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6/21/2010 3:22:32 PM

6/21/2010 3:23:55 PM

6/21/2010 3:24:02 PM

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"not deeper, but there's more resistance because the edge is biased against the direction of the force plus, ice is harder than turf which makes the bite even more effective also, consider that this is a roundabout response to the silly friction argument"

plus, just think about it

hockey players are moving faster than football players but can still stop and change direction faster than football players can

6/21/2010 3:24:49 PM

after spearing and helmet to helmet was outlawed I would say Hockey has harder hits

6/21/2010 3:31:46 PM

Yes, I can see how a hockey player moves faster. I'm having trouble seeing how the edges are ground into the ice and give them more resistance, because that's entirely against why ice skates work in the first place. There's negligible surface area contact when comparing an ice skate to the bottom of a cleat.

Unless you're talking about someone literally digging their spikes into the ice, in which case you gotta compare likewise to a football player doing the thing with his cleats.

6/21/2010 3:37:21 PM

btw Hockey would be much more brutal if the wall wasn't 3ft tall

6/21/2010 3:40:08 PM

skates work by digging into the ice very sharply for a push

you glide with the other foot

but the pushing foot doesn't move until you start to pick it up, at which point it's no longer providing force

and even in the case of digging in the skate creates more resistance...that's why a hockey player can stop and change direction more quickly than a football player moving at the same speed

6/21/2010 3:41:01 PM

in other words, soccer is more of a pussy sport than both football and hockey

6/21/2010 3:54:22 PM

maybe i missed something. why are we complaining about one sport to two non related sports?

i.e. A is so much more brutal than B!

but B is so much worse than C!

but we agree that A and B are better than C!

and then we all go watch baseball cause thats american

6/21/2010 3:56:55 PM

So, instead of discussing soccer, which I guess everyone by now agrees is a pussy sport, we are comparing highlight reel hits from football and soccer.

Ok, so the thin ice skate is dug a little into the ice to provide enough force to move on a frictionless surface. I don't see where that's going. I'd say hits on a football player with a planted foot are much more likely to create a severe injury than a hit on a hockey player with a planted skate. We are going on anecdotal evidence, right? There's more surface area between the cleat on the field (plus all the spikes going into the ground) than there is with the single ice skate on the ice.

You may also have two feet on the ground. Regardless, there's more stability for the football player to absorb the impact than the hockey player on the frictionless surface. A hockey player will get flattened very easily because he has no way to brace himself, and the force is used to fling him through the air. Impressive, yes. Football players have to rely on their stability and contact with the ground to take the impact head on.

In addition, you have a difference in how the forces are being applied. [Granted, I've never checked someone on ice] If I'm not mistaken, and I believe I'm not by watching these clips, the hockey player zooms along on his skates without digging into the ice and smashes another player. Big hit, but there's no driving force, and if they do its minimal due to the single ice skate. A football player, on the other hand, uses his speed, an extra dig into the turf, and the enhanced stability of the cleats in the turf to use his entire body and lower the boom.

Of course, we are comparing two very different systems and only with anecdotal evidence, so there's only so many conclusions we can make from all of this speculation.

I've spent too much time on this and am going to do something productive

[Basing this on how football players get injured, such as myself when I got hit from the side when my foot was planted and I tore my ACL]

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 4:01 PM. Reason : []]

6/21/2010 3:59:55 PM

soccer blows for all reasons other than athletic ability

in fact, id say if the soccer games had more unathletic white guys in them it would probably get a few more viewers than bowling

which is on ESPN while soccer generally is not

soccer players are in such good shape they can be boring for 90 minutes

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 4:04 PM. Reason : d]

6/21/2010 4:03:31 PM

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"BLOWS FOR ALL"

6/21/2010 4:04:04 PM

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"soccer blows for all reasons other than athletic ability"

why?

6/21/2010 4:05:12 PM

you're thinking about the skate in the wrong way

when the skate edges are parallel to the direction of motion, the surface is essentially frictionless

but the actual act of skating is done by placing the blade at an angle to the direction of motion and pushing off

that push is much stronger than a regular running push because of the vertical angle of the foot to the ice...the length of the effective push from the leg is much longer than it is when running

additionally, because of the way the skates are cut the outside of the edge doesn't work at all in the way the inside does, if you were standing flatfooted and hit from the side the outside edge would catch much easier than a cleat would hang in the ground

6/21/2010 4:05:40 PM

#3 up there for spain has been beaten all day.... poor bastard (he really has, had to have anti-coagulant spray in his mouth for bleeding), has a bandage on his temple already, the cockpiece ball strike etc)

6/21/2010 4:07:46 PM

6/21/2010 4:08:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgclANcQqKM

6/21/2010 4:09:46 PM

Its part of their game. They benefit from diving and being wimps, so they might as well do it.

6/21/2010 4:11:16 PM

6/21/2010 4:13:21 PM

because it is boring
because these fuckers flop around and waste time
because I feel it should be a little more difficult to wind up with a tied score
because i feel it is a third world sport, and it becomes a first world problem when i am bombarded with it on my television
because of the violent fans and violence towards players and coaches, and other fans...not a sport where i would take the kids on a nice weekend. who the hell thows bags of containing bodily humours in any other sport?
because of the pathetic and arbitrary referring
because I feel like its not a sport for adults or even adolescents to participate in
because while it is athletic, i just dont see the skill, in fact i dont understand how trained soccer players can continue to miss the goal by 25 feet consistently or how they can just run past the ball as they are kicking it; also where is the skill in penalty kicking? I kick right or i kick left, maybe youll block to the right, or maybe youll block to the left...o no it doesnt matter dang it because i just missed the goal by 15 feet

BECAUSE USA AINT #1

6/21/2010 4:15:40 PM

Look God, the problem with what you're asking, is you gotta answer why. Some people are satisfied with the answer "Soccer is boring because it usually ends in a tie." That satisfies most people, they understand the context and deeper meaning. They understand that sports are meant to compete to declare victory. It is understood by most people.

But when you explain a why question you have to assume that the person is in the framework to understand the basis of the question. You take someone who is out of the framework and context of sports, for example you. Why do people compete? Well, they want to have a challenge, a drive in life. Why do they want to win? Because some people wish to show their dominance, or they want to succeed. Why do they want to dominate or succeed?

And you see you get a very intricate and complex background to the question why, and if you try to follow something up you get deeper and deeper in various directions. Why are they called pussies? Well, pussies are people that get hit and act like a little bitch. Why do they act like a little bitch? Well because they are trying to evoke a reaction from the refs. Why? Why? You can either say 'well, refs can be bought and can be corrupt.' And then you get into a very sticky situation, because then you have to explain the intricacies of politics, international relations, and eventually you get into history, racism, hell even how currency work.s

And you see, you can not simply understand the answer we give you. You have to know what it is that you are permitted to know and what you are not permitted to know. You notice that as we go deeper with this explanation you get more interesting and even into why mankind strives and the urge for life. With someone who does not understand the framework of sport, or competition, or not being a pussy, this question becomes very hard to explain and nearly impossible, and all we can say it is because soccer is a pussy sport.

So we are not going to be able to tell you why soccer is a pussy sport except that we tell you that it is.

(tl;dr just watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM )

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 4:18 PM. Reason : lkj]

6/21/2010 4:17:26 PM

BigHitSunday wins.

6/21/2010 4:17:50 PM

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"because it is boring"

I hear this all the time but with no explanation. Why?

And I think the other questions just really show a lack of knowledge about soccer. Especially the part about missing the goal and penalty kicks.

6/21/2010 4:18:00 PM

People always complain about ties, and it's a bullshit reason.

The only time ties are allowed is during the group stage of the World Cup or during the regular season of a league. Championship games or games to decide the overall winner always end with a decided winner.

If you understand the way a point system works for a league or a tournament, you'll understand how ties work into the system. You get 3 points for a win, 1 for a tie, and 0 for a loss. Thus, it's possible for a team that would normally be expected to lose to actually "win" the game by playing defensively to a tie (see USA vs England in their opening game).

And with this point system it makes the tournament experience much more exciting, because your team ends up having to depend on other teams to do badly depending on how you performed. If you're tied with another team in points, you may need to bank on that team losing for you to advance.

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 4:21 PM. Reason : ]

6/21/2010 4:20:42 PM

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"I hear this all the time but with no explanation. Why?"

not enough scoring

in fact, sometimes no scoring at all

the reason basketball adopted a shot clock was because it was boring as shit when one team would score a basket, get the ball back, and play keep away for the rest of the game

6/21/2010 4:21:06 PM

i know what a missed goal looks like

that doesnt require any specific field of knowledge

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"Thus, it's possible for a team that would normally be expected to lose to actually "win" the game by playing defensively to a tie (see USA vs England in their opening game). "

and why the fuck is that acceptable, and how the hell does that make sense

you shouldnt have to use quotations around the word "win"



[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 4:22 PM. Reason : l]

6/21/2010 4:21:13 PM

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"i know what a missed goal looks like that doesnt require any specific field of knowledge"

You have no idea how difficult it is to take a shot, apparently.

6/21/2010 4:22:02 PM

except knowing how hard you have to take a penalty to beat a quality goalkeeper

and how difficult it is to hit the target at that speed

playing for a draw to put yourself in a better position later in the group is the same as playing zone defense in a basketball game to keep the score low

6/21/2010 4:22:39 PM

anyone who would pick soccer of hockey needs help. serious.

6/21/2010 4:24:24 PM

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"and why the fuck is that acceptable"

because of the way the point system works in the tournament or league, as I previously explained.

This is much more of a dynamic system than simple win/lose/draw, because at the end, simply the top teams in points advance. There's none of that "BCS STANDINGS BOWL DRAW" crap to deal with.

I think you've taken a little too many blows to the head during your TAPOUT® sessions.

6/21/2010 4:24:37 PM

I know how the skate works, and I get that hockey players move very fast. Apparently you didn't read any of my post and must simply be trolling or something.

^You need to read my post as well, I explain things very clearly

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 4:26 PM. Reason : ^]

6/21/2010 4:26:03 PM

I cannot wait until most if not all games end in a 0-0 tie in the first round... then their system is fucked

6/21/2010 4:26:08 PM

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"There's none of that "BCS STANDINGS BOWL DRAW" crap to deal with."

MLB, NHL, NFL, NBA, NCAABB, FCS Football, D2 Football, D3 Football all have "real" standings that determine postseason, etc

Way to take the ONE sport with arbitrary rankings and try to convince everyone that a "3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, 0 points for a loss" system is somehow better than the setups in MLB, NHL, NFL, NBA, NCAABB, FCS Football, D2 Football, D3 Football

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"because at the end, simply the top teams in points advance"

here is an idea: how about the teams that win advance

6/21/2010 4:26:44 PM

why are you bringing up BCS and Tapout apparel lines??

the point is, they make all these fancy tournament set ups when in fact there should be a winner and a loser

BCS and MMA have nothing to do with it, i havent mention MMA or how many blws i may or may not have received so why are you

can you not just talk about your own sport?

who the fuck said i like the BCS?

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 4:28 PM. Reason : f]

6/21/2010 4:27:38 PM

*shrug* If you don't like it, don't watch. I don't see why you have to shout it from the rooftops, though. It's just annoying. I'm tired of arguing with you. It's like talking to a doorknob.

6/21/2010 4:28:45 PM

because someone asked me why dickhead

imagine the fact that I answer the question instead of bringing up MMA and some random clothing lines and collegiate football

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 4:29 PM. Reason : f]

6/21/2010 4:29:09 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM

6/21/2010 4:29:35 PM

^I originally posted that video in other thread you fucking idiot. I've seen it already.

6/21/2010 4:29:55 PM

Does Tree not know how NHL standings work

I don't think he does

6/21/2010 4:30:09 PM

I'm just posting it to make you understand why its so frustrating for you to try and understand why soccer sucks.

6/21/2010 4:31:05 PM

In America at least, soccer is the sport for little kids who can't play other sports. Because they can basically stand around and be lazy as shit and still do OK.

6/21/2010 4:31:07 PM

the NHL gives points for ties (when they had them) and overtime losses

^ baseball too..fat kid is backup right field

6/21/2010 4:31:07 PM

Charles Barkley's take on soccer players

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5EJ95CHtTY#t=16s

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"Does Tree not know how NHL standings work I don't think he does"

yes i do, and there are no ties...you get a point for simply getting to overtime...and btw, the NHL has a pretty stupid way of keeping track of wins, losses and making it to overtime too

6/21/2010 4:31:31 PM

and all you need is a shopping cart, an old clothes basket, and something that can somewhat roll upon kicking to have a soccer game



you can find that shit in any dumpster or chicken farm

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 4:32 PM. Reason : f]

6/21/2010 4:32:07 PM

hahaha, TT

^and that's why its such a popular sport in the rest of the world

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 4:32 PM. Reason : ^]

6/21/2010 4:32:12 PM

Also, college basketball postseason isn't determined absolutely by wins and losses

6/21/2010 4:32:16 PM

the beautiful game

6/21/2010 4:33:32 PM

"YOU PLAY TO 'TIE' THE GAME"

6/21/2010 4:33:51 PM

YOU PLAY

NOT TO LOSE

THE GAME

6/21/2010 4:34:26 PM