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6/8/2010 12:41:53 AM

6/9/2010 12:07:59 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08/oil.rig.warning.signs/index.html?hpt=T2

This article makes me

6/9/2010 12:32:44 AM

^




felt like I needed to post this because part of it is so funny, Its from a Pamlico-Tar River Foundation Link on Facebook

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"Dane Emmerling sent this email about the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico to David Emmerling, PTRF executive director. Dane is his son and is in New Orleans as an AmeriCorps/Vista volunteer for a year. REACTIONS TO THE OIL SPILL: UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL So today, four friends and I drove out to Grand Isle, Louisiana to see the beaches that were being affected by the oil spill. It was pretty crazy and I wanted to write you and tell you about some things I saw. Our first stop was a public beach access. Workers dug a sand wall to keep people from crossing over onto the oily part of the beach. A young woman and her three kids, appearing to be from the area, decide to cross the sand wall and go swimming. The authorities quickly found them covered in oil and began scrubbing them off. Watching a large man completely suited in a white Tyvec suit scrubbing off a four year old is a disturbing sight. We watched the kids getting cleaned for awhile. A coast guard helicopter flies by. The mom for some reason lifts up her shirt and flashes the coast guard helicopter. No explanations for any of these behaviors are ever offered. We can only watch the four year old getting scrubbed for so long and so move along to a nearby state park. At the park there is a pier jutting out into the ocean and we are able to more closely examine the sand. There is a strip of dark black at the high tide point. Work crews are deployed and duties consist of using some sort of giant vacuum to suck the tidal pools that are filled with oil up and laying down what appears to fancy paper towels to soak up oil. Then men with rakes scrape the top layer of sand off into piles and the piles were shoveled up into garbage bags which were carted off to places unknown. Someone else on the pier said these work crews were only deployed to locations along the beach where the public and media have easy access Further out on the pier I watched some dead shrimp float under the pier. Pelicans whose lower halves were completely black flew by. Tar balls, oil that had congealed into lumps were left in their wake greasy wakes, floated by. Each lap of the current made new swirls in strands of oil, which was thicker and moved differently than the ocean currents, flashed in the sunshine as it was washed up on the beach where the men had just finished raking. As I am staring into the ocean a guy drinking a tall boy strikes up a conversation. He is from a town less than 45 minutes away and also wanted to come see the beach. He tells me of his brother who was a shrimper but now is making 2,000 dollars a day to drive his boat around with oil booms attached to his boat. It is the most money his brother has ever made in his life. The man tells me about how he is outraged by BP. As he is talking he takes out a fresh pack of cigarettes and calmly pulls the bottom part of the plastic off and throws it in the ocean. He pulls the top part off and throws that in the ocean as well. He continues to talk about his outrage till he finishes his cigarette and flicking the butt into the ocean and bids me good day. As shocked as I was by the disconnect between the man’s words and his actions, I realize that we are all participating in some systems which are unhealthy and unsustainable. In the future I hope to more effectively confront my own tendency to feel outrage while being part of the problem. For now I just really hope that the effects of our actions and greed can be countered through dedication to our ideals and compassion for others."

WTF! I'm sure the entire state of La isn't this stupid, but this left me wondering










[Edited on June 9, 2010 at 3:01 PM. Reason : *]

6/9/2010 2:59:24 PM

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" seriously? lol"

Yeah hard to believe the station owners/operators don't want you spilling a highly flammable liquid all over the place...

6/9/2010 3:10:13 PM

Some gems from BP's response plan:

- Professor Peter Lutz is listed as a go-to wildlife specialist at the University of Miami. But Lutz, an eminent sea turtle expert, left Miami almost 20 years ago to chair the marine biology department at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton. He died four years before the plan was published.

- Under the heading "sensitive biological resources," the plan lists marine mammals including walruses, sea otters, sea lions and seals.

- The names and phone numbers of several Texas A&M University marine life specialists are wrong. So are the numbers for marine mammal stranding network offices in Louisiana and Florida, which are no longer in service.

- BP's proposed method to calculate spill volume based on the darkness of the oil sheen is way off. The internationally accepted formula would produce estimates 100 times higher.

- The Gulf's loop current, which is projected to help eventually send oil hundreds of miles around Florida's southern tip and up the Atlantic coast, isn't mentioned in either plan.

- The website listed for Marine Spill Response Corp. -- one of two firms that BP relies on for equipment to clean a spill -- links to a defunct Japanese-language page.

- In early May, at least 80 Louisiana state prisoners were trained to clean birds by listening to a presentation and watching a video. It was a work force never envisioned in the plans, which contain no detailed references to how birds will be cleansed of oil.

- Beaches where oil washed up within weeks of a spill were supposed to be safe from contamination because BP promised it could marshal more than enough boats to scoop up all the oil before any deepwater spill could reach shore

- BP asserts that the combined response could skim, suck up or otherwise remove 20 million gallons of oil each day from the water. But that is about how much has leaked in the past six weeks

- The plan uses computer modeling to project a 21 percent chance of oil reaching the Louisiana coast within a month of a spill. In reality, an oily sheen reached the Mississippi River delta just nine days after the April 20 explosion. Heavy globs soon followed. Other locales where oil washed up within weeks of the explosion were characterized in BP's regional plan as safely out of the way of any oil danger.

- BP's site plan regarding birds, sea turtles or endangered marine mammals ("no adverse impacts") also have proved far too optimistic.

- There weren't supposed to be any coastline problems because the site was far offshore. "Due to the distance to shore (48 miles) and the response capabilities that would be implemented, no significant adverse impacts are expected," the site plan says.

http://www.salon.com/news/excerpt/2010/06/09/us_gulf_oil_spill_sketchy_plans/index.html

[Edited on June 9, 2010 at 9:09 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2010 9:06:34 PM

What we need to do is round up all the illegal Mexicans that have been found through racial profiling in Arizona. Tell them that we'll pay them minimum wage to manually clean up the oil spilt by BP. They can agree to work until the oil is cleaned up and earn citizenship or be deported.

6/13/2010 10:18:12 PM

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"Our first stop was a public beach access. Workers dug a sand wall to keep people from crossing over onto the oily part of the beach. A young woman and her three kids, appearing to be from the area, decide to cross the sand wall and go swimming. The authorities quickly found them covered in oil and began scrubbing them off. Watching a large man completely suited in a white Tyvec suit scrubbing off a four year old is a disturbing sight. We watched the kids getting cleaned for awhile. A coast guard helicopter flies by. The mom for some reason lifts up her shirt and flashes the coast guard helicopter. No explanations for any of these behaviors are ever offered. We can only watch the four year old getting scrubbed for so long and so move along to a nearby state park. "

wtf

6/13/2010 11:08:51 PM

alcohol may have been a factor

6/14/2010 1:19:13 AM

a lot of insensitive motherfuckers ITT

6/14/2010 1:28:08 AM

Orange Beach, Alabama, more than 90 miles from the BP oil spill...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/picture/2010/jun/14/bp-oil-spill-oil-spills

6/15/2010 5:15:37 PM

^ jesus

that doesn't look real

6/15/2010 5:16:06 PM

^^



BP should go out of business over this.

6/15/2010 5:55:20 PM

^thats good thinking. And who would pay for the cleanup?

6/15/2010 6:18:18 PM

^
Ah, yes, I should clarify... As I said earlier in a different thread:
"As long as they completely finished and paid for the clean-up, (and paid for everything else,) I'd see no problem with their subsequent bankruptcy.
In fact, that would be very fitting.
Fuck BP."

[Edited on June 15, 2010 at 6:24 PM. Reason : 1234]

6/15/2010 6:23:22 PM

^much better.

6/15/2010 10:36:01 PM

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as fucked up as all this is, that is a cool looking picture

6/16/2010 12:22:30 AM

^I was thinking the same thing....

6/16/2010 12:31:06 AM

6/17/2010 10:09:11 AM

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"What eventually will happen is that the blow out preventer will literally tip over if they do not run supports to it as the currents push on it. "

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""Eventually even that will be futile as the well casings cannot support the weight of the massive system above with out the cement bond to the earth and that bond is being eroded away. When enough is eroded away the casings will buckle and the BOP will collapse the well. "

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/06/worst-already-true-BP-well-now-unstoppable

6/17/2010 10:14:09 PM

6/17/2010 10:29:31 PM

And now we have a dead whale in the gulf...

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/666791/

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"On Tuesday, June 15, the NOAA Ship Pisces reported a dead sperm whale floating 77 miles due south of the Deepwater Horizon spill site. NOAA is currently in the process of conducting thorough testing to determine the circumstances surrounding the mammal’s death, as well as collect information about its life. This is the first dead whale reported since BP’s rig exploded on April 20. It was not found in oiled waters; however, its location of death is unknown. As soon as the whale was sighted, Pisces Field Party Chief Paul Felts called the marine mammal hotline to report the finding to the Wildlife Branch of the Unified Command and NOAA’s marine mammal experts. Based on the estimated size of the whale, scientists believe it is a sub-adult. Its condition suggests it may have been dead for between several days to more than a week. Although it was not found in oiled water, NOAA marine mammal experts are using hindcasting analysis to look into the location from which the whale carcass may have drifted. While it is impossible to confirm whether exposure to oil was the cause of death, NOAA is reviewing whether factors such as ship strikes and entanglement can be eliminated. Samples collected from this carcass will be stored under proper protocols and handed off when the Pisces comes to port on July 2, or possibly if another boat is sent to meet the Pisces. Full analysis of the samples will take several weeks. In accordance with the Wildlife Branch protocols, NOAA’s Southeast Regional Marine Mammal Stranding Coordinator Blair Mase requested that the NOAA field crew take photographs of the approximately 25-foot whale, collect skin swab for oil analysis, collect blubber and skin samples for analysis, and measure its height in the water. Although the whale is very decomposed, the photographs and samples will help scientists better understand how long it has been dead. The blubber and skin samples will be used for genetic analysis and to determine the sex of the animal. Measurements of the whale floating in the water will be used to determine how far and how fast it might have floated from where it died. The carcass has been marked so that aerial reconnaissance teams will be able to identify the individual and will not report it as a new mortality. NOAA and the Unified Command Wildlife Branch have had numerous reports of sperm whales seen swimming in the oil, but this is the first confirmed report of a dead whale since the BP oil spill began. NOAA remains concerned about sperm whales, which are the only endangered resident cetaceans in the upper Gulf of Mexico. Sperm whales spend most of their time in the upper Gulf offshore area, live at depth in areas where subsurface dispersants and oil are present, and feed on deepwater squid, which may also be impacted by the oil and dispersants."

6/18/2010 10:09:08 AM

Also, that oily wave photo above? Taken near a place called Orange Beach, Alabama.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/picture/2010/jun/14/bp-oil-spill-oil-spills#

6/18/2010 10:10:28 AM

WE FOUND A DEAD WHALE IN THE OCEAN

THERE'S AN OIL SPILL ALSO IN THE OCEAN

...

OIL KILLED THE WHALE

6/18/2010 10:17:37 AM

^ no one has said that...did you read the article?

6/18/2010 10:20:06 AM

Data something's GOT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeee

6/18/2010 10:20:37 AM

I always just assumed whales sank when they died.

6/18/2010 10:21:06 AM

they do, eventually...once all of the gases escape

6/18/2010 10:22:47 AM

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"^ no one has said that...did you read the article? "

yeah I did, and I was pleasantly surprised to say that they did not officially say the oil spill killed it...yet

i just hate sensationalist headlines

6/18/2010 10:24:18 AM

BP ALSO KILLED DENNIS HOPPER

6/18/2010 12:46:51 PM

By posting the dead whale article in this thread the poster is insinuating that oil had something to do with it...that's pretty obvious.

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"Back in 1979, a Mexican oil well blew out, causing what was then the worst oil disaster in North America. Reason Contributing Editor Glenn Garvin, writing in The Miami Herald, recalls a spill that went uncapped for 10 months and spewed oil 15 inches thick over 150 miles of Texas beaches. Most amazing was the aftermath: "The environment is amazingly resilient, more so than most people understand," says Luis A. Soto, a deep-sea biologist with advanced degrees from Florida State University and the University of Miami who teaches at the National Autonomous University of Mexico. "To be honest, considering the magnitude of the spill, we thought the Ixtoc spill was going to have catastrophic effects for decades. ... But within a couple of years, almost everything was close to 100 percent normal again." That kind of optimism was unthinkable at the time of the spill, which took nearly 10 months to cap. The 30,000 barrels of oil a day it spewed into the ocean obliterated practically every living thing in its path. As it washed ashore, in some zones marine life was reduced by 50 percent; in others, 80 percent. The female population of an already-endangered species of sea turtles known as Kemp's Ridley shrank to 300, perilously close to extinction."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/12/v-fullstory/1677370/ixtoc-offshore-well-gulfs-other.html#ixzz0r33SN9oe

6/18/2010 12:55:52 PM

Drill, baby, drill!

6/18/2010 12:58:04 PM

Fuck you Joe Barton!

http://www.collegenews.com/index.php?/article/twipc_joe_barton_apologizes_to_bp_wtf_0617201037/

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN1724393720100617

6/18/2010 1:03:14 PM

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"“I’m ashamed of what happened in the White House yesterday. I think it is a tragedy of the first proportion that a private corporation can be subjected to what I would characterize as a shakedown. In this case, a $20-billion shakedown with the attorney general of the United States, who is legitimately conducting a criminal investigation and has every right to do so to protect the interests of the American people, participating in what amounts to a $20-billion slush fund. It is unprecedented in our nation’s history.”"

To be fair, maybe he doesn't give a damn about being reelected.

6/18/2010 1:05:01 PM

To be honest:

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"The 60-year-old Texas lawmaker, who later apologized for using the word "shakedown," has collected at least $1.7 million in political contributions from oil and gas interests over the past two decades, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics."

6/18/2010 1:06:31 PM

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"Extreme Enviros: Drill, Baby, Drill in ANWR – Now Do You Get It? Share Wednesday, June 2, 2010 at 3:17pm This is a message to extreme “environmentalists” who hypocritically protest domestic energy production offshore and onshore. There is nothing “clean and green” about your efforts. Look, here’s the deal: when you lock up our land, you outsource jobs and opportunity away from America and into foreign countries that are making us beholden to them. Some of these countries don’t like America. Some of these countries don’t care for planet earth like we do – as evidenced by our stricter environmental standards. With your nonsensical efforts to lock up safer drilling areas, all you’re doing is outsourcing energy development, which makes us more controlled by foreign countries, less safe, and less prosperous on a dirtier planet. Your hypocrisy is showing. You’re not preventing environmental hazards; you’re outsourcing them and making drilling more dangerous. Extreme deep water drilling is not the preferred choice to meet our country’s energy needs, but your protests and lawsuits and lies about onshore and shallow water drilling have locked up safer areas. It’s catching up with you. The tragic, unprecedented deep water Gulf oil spill proves it. We need permission to drill in safer areas, including the uninhabited arctic land of ANWR. It takes just a tiny footprint – equivalent to the size of LA’s airport – to tap America’s rich and plentiful oil and gas up north. ANWR’s drilling footprint is like a postage stamp on a football field. But it’s not just ANWR; it’s our Petroleum Reserve, too. As Governor Sean Parnell noted today in the Wall Street Journal: “Federal agencies are also now blocking oil development in the National Petroleum Reserve—Alaska. Although familiar with ANWR, most Americans are less likely to know about NPR-A and how vital it is to our energy security. Given recent developments, it’s time to elevate the position this area holds in our national discourse. NPR-A, a 23 million acre stretch of Alaska’s North Slope, was set aside by President Warren Harding in 1923 for the specific purpose of supplying our country and military with oil and gas. Since 1976 it has been administered by the Department of the Interior, and since 1980 it has been theoretically open for development. The most recent estimates indicate that it holds 12 billion barrels of oil and 73 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. In addition to containing enormous hydrocarbons, NPR-A is very close to the Trans-Alaska Pipeline, which means that there would be relatively little additional infrastructure needed to bring this new oil to our domestic market. But even here, progress has been stalled.” Radical environmentalists: you are damaging the planet with your efforts to lock up safer drilling areas. There’s nothing clean and green about your misguided, nonsensical radicalism, and Americans are on to you as we question your true motives. - Sarah Palin"

Not sure if this has been quoted in this thread yet but the "drill, baby, drill" reminded me of it.

6/18/2010 1:08:09 PM

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"who teaches at the National Autonomous University of Mexico"

Stopped reading right there, my bullshit/dumb fuck detector went off.

6/18/2010 1:12:53 PM

^^ I thought that speech of her's was pretty lol considering the spill BP was responsible for in Alaska a few years ago.

6/18/2010 1:15:00 PM

BP CEO Tony Hayward Relieved Of Day-To-Day Gulf Duties, Gets Life Back
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bp-ceo-tony-hayward-relieved-of-day-to-day-gulf-duties-gets-life-back/

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"BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg said today in an interview that BP CEO Tony Hayward would be handing over day-to-day gulf clean-up duties to Managing Director Bob Dudley. Looks like Tony gets his life back! In an interview with Sky News, Svanberg was asked if he thought Hayward had done a good job in the 60 days of the oil disaster. “I think he was – everyone believed it was something we could deal with faster,” he said. Then it came to the plan going forward – Hayward, said Svanberg, would be “more at home.” Is this surprising? Not at all – BP was losing the PR battle, in addition to the actual clean-up, and Hayward has been very much at the center of it."

6/18/2010 2:35:13 PM

I feel bad for the guy.

Flame on.

6/18/2010 2:39:20 PM

nothing changes

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_25/b4183016341730.htm?campaign_id=rss_null

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"Oil-Rich Deep Waters Off Brazil Still Beckon Despite the Gulf spill, Petrobras continues to drill offshore By Peter Millard State-controlled Petróleo Brasileiro (PBR) is by far the world's biggest oil producer in waters deeper than 1,000 feet. In 2009, Petrobras, which is based in Rio de Janeiro, pumped 20 percent of all oil from deep waters, according to data compiled by PFC Energy, a petroleum industry consultant. Petrobras' closest deepwater rival is ExxonMobil (XOM), with 13 percent of production. This deepwater dominance leaves Petrobras more exposed than any oil company on the planet to the risk of an accident similar to the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the largest in U.S. history. Undeterred, the company is sticking with its aggressive schedule of deepwater drilling; in June alone, Petrobras found a pool of oil estimated to hold 380 million barrels almost three miles below the ocean floor in Brazil's Campos Basin. Hugo Repsold, an exploration and production manager at Petrobras, says the U.S. moratorium imposed after the Deepwater Horizon spill will not stunt Petrobras' development of offshore fields including Tupi in the South Atlantic deep waters off Brazil, the largest discovery in the Americas since Mexico's Cantarell find in 1976. Petrobras is accelerating investments to more than double oil production by 2020[b] and thus boost economic growth and employment in Latin America's largest economy. "We are using the best practices, the best technology, the best equipment, and we are confident we can keep drilling all these wells, performing with the necessary safety and environmental care," Repsold says. "The [Brazilian] public, they support these efforts." [b]Petrobras may even try to hire badly needed drilling rigs at a discount now that the U.S. has curbed deepwater drilling in the Gulf, according to Rebecca Rosen of PFC. "It is very likely that rig contractors will at least try to move rigs out of the Gulf of Mexico," Rosen says. "An overflow of rigs in Brazil would certainly favor Petrobras in its ability to reduce rates." Rosen figures 40 percent of the rigs in the Gulf are able to operate in Brazil. Petrobras declined to comment on plans to hire rigs leaving the Gulf. Industry analysts and Petrobras' suppliers say the company maintains quality and safety standards that meet and often exceed those of its peers, including BP, which operated the oil well whose rupture continues to contaminate the Gulf coast. The U.S. will split up the federal regulator, the Minerals Management Service, following accusations it was too lenient in letting the oil industry monitor offshore drilling itself. In contrast, Brazil's Agência Nacional do Petróleo, or ANP, has long kept a much closer eye on operators, says Cleveland M. Jones, a professor of geology at the Universidade do Estado do Rio de Janeiro. "Almost every step of the exploration process up to production is monitored, and reports are sent out regularly about procedures that are undertaken, so there is less self-monitoring here than in the Gulf of Mexico," says Jones, who has done extensive research on Brazil's deepwater oil basins. Still, Brazil can't escape the risks of drilling wells miles below the ocean floor that penetrate reservoirs where temperatures reach 390F (198C). "[Petrobras] is talking about a large expansion that will substantially increase the possibility, just by probabilities, that accidents could happen," says Christopher Palmer, who oversees $5 billion in emerging market stocks, for Gartmore Investment Management in London. Petrobras, which started drilling offshore in 1968, has suffered accidents, too. The deadliest was in 1984, when 36 workers died evacuating a burning platform. Eleven workers died in 2001 when a platform exploded and sank into the Atlantic off Rio. Still, Petrobras has little choice but to stay the course: Ninety percent of its proven reserves lie in the deep waters off Brazil. The bottom line: The BP catastrophe has prompted a drilling moratorium in the Gulf. Undeterred, Petrobras is aggressively drilling in even deeper water."

hey guess who is lending brazil the money to do it??

WE ARE

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

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"You read that headline correctly. Unfortunately, the Obama Administration is financing oil exploration off Brazil. The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil's state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil's planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. The U.S. Export-Import Bank tells us it has issued a "preliminary commitment" letter to Petrobras in the amount of $2 billion and has discussed with Brazil the possibility of increasing that amount. Ex-Im Bank says it has not decided whether the money will come in the form of a direct loan or loan guarantees. Either way, this corporate foreign aid may strike some readers as odd, given that the U.S. Treasury seems desperate for cash and Petrobras is one of the largest corporations in the Americas. But look on the bright side. If President Obama has embraced offshore drilling in Brazil, why not in the old U.S.A.? The land of the sorta free and the home of the heavily indebted has enormous offshore oil deposits, and last year ahead of the November elections, with gasoline at $4 a gallon, Congress let a ban on offshore drilling expire. The Bush Administration's five-year plan (2007-2012) to open the outer continental shelf to oil exploration included new lease sales in the Gulf of Mexico. But in 2007 environmentalists went to court to block drilling in Alaska and in April a federal court ruled in their favor. In May, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said his department was unsure whether that ruling applied only to Alaska or all offshore drilling. So it asked an appeals court for clarification. Late last month the court said the earlier decision applied only to Alaska, opening the way for the sale of leases in the Gulf. Mr. Salazar now says the sales will go forward on August 19. This is progress, however slow. But it still doesn't allow the U.S. to explore in Alaska or along the East and West Coasts, which could be our equivalent of the Tupi oil fields, which are set to make Brazil a leading oil exporter. Americans are right to wonder why Mr. Obama is underwriting in Brazil what he won't allow at home."

face palm

6/18/2010 3:06:25 PM

I bitched about that in TSB a few months ago (citing the WSJ article). Nobody seemed to care.

6/18/2010 3:12:55 PM

^^ But that's typical American style, though. As long as it isn't happening to them, they don't give a shit.

Chevron and Shell have been assfucking Africa with oil spills for the past two decades, but you haven't heard a blip about it.

Hell, I bet that if this oil was simply leaking into the gulf but not approaching the precious beaches, no one would give half the shit they're giving now either.

6/18/2010 3:19:07 PM

i read some calculation that if this thing bleeds out, it can continue gushing for 2-4 years

im going to bet on it being closer to 4.

6/19/2010 10:03:54 PM

If it bleeds we can kill it.

6/19/2010 10:05:01 PM

I read another calculation that said that the amount that it's gushing out per day...


...is the total amount of gasoline that we used every FOUR MINUTES.

Fuck, we're addicted.

6/19/2010 10:05:47 PM

^^^^ Is there some kind of point you're trying to make that's buried beneath your self-righteous B.S.?

[Edited on June 19, 2010 at 10:06 PM. Reason : ^]

6/19/2010 10:05:49 PM

define "use" does that mean for highway use?

petroleum is in damn near everything we use. i dont understand where the 4min calculation came from, has to be for vehicles? seems impossible to calculate how much we actually use in a defined timeframe

6/19/2010 10:09:21 PM

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"But that's typical American style, though. As long as it isn't happening to them, they don't give a shit. Chevron and Shell have been assfucking Africa with oil spills for the past two decades, but you haven't heard a blip about it. Hell, I bet that if this oil was simply leaking into the gulf but not approaching the precious beaches, no one would give half the shit they're giving now either."

Yep pretty much. NIMBY what what!

6/19/2010 11:11:53 PM

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"If it bleeds we can kill it."

lol, had to give you props for that line.

6/19/2010 11:32:02 PM