kiss it

5/28/2009 2:16:10 PM

there are a shit load on retarded redneck hick sister fuckers in new york

5/28/2009 2:17:34 PM

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"the south most certainly did not produce ALL the rednecks"

yeah seriously, you ever been to Ohio?

plenty of white trash

5/28/2009 2:17:51 PM

There is plenty of white trash in all 50 states.

5/28/2009 2:19:52 PM

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"There is plenty of white trash in all 50 states."

There are like 10 or 12 in DC... We get lots of hippies, hipsters, snobs, and non-profiteers though

5/28/2009 2:22:43 PM

i guess realistically you could say the south put the American in African-American

5/28/2009 2:23:53 PM

Fried chicken existed long before the south.

5/28/2009 2:24:12 PM

wdprice3

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"Nazi's = put jews in ovens and baked them AMERICANS = forced blacks to work"

you're clearly showing your bias here. first, you specify a faction of germans, "nazis", but don't carry that through by singling out "slave owners" from the general american population. then, you try to cater to the patriotic sentiments in us by emphasizing "AMERICANS". yeah, technically you're right. slave owners were americans too, but some people don't like to see the united states in a negative light. therefore, these people will buy into your ploy and start to think "well, we really do anything bad, especially compared to those evil, evil, nazis." this transparent bias is further evidenced by your gross downplaying of the horrors of slavery. your phrasing makes it seem like slave owners were doing a service to society by "forcing blacks to work", and imply blacks wouldn't work otherwise (bigot). so the feebleminded nationalist who may be reading your comment is likely to interpret it as follows: we americans were doing something good while the evil, racist nazis murdered people in heinous fashion.

IRSeriousCat

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"there is actually a large school of thought that suggests the south set itself back by having slave labor. slaves only work enough to make it through the day and provide the means to sustain themselves for another day. actual wage workers will continue to produce as a means to earn more potential for the purchase of other goods. given the vast workforce the utilization of slavery was highly inefficient in product and as a result the profits and the economy were stifled"

are you really a serious cat?! wow. slaves had a choice of how much they worked? and given that choice, the short-sighted, lazy slaves produce only enough for the following day? really? news to me.

[Edited on May 28, 2009 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

5/28/2009 2:25:28 PM

^2 I know, but when it came to America it was introduced in the South

5/28/2009 2:26:29 PM

most slaves enjoyed their lives on the plantation, as portrayed in such films at Birth of a Nation and old Looney Tunes

and i mentioned KFC b/c I'm assuming they popularized it nation and world wide.

[Edited on May 28, 2009 at 2:27 PM. Reason : ,]

5/28/2009 2:26:42 PM

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"are you really a serious cat?! wow. slaves had a choice of how much they worked? and given that choice, the short-sighted, lazy slaves produce only enough for the following day? really? news to me."

actually i'm quite serious. Do you believe that there were slave masters and henchmen out watching every slave at every given moment? Do you think that the slaves operated at maximum capacity, working until they could produce absolutely no more that day? These questions are not rhetorical.

5/28/2009 2:29:54 PM

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"slaves had a choice of how much they worked? and given that choice, the short-sighted, lazy slaves produce only enough for the following day? really?"

Contrary to popular opinion, slaves rarely put in for overtime.

5/28/2009 2:30:31 PM

well the farmers of that time could not afford to pay overtime. they were trying to start a new world

5/28/2009 2:32:55 PM

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"however, as usual, GoldenViper appears to be trolling."

I assure you it's entirely earnest, as embarrassing as that may be.

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"This comment is completely false."

If so, bring it up with NCSU professor James Crisp. We briefly covered this in one of his classes. I have considerable respect for him as a historian, so I took his word for it. Now, this was years ago and I could be remembering incorrectly. It may have been appeals to other Americans rather than to Europeans. That's a serious error on my part, but the point remains identical: Confederate elites considered white supremacism profoundly important. Crisp made this argument in virtually the same context I'm making it. I often flub the details, but I tend to get the major themes right. I doubt my recall has failed me totally.

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"Oh revisionist history or ignorance of history."

I believe the view that the North had the moral high ground would be mainstream, not revisionist, history. Everywhere but in the South, anyway. After all, Howard Zinn attacked Lincoln and company in A People's History. I hold no respect for the bosses on either side of that conflict, but you have to acknowledge that the war did end slavery. Everything else aside, that's a major step forward.

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"BTW, more ignorance of history here, since you apparently don't know the Confederacy had legislation in the works to abolish slavery itself. Unfortunately they were a little preoccupied with defending their homes to get that passed."

What, exactly, are you referring to? Slavery was explicitly protected in the Confederate constitution: "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed." Now, there was talk of arming slaves once things got desperate, and of freeing slave who served well. Is that what you mean? If so, it's nothing to give Jefferson Davis props for. It appeared only as part of the most paternalistic racist narrative.

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"that's more than a little bit of a stretch, conveniently ignoring most of the soviet leadership that has ever existed, south africa before 1990 (80 years), a lot of nazi leadership, a lot of japanese leadership, a lot of american leadership"

Oh, you could go on, believe me. That's only the start. There's plenty of competition.

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"i mean, it's just plain a incorrect statement."

There's no objective standard for moral judgment. I stand by what I typed.

5/28/2009 4:31:33 PM

Things the North contributed to the building of this country:

- Sweatshops
- Maple Syrup
- ...

5/28/2009 10:34:25 PM

omg rednecks v. naacp

the epic battle of intellect

WHO WILL WIN

5/28/2009 10:57:43 PM

NIGGERS

5/28/2009 10:59:07 PM

hahahaha did terpball really cry about cyber-bullies on page 3?

CYBER-MOMMY ISN'T HERE TO SAVE YOU NOW, WELCOME TO THE GROWN-UP INTERNET

5/28/2009 11:02:56 PM

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""my sister has a huge ass confederate flag butterfly tattooed in the middle of her back. She does not associate it with separation of blacks from whites but again...she is an idiot." "

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5/28/2009 11:09:18 PM

anybody watching the cavs game?

5/28/2009 11:15:03 PM

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"@MittRomney Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol. To many, it is a symbol of racial hatred. Remove it now to honor #Charleston victims. The issue is not entirely new for Mr. Romney. He spoke out against flying the Confederate flag as far back as 2008, when he first ran for president. “That flag shouldn’t be flown,” he said at the time. “That’s not a flag I recognize.”"

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"“My position on how to address the Confederate flag is clear,” Mr. Bush wrote. “In Florida, we acted, moving the flag from the state grounds to a museum where it belonged.” He added: “Following a period of mourning, there will rightly be a discussion among leaders in the state about how South Carolina should move forward and I’m confident they will do the right thing.”"

I think Jeb is a little bitch, but I like his language here.

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"Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, however, demurred. In comments while he campaign in Iowa, Mr. Cruz said the flag is “a question for South Carolina. And the last thing they need is people from outside of the state coming in and dictating how they should resolve it.” He later said, “I understand the passions that this debate evokes on both sides. Both those who see a history of racial oppression and a history of slavery, which is the original sin of our nation. And we fought a bloody civil war to expunge that sin. But I also understand those who want to remember the sacrifices of their ancestors and the traditions of their states — not the racial oppression, but the historical traditions. And I think often this issue is used as a wedge to try to divide people.”"

What about the Native Americans? Was that not also a sin?

And damn, his choice of words here is pretty telling. "We fought a bloody civil war to expunge" the sin of slavery. That's not how it works dude. That's not how any of this works.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/20/mitt-romney-calls-for-removal-of-confederate-flag-at-south-carolina-capitol/

6/21/2015 12:26:55 AM

This is a classic case of people in glass houses throwing rocks

Countless atrocities resulting in millions of people being killed have happened under the banner of the american flag. If the confederate flag must come down then so should the american flag. Maybe we should change it like the $10 bill

6/21/2015 6:57:44 AM

Are you familiar!iar with the reasons that flag went up again after not being used in years and years? Sorry but that is a horrendous analogy with the American flag. That flags sole purpose after being reintroduced was to protest equality.

6/21/2015 7:01:31 AM

^yeah you prob right. hah

6/21/2015 7:16:29 AM

There's no way this would even be a discussion somewhere else in the world. Southerns are abunch of butthurt whiners.

6/21/2015 9:08:50 AM

I don't see a Nazi flag flying in Berlin.

6/21/2015 9:12:54 AM

Or the soviet block flying the old hammer and sickle. the confederate flag shouldnt be a thing any sane adult wants around.

6/21/2015 9:28:45 AM

It is a flag of traitors.

6/21/2015 10:57:07 AM

I'm sure this will re-incite the Remove Silent Sam crowd here in Chapel Hill.

6/21/2015 11:01:40 AM

^^ and losers

6/21/2015 11:14:22 AM

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"It is a flag of traitors."

just like the stars and stripes.

6/21/2015 8:30:22 PM

Yes, but we're the traitors in that sense. The Stars and Stripes isn't flown over Parliament in London.

6/21/2015 8:35:28 PM

and they aren't flying the stars and bars in the District of Columbia

6/21/2015 8:36:57 PM

Sounds like we are comparing apples to oranges here...

6/21/2015 8:52:48 PM

We really are.

The Confederate Flag is a joke. It is a flag that represents treason and that was used as a rallying cry when the Supreme Court decided segregation was illegal.

6/21/2015 8:56:04 PM

6/21/2015 8:57:23 PM

Thats wrong, they don't marry them, they just fuck them and make down syndrome babies.

6/21/2015 9:42:04 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/why-is-the-flag-still-there/396431/

6/21/2015 10:03:06 PM

apples to oranges? The declaration of independence was signed by a bunch of rich white slaveowners that didn't want to pay taxes and wanted to send a big "fuck you" to their federal government. for an apples to oranges comparison, it seems like they were fighting for the exact same reasons.

6/21/2015 10:12:37 PM

...and the confederate flag was "resurrected " as a fuck you to the civil rights movement; digging up a symbol of a failed traitorous attempt to secede/overthrow the government (winning side of the war).

It is completely ridiculous to compare that situation to the Unites States versus the U.K, two distinct countries.

6/21/2015 10:25:03 PM

^not before the Revolutionary War they weren't.

6/21/2015 11:19:53 PM

The Confederate Flag is a disgrace.

Also, I would like to claim that the current South is the LEAST racist region in America.

[Edited on June 22, 2015 at 10:39 AM. Reason : Not kidding ]

6/22/2015 10:39:02 AM

White man says south isn't racist.

6/22/2015 10:44:00 AM

Not what I meant. It's still racist.

6/22/2015 10:47:22 AM

Up north and out west, white people routinely hold doors open for black people and lay their coats on the wet asphalt of streets so the blacks don't have to get their shoes dirty. Unlike the south.

6/22/2015 10:49:20 AM

Unless you include gentrification as a form of racism, I don't see how you get that.

6/22/2015 10:57:38 AM

^^
Lol yep.

There is really NO sane rational for defending the confederate flag. You people need move on.

[Edited on June 22, 2015 at 10:59 AM. Reason : G]

6/22/2015 10:59:24 AM

He gets it by being white. The further north you go the less you run into racist idiots. I've been told by some black friends that the midwest is miles ahead of NC and the south.

Honestly if you want to find places with no racism, stay close to major universities.

[Edited on June 22, 2015 at 11:02 AM. Reason : ,]

6/22/2015 10:59:29 AM

Ah. The black friends rationale. That one belongs to us white folks.

[Edited on June 22, 2015 at 11:03 AM. Reason : Usa]

6/22/2015 11:02:41 AM

I'm not sure why this is even a discussion

6/22/2015 11:09:33 AM