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" Ahmet, to me rev happy is how quickly the revs go up and how quickly they go down."

Lol

That's called a 5oz flywheel.

12/1/2010 9:14:18 PM

I has heavy fly wheel ( builds boost well tho)

12/1/2010 9:30:53 PM

^^ speaks the truth. That's what I'm saying. You even said it yourself, it feels like you really shouldn't be doing it, this is different than say a GT3, ever been in one of those? You look for any excuse to shift at redline, and to a lesser degree a regular 996, but I submit even an e36 M3 feels much more happy to be used across it's rev range than an e46 M3. Maybe I say that in part because I just don't like the e46 M3, I feel like I should own one just to work my beef out, but c'mon I'd literally rather drive a DSG Audi A3 than an e46 M3, I just can't seem to warm up to them.

Re: Subaru, if they don't change their tune very soon, I don't think they're likely to ever change course, it may be wise to just start taking care of the car yourself. Kind of sucks, but I can see where they're coming from, just disagree with the final verdict. The right thing for Subaru to do moving forward would be cover this car (and those like it) under warranty, and make sure they put an oil level warning as well as a useful warning light for the oil pressure.

12/1/2010 9:56:22 PM

Well, yes a light flywheel will make it rev happy and S54 has lighter flywheel from S52. I wasn't aware we are talking about what components make it revvable, just telling you what I consider to be universal feeling of revvable engine, irrespective of rev range. To me that is how quickly and how eagerly it gets up there.

S52 was far smoother to redline than S54 simply because it wasn't as violent and powerful, but it certainly felt sluggish and heavy when you match the revs on downshifts. I could almost feel through gas pedal the parasitic drag/whine of belts/pulleys and heavy flywheel. To me that means it does not like to rev! If we are talking about in terms of smoothness, hell my mom's '98 Lexus ES300 is the most rev happy engine. I think you guys are mistaking engine noise/vibration, exhaust note with feeling that car does not like to rev. I will agree that for someone who hasn't driven E46 for length of time, it will feel like car is breaking apart when you rev it up. With a bit more quieter and less free flowing exhaust E46 would probably feel smoother.

I have not driven A3 or 996 so I can't speak for them.

anyway, not going to hijack this thread ...

12/1/2010 11:57:49 PM

rev happy to me is hitting the revlimiter and thinking 'ah damn it I have to shift'

12/2/2010 12:36:04 AM

yeah... to me its that dyno curve not falling off on the big end.

that being said get your weak BMW shit outta here.

12/2/2010 6:48:55 AM

Sucks but I can see where they are coming from and if they open it up to cover it, the put themselves in a position where they would have to cover people who are actually abusing the car and the like.
And to clarify the oil usage it is not "burning" the oil it is likely pulling it in via the PCV system, traditionally burning would be a failure in the valve seals or rings. usually the oil consumption on these is PCV, or oil seal on the turbo.

Even with the best of built motors, you will still use some oil on the turbo car, and have to keep an eye on it.

12/2/2010 6:52:19 AM

Honestly it will cost some money to fix but, with the new long block the car should be rock solid. I wouldn't get rid if it if I were you. They are beautiful (in a non traditional way) fast and fun slap some sways on the car crank the boost and enjoy it.

12/2/2010 2:40:20 PM

Looked like last week was a bad week. A local nasioc member blew his trubo and ruined his engine at VIR in his Sti.

[Edited on December 2, 2010 at 3:24 PM. Reason : ]

12/2/2010 3:23:13 PM

what year? what turbo?

12/2/2010 5:40:16 PM

write a letter to corporate

12/3/2010 12:42:39 AM

SMSJ

12/3/2010 12:48:34 AM

Quote :

"what year? what turbo?"

2006 STI

stock turbo

12/3/2010 5:16:31 PM

FUCK SUBARU. THEY DO MAKE SOME JUNK. THEY ARE ALSO...NO FUCK IT. I WAS GOING TO EXPOUND ABOUT MY DEALING WITH NATIONAL CUSTOMER SERVICE TODAY. IT WILL DO NO GOOD.

I'M SELLING THIS SHIT ASAP. GERMAN FROM HERE ON OUT, OR POSSIBLY MITSUBISHI SO I CAN REALLY FEEL LIKE I'M STICKING IT TO SCREWBARU.

YEAH I JUST MADE THAT SHIT UP. HOW BOSS IS THAT SHIT. "SCREWBARU". SPREAD THE WORD PEOPLE!

SMSMFJ IF I DO SAY SO MYSELF.

12/3/2010 5:31:06 PM

12/3/2010 5:37:08 PM

Doesn't EVOs and Mitsu have their own warranty voiding issues?

Sucks that Subaru stuck you in the cold like that though

12/3/2010 6:17:23 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YSDyI6shFE

12/3/2010 6:18:21 PM

^LOL

this one squirts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ophrmr39VQI

12/3/2010 6:22:06 PM

at about 0:18 you can his moan of anguish as his motor blows up

12/3/2010 6:31:45 PM

lol, Squirt's

12/3/2010 6:36:49 PM

Ummm so Mitsubishi has glass transmission issues...and just launches seem to be the cause of that. Some people claim 5th gear is weak in the MRs, but driven properly this seems not to be the case.

In short yes they do deny warranty claims in the same fashion. The determinate to me would be the rate at which people experience failures. From what I know it's nothing close to STIs; more specifically the '08.

12/3/2010 6:39:20 PM

ok i'm sorry to get mean bigt, you seem like a nice fella and everything but you were warned and you even said "i know the 08 sti's have problems" it was a bad year, and you said mehh its no big deal it won't happen to me. Well it did... and worse yet you gave them a reason by not checking your oil frequently and having the car towed there with low oil. Is it shitty yes... it sucks that subaru didn't replace the car on a warranty claim. That being said... you pissed in a pitbull's face and didn't even take precaution to make sure you were out of its reach.
Build the engine put larger turbo on it crank the boost up and... enjoy the platform.

Yep subaru made some junk i have shitty pistons, you have shitty rod bearings FIX IT. You bought the damned car cash right? So why are you worried about it ? Head over to turbo time have them build you something pretty and move forward... If you break something build it better.

go see turbo time or http://www.rallispec.com/prod_block.htm

that's just my .02 course you can do what you want but i'd rather have a great platform and a blown motor then the same boring german stuff everyone else drives.... unless you can swing getting a 911 turbo then ditch the Subaru lol

12/3/2010 10:02:38 PM

I'd like to point out that oil was changed under 2500 miles ago, and it WAS checked under 600 miles ago. That's beside the point though, all cars have failures they CAN suffer from, but most don't. I think it's reasonable to assume that you're not likely to get hit by a problem that only effects a tiny % of cars sold, particularly on a non modified car...

12/3/2010 11:07:58 PM

the sti 08 year was notorious for being a horrible engine grenading year. Anyone that bought in that year basically was taking a gamble. I am surprised at how bad it is and why Subaru has not really done anything about it.

If you buy an EVO just make sure you pay attention to your research. My favorite is the wing paint fade.

12/4/2010 1:37:08 AM

some of you guys recommended in my "Looking to get a new(er) car." thread that I get a Subaru...after what BigT is going through, I'm not sure...

12/4/2010 2:28:31 AM

bigT,

You should push this issue further. Don't give up. Call again and again and again and again and again. Write letters. Something has to give. Hire a lawyer.

12/4/2010 3:44:52 AM

Look, there's nothing wrong with subarus.

So one engine out of how many people blows. I know it sucks. But it's not their reputation that they build shitty cars. There's a reason you don't see any other AWD types at most of our races. They make solid ass cars.

It's like Honda and their V6 transmission issues. There is no reason NOT to buy a Subaru, unless you're a pansy.

It truly sucks what happened. I agree with Ahmet. There really should have been no reason for him to check his oil every 2 days. It's a 2008 car for crying out loud. I feel he got shafted. And I feel he can get it resolved if he keeps fighting.

Btw an sti the engine isn't Cheap. He can't just go throw a built one in there. Unless of course he's made of money. And even if he does. There's no more warranty so he's out on that as well. If you can, def fight it hard. If not let someone buy it from you and fight it for you if you don't want to.

12/4/2010 8:39:12 AM

I'm still fighting this. A leak down test will probably be next after Subaru gets back to me and tells me personally they agree with the verdict. Ahmet thinks a ringland may have caused the oil issue, which opens up a whole new ballgame. I'm not done fighting, I'm simple done with the car.

There is no way I'm doing a built motor. A built block is so much more than a used replacement or something like that. All parties that we've asked confirm that Fuji steel is garbage, and that the block probably isn't salvageable even with very minimal bearing material.

The difficult part about finding the cheapest way to fix this is the labor required to break down the block. It's 18 hours...

12/4/2010 10:26:02 AM

after you get it covered by warranty. you should ghost ride it into SOA headquarters.

12/4/2010 10:57:46 AM

Good luck man i hope everything works out. i will agree that the factory steel block liners are junk. I have a " ohh fuck i blew my motor fund" cause i'm pretty sure i'll be on the waiting list after i go uppipe down pipe and vf52 @18 psi.... Although my car does have 125,000 miles on it so it should have gone by now if it was going to. Part of me thinks all their issues come from not straight enough bores casing aluminum around thin steel sleeves just seems to be asking for warped sleeves.

12/4/2010 11:48:11 AM

damn, good luck, dude. def don't give up, this situation is beyond ridiculous.

12/4/2010 12:24:48 PM

I woudl disagree on the block, I have seen some pretty bad shit and the block is either overboreable, or honeable.
the crank is probably toast.

It could be ringlands, but I do not think so, but I will not completely rule it out.

12/4/2010 6:43:58 PM

Totally sucks T...kick their ass

12/6/2010 10:29:17 AM

Cheapest way to fix it is either a used shortblock, or a STI shortblock (around 1900)

12/6/2010 5:58:52 PM

Today i saw smoke coming through my hood scoop that smelled like burning antifreeze and oil and my check engine light came on....

i said AWWW FUCK i blew something playing in the snow yesterday....


Turns out a piece of insulation off the fender that had both of those spilled on it came loose and was hanging on the header... and the gas cap was loose causing a CEL whew... bullet dodged.

Needless to say i need a new pair of panties... my built engine fund isn't quite where it needs to be yet.

12/6/2010 8:24:20 PM

Well.

My thoughts are.

If you are going to have a turbo car that you want to do dumb shit to. Have a NA car that you can keep stock and alwayscan afford to fix.

Has worked out pretty well for me so far. Considering my Turbo car is on jack stands right now and my NA car gets everything done that I need

[Edited on December 6, 2010 at 8:39 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2010 8:38:24 PM

lol yeah i have a 1999 zuchinni esteem

12/6/2010 8:42:07 PM

I had a similar situation last year, smoke rolling out from scoop

a CV boot had split and threw grease on the downpipe... $15 boot and i was back in business.

12/6/2010 10:38:08 PM

Purgatory. Subaru is forever "getting back to me" at this point. Whenever I call Subaru of America I am at least calling a specific person. No longer am I relegated to customer service.

12/8/2010 9:31:46 AM

Good Luck, dude.

12/8/2010 10:11:54 AM

Yeah good luck man.

12/8/2010 11:33:46 AM

So after an entire week of phone conversations with Kevin Shumaker at SOA, he was convinced that a ringland issue (shout out to Ahmet) should be explored concerning the oil issue. He and the area parts and service manager, Kelly, determined that a leak down test should be performed. The findings showed that cylinder #2 was lacking pressure. Kevin and Kelly agreed that the bottom end was malfunctioning to the degree that the engine should at least be broken down. If Subaru then finds that there is still no materials or manufacturing malfunction it is up to me to have the car pieced back together.

At the worst, Subaru is paying for half of the incredibly extensive labor necessary to fix the car. This is huge, and I've been on a fucking high sense I got off the phone not too long ago. I feel like I've been given the upper hand, and my sitting, waiting, worrying, and climbing the SOA ladder has been validated.

They might not cover this under warranty, but they certainly are covering a large portion of the costs at this point.



[Edited on December 9, 2010 at 5:19 PM. Reason : ]

12/9/2010 5:12:23 PM

^awesome man

12/9/2010 5:15:20 PM

YAY GO BIG T!!!!

12/9/2010 5:26:20 PM

Damn, Nice.

12/9/2010 5:49:24 PM

Dude, I'm so excited, you don't even know!

12/9/2010 7:35:54 PM

congrats......at least Subaru is doing something right for this (of course they should warranty the whole damn thing)

12/9/2010 9:49:19 PM

Nice!

Hopefully everything works out in your favor.

Keep giving them hell.

12/9/2010 10:06:01 PM

SWEET

git'r dun

12/10/2010 8:47:51 AM

ask for pics of the pistons and pics of the bearings. post said pics on Tdub

[Edited on December 10, 2010 at 9:59 AM. Reason : let's see the carnage]

12/10/2010 9:58:41 AM