0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
Yes, this is old, but it is exactly the type of example that shows Israel gets away with murder over and over again. And again, only a tiny fraction of such cases are reported... imagine how many go unreported and the victims labeled as 'missing'.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/16/israel2
This is the beginning and the end of the article, click to read all.
Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl
Quote : | "An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.
The soldier, who has only been identified as "Captain R", was charged with relatively minor offences for the killing of Iman al-Hams who was shot 17 times as she ventured near an Israeli army post near Rafah refugee camp in Gaza a year ago.
The manner of Iman's killing, and the revelation of a tape recording in which the captain is warned that she was just a child who was "scared to death", made the shooting one of the most controversial since the Palestinian intifada erupted five years ago even though hundreds of other children have also died.
After the verdict, Iman's father, Samir al-Hams, said the army never intended to hold the soldier accountable.
"They did not charge him with Iman's murder, only with small offences, and now they say he is innocent of those even though he shot my daughter so many times," he said. "This was the cold-blooded murder of a girl. The soldier murdered her once and the court has murdered her again. What is the message? They are telling their soldiers to kill Palestinian children."
The military court cleared the soldier of illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and perverting the course of justice by asking soldiers under his command to alter their accounts of the incident." |
This, you have to read:
Quote : | "From the watchtower [three-way conversation between watchtower soldier, the operations room in another location, and finally, Captain R, the officer on the ground near watchtower "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward." "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?" "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death." "I think that one of the positions took her out." "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."
From the operations room "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"
Watchtower "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."
A few minutes later, Iman is shot from one of the army posts
Watchtower "I think that one of the positions took her out."
Captain R "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."
Capt R then "clarifies" why he killed Iman
"This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."
• This article was amended on 1 September 2010, to make explicit that the opening watchtower conversation is between three participants." |
[Edited on October 7, 2010 at 4:35 PM. Reason : ]10/7/2010 4:34:53 PM |
Pupils DiL8t All American 4960 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "If Israel allowed full sovereignty and removed the blockades perhaps we would see political leadership with some control over [the Palestinian] people." |
QFT.10/7/2010 4:55:24 PM |
bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
Every Jew eats bagels. Maybe 1% of them know why.
It is not a religious thing. Nowhere does it say "As a Jew, you are commanded to eat bagels with locks for Sabbath brunch." But it is culturally something that Jews do. 10/7/2010 10:04:48 PM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ i share your disappointment with events like that
but how come you don't post about the similarly violent acts that Israelis are the target of? your seemingly unbalanced perspective makes it hard for me to take your posts vilifying Israel seriously 10/7/2010 10:10:25 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
whenever there has been a suicide bombing, i have posted here condemning it. ok, not 'whenever', but in a lot of cases.
my point is not to post about every atrocity by israel or the settlers. there are many people (vast majority of americans?) who believe that israelis are being oppressed by the palestinian suicide bombers and that the israelis never kill palesitinians and/or never kill and get away with it.
my goal is to show people that that's completely far from the truth. fact is, israelis run the show, they can hide atrocities easily, fail to punish those who commit them, twist facts using media, etc.
the other thing is, whenever a palestinian blows himself up or hamas fires rockets, the whole muslim world is expected by the media to condemn it otherwise the muslim world is seen as being complicit in the terrorism, but the same expectation does not exist when a israeli/jewish soldier or settler kills innocent palestinians.
so my point is to bring out the unbalanced nature of the whole game, which the israelis play really well to show themselves as the vicitms of a constant rainfall of palestinian rockets and suicide bombers.
see this post and the video i posted here
message_topic.aspx?topic=576855&page=4#14310848
my point is to show how israel kills scores of civilians and destroys many houses just to hunt down one terrorist, but itself gets away with many murders by hiding them or not punishing the soldiers who commit them, and also not indicting settlers who commit murders of palestinians.
[Edited on October 7, 2010 at 10:33 PM. Reason : ] 10/7/2010 10:27:27 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
the other thing is "muslim/islamic terrorist/ism" and "palestinian terrorist/ism" are used in every mainstream news and media source, but when is the last time you heard "jewish terrorist/ism" or "israeli terrorist/ism" on mainstream media?
they are always identified as settlers or soldiers, who just happen to be jews/israelis but is never used as an identifier. so how come they never say a "a palestinian shopkeeper blew himself up"? no... it is "palestinian muslim terrorist"... who cares if he was a shopkeeper?!
again, it is completely unbalanced.
might is right, and those who have money and influence write the news and the history.
anyway, this is just secondary, the main thing is that israeli government, military, and civilians kill and injure thousands of palestinians and get away with it. and even more importantly, they try to hide the deaths from the world first if possible. 10/7/2010 10:59:57 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
I think you have things backwards, OPIE. The international media is very clearly anti-Israel, there should never be any doubts about that. Now the US media is somewhat less biased in it's coverage, but by and large the media is sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and tries to make Israel look bad whenever possible. The ridiculous "aid flotilla" media coverage was a good example. There are many, many other examples of the media embellishing stories, reporting things in a very 1-sided fashion and doctoring pictures / videos in efforts to make Israel look like ruthless aggressors at every turn.
[Edited on October 7, 2010 at 11:50 PM. Reason : 2] 10/7/2010 11:50:00 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "but when is the last time you heard "jewish terrorist/ism" or "israeli terrorist/ism" on mainstream media? " |
Haha some articles from the 40's have "Jewish terrorist" as a term. Quite amusing.
Quote : | "Now the US media is somewhat less biased in it's coverage, but by and large the media is sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and tries to make Israel look bad whenever possible." |
roflmao do we live in the same country?
Quote : | "The ridiculous "aid flotilla" media coverage was a good example. There are many, many other examples of the media embellishing stories, reporting things in a very 1-sided fashion and doctoring pictures / videos in efforts to make Israel look like ruthless aggressors at every turn." |
They are ruthless aggressors and have been since day 1. They tell us as much. Why do you tell us something different?
Again, I am left to wonder this over and over: why do Americans try to revise the clear-stated motives and goals of Zionists? What's in it for you?10/8/2010 9:21:20 AM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
This is what the zionazi monsters do, day in and day out:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/11/201011251357498144.html
Quote : | "Israel pulls down West Bank mosque
Palestinians say troops have demolished mosques and several other structures in two areas in the occupied territory.
Israeli troops have demolished a mosque and more than 10 other structures in two areas in the ooccupied West Bank, Palestinian sources have said. . . . Khirbet Yarza is located in Area C of the West Bank, which is under full Israeli control and where all construction and planning issues come under the jurisdiction of the Israeli civil administration.
At the opposite end of the West Bank, Israeli troops destroyed a building which was home to 18 people in the southern town of Yatta, the family and municipal officials told the AFP news agency.
Figures from Bimkom, an Israeli NGO, show that around 95 per cent of applications for a building permit are rejected, with the civil administration only granting around 12 permits a year.
According to UN figures, Israel destroyed 180 Palestinian structures in Area C in 2009, including 56 residential buildings." |
May God/Allah/Yahweh smite these wretched barbaric oppressors to pieces....
Of course we all know this, but still, reminders are always good: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2010/11/20101125134647489279.html
Obama: getting 'poned' Bibi style
Without adopting a new approach, the Obama administration will fail in its quest to bring peace to Palestine/Israel.
While I don't really like Turks (their government/military/admin, that is), this is great: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/11/2010112515623296627.html
Turkey warns Israel against attacks
Turkish prime minister says he will not "stay silent" if Israel attacks Gaza or Lebanon.
This is great too... I hope they end up killing/destroying themselves: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2010/11/2010112083231771111.html
AIPAC: Fighting for survival
With the flailing lobby distracted by a legal battle with a former employee, peace may just have a chance.
Make sure to click all the links within.
[Edited on November 25, 2010 at 9:00 PM. Reason : ]11/25/2010 8:55:49 PM |
tromboner950 All American 9667 Posts user info edit post |
...really? You're going there?
Really?11/25/2010 10:13:29 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
It's that time of the month again for OEPII1. He gets all bitchy and whines about Israel once a month, like clockwork. Just ignore him. 11/26/2010 1:25:07 AM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
Thank God I am not someone who takes joy in people being butchered and houses being demolished, like the 2 sadistic bastards above me.
Quote : | "They are ruthless aggressors and have been since day 1. They tell us as much. Why do you tell us something different?
Again, I am left to wonder this over and over: why do Americans try to revise the clear-stated motives and goals of Zionists? What's in it for you?" |
[Edited on November 26, 2010 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ]11/26/2010 5:34:01 PM |
smc All American 9221 Posts user info edit post |
One good thing about the election of tea partiers is they don't support foreign "aid", especially foreign "aid" to Israel. Such a horrible country to call our ally. 11/26/2010 6:30:26 PM |
bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
^I thought Tea Party was in huge support of Israel not falling into the hands of terrorists/arabs/muslims (you know, since all 3 of those terms are equivelent according to NC District 2) 11/27/2010 2:15:24 AM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
It is already in the hands of terrorists... has been for 60+ years. 11/27/2010 2:54:17 AM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
In the hands of terrorists on both sides of the siege. This is part of what makes the situation so difficult; Palestinian elites are corrupt, Israeli leaders are corrupt. The civilians on both sides suffer, but Israelis have every incentive not to treat Palestinians as human beings; just like Americans have no incentive to treat the poor as human beings. 11/27/2010 12:13:52 PM |
smc All American 9221 Posts user info edit post |
wah wah wah those poor israelis with their 1st world standard of living and second most advanced military in the world. How will they ever defeat their powerful enemy that is denied access to drinking water? 11/27/2010 12:17:14 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
^ , ^^
Truth. 11/27/2010 3:40:01 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
This is what causes suicide bombings and terrorism. When one suicide bomber blows himself up, it is on the main page of every news site or paper or channel, even if no one dies. And then the POTUS also condemns it.
But what about when Israel does this? Is it on CNN? On Fox? Anywhere? Any condemnation from any US official? And these are Israeli citizens here, not Palestinians. They just happen to be Arab, and therefore, beneath even the respect that an Israeli's/Jew's shoes would deserve.
May the Lord destroy the racist and barbaric government of Israel.
Israeli Bedouin village razed for the 8th time
Quote : | "RAMALLAH: The Israeli Lands Administration (ILA) inspectors backed by large police forces on Thursday demolished the unrecognized Bedouin village of Al-Araqib for the eighth time in recent months.
The village, located in the southern Negev Desert, was demolished for the seventh time in November, but as in previous instances, it was immediately rebuilt.
Volunteers from the Higher Arab Monitoring Committee and several political activists had helped the villagers of Al-Araqib rebuild their homes every time the Israeli authorities demolished them. The activists said that they would continue to rebuild structures in the village.
Awwad Abu Freih, the spokesman of Al-Araqib's village committee, said that the Israeli police used force to evict the residents from their homes and corrugated iron roofed dwellings.
Abu Freih added the Israeli bulldozers then began the demolition process. The official said police acted violently during the clashes that erupted in the area after razing of homes.
Abu Freih said the Israeli forces declared the area a closed military zone and prevented journalists from entering it to cover the demolition.
He noted the demolitions were "a routine procedure. Dozens of police officers arrived followed by bulldozers. They razed all the houses. They ruined everything we built and left nothing. It's a big disgrace."
According to the official, the "demolition aims at establishing farms for Jewish residents of Givot Bar settlement at the expense of the village residents."
He added that the demolition is a message from the Israeli government that it will not recognize the village. "All attempts to uproot the residents of the village will ultimately fail," Abu Freih stressed. "The attempt to uproot Bedouin citizens from their communities constitutes a serious insult to all Bedouin."
The Arab member of the Knesset Talab El-Sana said "the demolition operations lead to unrest and disobedience in the Arab sector in general, and the Negev in particular. We are victims of the State of Israel."
El-Sana, of the United Arab List party, said that the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is "crossing red lines" and "declaring war on the Arab citizens."
He warned that the "Israeli use of violence against Arab citizens will lead to new circles of violence in the area."
The Israeli police claim they were taking measures to charge the residents of Al-Araqib with demolition expenses, estimated at millions of shekels." |
As if it is not terrible enough to destroy people's houses and livelihoods, charge them for the expenses!
All those involved in the destruction, from the bulldozer operators, to the police, to the government officials who approved it, should be lined up and shot like dogs.12/30/2010 10:00:04 AM |
1in10^9 All American 7451 Posts user info edit post |
It will never stop. Even if 99% of the Israelis and Palestinians accept to co-exist, actions of remaining 1% will ruin it for everyone. 12/30/2010 10:31:01 AM |
bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
^From my time there, I can say it feels like about 80% is about at that point. They just want the violence to stop on both sides. 12/30/2010 1:43:38 PM |
disco_stu All American 7436 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "May the Lord destroy the racist and barbaric government of Israel." |
There's your (and their) problem.12/30/2010 1:49:47 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
So you disagree with my statement?
All racist and extremist elements on BOTH sides should die off immediately. Of course, not all extremists and oppressors can be eliminated, but if most can, then some progress can be made. 12/30/2010 2:02:12 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Religion: Fucking shit up since the dawn of time. 12/30/2010 2:16:33 PM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It will never stop. Even if 99% of the Israelis and Palestinians accept to co-exist, actions of remaining 1% will ruin it for everyone." |
Not if the 1% are dealt with as criminals rather than as opponents for the military.
Quote : | "Religion: Fucking shit up since the dawn of time." |
This has surprisingly little to do with religion from the Israeli perspective; it's a matter of perceived "birth-right" which is not necessarily tied to religious truth.12/30/2010 6:43:32 PM |
Kris All American 36908 Posts user info edit post |
It's racism.
Also did anyone else here that the Israeli president raped women while in office? 12/30/2010 6:51:47 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
he received a 5 year sentence (or 4). 12/30/2010 6:56:09 PM |
Kris All American 36908 Posts user info edit post |
Sounds about right for multiple cases of rape and gross abuse of power. If it happened in any other civilized society (except russia) the guy would have gotten at least a life sentence. 12/31/2010 12:49:28 AM |
disco_stu All American 7436 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "So you disagree with my statement?
All racist and extremist elements on BOTH sides should die off immediately. Of course, not all extremists and oppressors can be eliminated, but if most can, then some progress can be made." |
If you can say "May the Lord destroy the racist and barbaric government of Israel." with a straight face I'd say "extremist" would be a good way to describe you too.
No matter how much people would like to downplay the role of religion in the conflict in Israel, the crux of the problem is that each side has their own god telling them what they deserve and what others do not deserve. Of course it's more complex than this, but to say that it has "surprisingly little to do with religion" is horseshit. Where does the "birth-right" come from? From what authority do the Israelis cite their right to the land that they've taken (with our help, of course. Idiots over here have thought that their god is telling them to help the Israelis' god)
Note, I'm not saying removing religion overnight would fix the Middle East. Thousands of years of believing in fairy tales has already done the damage. It will probably take thousands of more years to fix.
[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]12/31/2010 1:51:07 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "If you can say "May the Lord destroy the racist and barbaric government of Israel." with a straight face I'd say "extremist" would be a good way to describe you too" |
First of all, you have to believe in religion to believe that prayers like that work, and I guess if you believe in a religion (the big 3), you are extremist by definition.
Second, I think it is disingenuous not to look at someone's actions and then brand them an extremist. None of my actions would ever qualify me to be an extremist.
Third, look at what I said. Had I prayed for the whole of Israel to be destroyed, then yes, I am an extremist. But, I prayed for terrible humans who oppress and kill others to be destroyed. They could be destroyed in many ways. They could just fall like flies. They could be arrested one day (if a moral government ever comes to power on either side) and brought to justice and locked away or banished from the country. They could die at the hands of the people they oppress. I am not saying catch them and kill them. My wish is for them to be eliminated from the playing field, not to be caught and tortured to death.12/31/2010 2:24:31 PM |
disco_stu All American 7436 Posts user info edit post |
You had it right at your first point. My point was anyone who thinks they have an omnipotent being on their side and implore said being to crush their enemies could easily be called an "extremist." Probably includes a lot more people than the mainstream definition of "extremist." (thanks to the mainstream being inundated by the "moderate" religious).
May the hammer of Thor crash down on any whom I declare despicable.
I was in no way suggesting that you are capable of what people we normally label "extremists" do, by the way.
[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 2:39 PM. Reason : .] 12/31/2010 2:38:05 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
Fair enough! 12/31/2010 2:59:07 PM |
Kris All American 36908 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "but to say that it has "surprisingly little to do with religion" is horseshit. Where does the "birth-right" come from? From what authority do the Israelis cite their right to the land that they've taken (with our help, of course. Idiots over here have thought that their god is telling them to help the Israelis' god)" |
The KKK, Nazis, and all other sort of racist groups have their own religious reasons for racism as well, that doesn't make it any less racist. It's like saying American slavery was due to religious reasons because they believed that blacks were the decedents of Cain.
[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 3:49 PM. Reason : ]12/31/2010 3:46:13 PM |
disco_stu All American 7436 Posts user info edit post |
Abrahamic religions' involvements in the history of slavery is entirely a different topic.
Quote : | "It's like saying American slavery was due to religious reasons because they believed that blacks were the decedents of Cain." |
If this belief was cited as the justification for American slavery then I'd agree with you entirely.
[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 4:29 PM. Reason : .]12/31/2010 4:15:19 PM |
bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
since the overwhelming population of israelis don't practice their religion on a regular basis and a good number of them don't believe in G-d, then it is a fair statement to say it doesn't have as much to do with religion as most people think. 1/1/2011 2:05:02 PM |
Kris All American 36908 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Abrahamic religions' involvements in the history of slavery is entirely a different topic." |
Agreed, that's why I didn't say anything that had to do with it.
Quote : | "If this belief was cited as the justification for American slavery then I'd agree with you entirely." |
It was. The idea that blacks were under the mark of Cain was pretty much the prevailing belief at the time and a generally used as the main biblical justification for slavery.1/1/2011 2:20:27 PM |
disco_stu All American 7436 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "since the overwhelming population of israelis don't practice their religion on a regular basis and a good number of them don't believe in G-d, then it is a fair statement to say it doesn't have as much to do with religion as most people think." |
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2122.html?countryName=Israel&countryCode=is®ionCode=meis
Quote : | "Jewish 75.5%, Muslim 16.8%, Christian 2.1%, Druze 1.7%, other 3.9% (2008)" |
Or is this another one of those "Jewish" isn't a religion thing?
All I have found is unreliable sources that between 15 and 37 percent are non-practicing. I'd like a citation on "overwhelming population of israelis don't practice their religion on a regular basis" and what in the hell "on a regular basis" even means in terms of whether they think that God has given them that land.
Oh, and are Shimon Peres and Benjamin Netanyahu non-practicing Jews as well?
Also, it's neat to know that the Law of Return has nothing to do with religion, nor are there any Holy cities in dispute in Israel, and Hamas and Hezbollah have nothing to do with religion. I'll make a note of that. Qutbism apparently doesn't exist either, right? And Western help to establish Israel and keep it there has nothing to do with Christian support of Judaism. Noted as well.
Quote : | "It was. The idea that blacks were under the mark of Cain was pretty much the prevailing belief at the time and a generally used as the main biblical justification for slavery." |
Well, chalk another one up for superstitious belief fucking the world up for the rest of us.
[Edited on January 1, 2011 at 10:23 PM. Reason : .]1/1/2011 10:15:58 PM |
Pupils DiL8t All American 4960 Posts user info edit post |
In case anyone missed it:
http://english.aljazeera.net/palestinepapers/2011/01/201112214310263628.html
Quote : | "Over the last several months, Al Jazeera has been given unhindered access to the largest-ever leak of confidential documents related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. There are nearly 1,700 files, thousands of pages of diplomatic correspondence detailing the inner workings of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. These documents – memos, e-mails, maps, minutes from private meetings, accounts of high level exchanges, strategy papers and even power point presentations – date from 1999 to 2010." |
1/28/2011 3:43:28 PM |
kdogg(c) All American 3494 Posts user info edit post |
Israel just closed its embassy in Cairo.
So much for that good thing.
This is exactly what Obama wanted, and he's going to get something that he won't be able to handle...like everything else in his administration. 2/13/2011 10:29:48 PM |
Geppetto All American 2157 Posts user info edit post |
We should really just stop providing Israel with support- both fiscal and political- and then let Israel's wilting power structure be their driving force for compromise, rather than expecting Israel to willingly concede while it receives so much positive support that any adjustment to the status quo has no benefit to them. 2/13/2011 10:58:46 PM |
mrfrog ☯ 15145 Posts user info edit post |
I think the US should stop giving aid to every single nation in that region. We're paying them to kill each other. 2/15/2011 9:56:34 AM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/25/merkel-rebukes-netanyahu-peace-israel
Quote : | "The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, has sternly rebuked the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, in an unusually fractious telephone call, according to media reports.
Netanyahu had done nothing to advance the peace process, Merkel said in a conversation this week, reported in the Israeli daily Haaretz.
The Israeli prime minister telephoned Merkel on Monday to say he was disappointed that Germany had voted for a UN security council resolution condemning settlements that was vetoed by the US.
According to a German official quoted by Haaretz, Merkel was furious. "How dare you?" she said. "You are the one who has disappointed us. You haven't made a single step to advance peace."
" |
word. take some notes Obama2/25/2011 2:16:38 PM |
disco_stu All American 7436 Posts user info edit post |
double word 2/25/2011 3:36:01 PM |
GrumpyGOP yovo yovo bonsoir 18191 Posts user info edit post |
Israel is being an enormous dick on the whole settlement issue, but I'm not sure having the Germans of all people point it out was a good thing. 2/28/2011 12:51:25 AM |
Kris All American 36908 Posts user info edit post |
Fuck that shit, they've been pussy footing around that holocaust shit for years. We were still lynching blacks less than 40 years ago, and I think we can all agree that is behind us now, I don't think they have any more responsibility for something they have spent almost 70 years continually paying out the ass and apologizing for. 2/28/2011 1:14:02 AM |
GrumpyGOP yovo yovo bonsoir 18191 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not talking about what Germany deserves, I'm talking about how Israel is liable to think for a long time no matter what happens.
"We were lynching blacks less than 40 years ago"...no shit, and no wonder so many black people don't trust whites or the government. Not a great example there. It's been a while since we stopped trying to kill all the Native Americans, too, and I don't think they're assholes for not trusting us completely.
I'm trying to put myself into Jewish/Israeli shoes. In their shoes, German advice is less than fucking compelling. 2/28/2011 1:23:54 AM |
Geppetto All American 2157 Posts user info edit post |
Perhaps they should offer them a ...final solution 2/28/2011 10:01:00 AM |
McDanger All American 18835 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I'm trying to put myself into Jewish/Israeli shoes. In their shoes, German advice is less than fucking compelling." |
If that were true they wouldn't have learned so well as a result of the 30's/40's2/28/2011 10:02:11 AM |
adultswim Suspended 8379 Posts user info edit post |
Gaza-Egypt border crossing to open permanently
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13240113
Quote : | "Egypt says it will open its Rafah border crossing with the Gaza Strip on a permanent basis.
The interim Foreign Minister, Nabil al-Arabi, said the blockade would be eased over the next few days.
He described the support of the previous Egyptian government for the blockade as disgraceful.
The blockade was imposed after Hamas took control of Gaza, four years ago. Israel says it is necessary to stop the smuggling of weapons into Gaza.
The announcement marks a significant shift in the foreign policy of Egypt. Under former President Mubarak the Egyptian government opposed the Hamas administration in Gaza and helped Israel to enforce the blockade.
'Collective punishment' The blockade of Gaza was a very controversial policy. It was widely viewed as a form of collective punishment of the population of the strip because of the hardships it caused.
The International Committee of the Red Cross said in 2010 that the blockade was a clear violation of international humanitarian law.
The current Egyptian government may only be an interim one, but it is implementing the greatest shift in Egypt's foreign policy for three decades, says the BBC's Jonathan Head in Cairo.
Under Mr Mubarak Egypt strongly upheld its unpopular peace treaty with Israel, and opposed Hamas in the internal Palestinian power-struggle.
The new government, though, has already helped broker a reconciliation agreement between the two Palestinian factions.
Israeli alarm The Rafah crossing is the only entry and exit point into Gaza that bypasses Israel.
This decision will alarm Israel, which has already condemned the deal with Hamas, our correspondent says.
Egypt is also talking about repairing its frosty relations with Iran, and upgrading ties with African countries which share its dependence on the waters of the River Nile.
A recent opinion poll showed most Egyptian respondents in favour of ending the peace treaty with Israel - but the new government has said on many occasions that it will honour existing international agreements." |
How will Israel combat this? It renders their blockade useless.5/11/2011 11:56:49 AM |
bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
I can understand the desire to rehash the terms of the treaty, but to end it all together would be horrible for both sides. The new government should be pushing for peaceful terms with all of its neighbors. The conflict between Israel and Palestine heavily effects the Egyptian people and they should be taking higher stakes in the peace talks. 5/11/2011 7:54:31 PM |