more likely to stay christian and not turn agnostic.

8/30/2008 11:21:10 AM

thanks mccain for your vp pick

thats what was the difference between a legitimate vote for you or the chisel-tip sharpie "ron paul" across the ballot after which i will wipe my ass with it

8/30/2008 11:24:26 AM

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"I completely disagree with this.. I believe the vast majority of christian conservative parents don't want their children exposed to evil Satanic lies of evolutionary science. Most believe they can either shelter them completely by raising them inside the confines of a completely Christian community (only christian friends, boy/girlfriends, gatherings, social events, wifes, kids, etc.) and that teaching evolution to them inside a Science classroom undermines this attempt at sheltering."

that can work both ways though. They might want the creationism taught in school so that their children don't lose sight of everything they've been trying to teach them at home. I wouldn't say they want public school to take place of them having to teach their children, just support or supplement what they teach...irregardless of separation of church and state.

8/30/2008 11:38:33 AM