is the privacy the nudity thing?


and how dangerous are they really? (as compared to the other unhealthy things we do ...what about the xrays at the dentest or if you go the doctor or tanning beds etc etc...just thinking about radiation here)

11/16/2010 12:14:55 PM

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"and how dangerous are they really? (as compared to the other unhealthy things we do ...what about the xrays at the dentest or if you go the doctor or tanning beds etc etc...just thinking about radiation here)"

i don't know the answer to this, but i imagine the concern is more for those who fly frequently and will be subjected to it on a regular basis

11/16/2010 12:17:18 PM

As someone who has to go through security every day, I have not had to yet use these machines, even at the airports that have them - which seems to be almost everyone I've been to.

When I am eventually forced to, I am going to make it as painful as possible for the TSA. People have mentioned that you can opt out of the AIT scan, but they left out the fact that you can opt for a private area away from the public for your grope down. At the suggestion of my union I'm going to take this road, mostly in form of protest.

Personally, I don't care too much about some dude looking at my balls, or grabbing my junk, besides the extreme inconvenience and waste of my time, but I definitely understand the attached implications and it's utter bullshit. But mostly it makes a lot of sense that I have to go through all this shit and then I get to lock a door behind me and control a multi-ton rocket propelled fuel tank, loaded with dozens of people.


And lol at BigHitSunday calling the TSA professional. Most of them have an IQ of 70 and don't, or just barely do their jobs. For every 1 professional TSA agent there are 5 I wouldn't trust in a swimming pool.

11/16/2010 12:23:24 PM

so i see that the average person gets about 350 mrem a year just from the environment and foods etc.


the average dental x ray is about 2-3 mrem

and judging from what ive seen here the scanner is .003 (am i reading this right?!?!??!?!?!? maybe we should boycott x rays)

tell me im wrong (i just kinda googled and compared several sites so it could be very wrong.....someone with more knowledge tell me)

11/16/2010 12:25:40 PM

make sure you call them a cocklooker. i assume someone already said this though.

11/16/2010 12:36:32 PM

man i think joie is freakin awesome

she fuckin gets it, she always does i just realized that now

11/16/2010 1:02:25 PM

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"When I am eventually forced to, I am going to make it as painful as possible for the TSA. People have mentioned that you can opt out of the AIT scan, but they left out the fact that you can opt for a private area away from the public for your grope down. "

I'm split on this. While you can get your own room, its almost like you're hiding the fact that the TSA does this in exchange for making it take more time for them.

I've also read several accounts of people saying that their belongings were left outside of their view and had items stolen, like iPods and such. I'm not sure if this applies for the private screening or not.

11/16/2010 1:14:05 PM

If it was exactly as the government promised it would be...some anonymous person sitting in an isolated room by themselves with no ability to capture/store those images, then I doubt there would be a whole lot of hoopla (sadly). Unfortunately, Napolitano has already lied through her teeth multiple times about the above mentioned situations.

I'll actually be flying from RDU down to Florida on the unofficial "opt out" day, and I fully intend on opting out, and making it as uncomfortable as possible for whatever stooge decides to give me the physical.

Also, I feel the need to repost the videos from the pat down on children, since most people seemed to skip right over them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6pJ7nP1yA

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/TSA_Screener_Accosts_3_Year_Old_Child_at_Security_Checkpoint

11/16/2010 1:19:06 PM

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"making it as uncomfortable as possible for whatever stooge decides to give me the physical"

you're not their first, you won't be their last

they're not going to be uncomfortable

11/16/2010 1:27:05 PM

they will when I fart on their hand

11/16/2010 1:30:13 PM

why make it difficult for the people that are just doin their fucking jobs

is it gonan make you feel that damn tough, do you need that spice in your life or some shit

make a meaningful protest; dont fly, write somebody that gives a shit, picket outside of the airport who cares its america

but dont walk up in there intent on fboarding a plane and be a little ornery prick for the men and women are just working citizens like you and I.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 1:34 PM. Reason : g]

11/16/2010 1:32:41 PM

^ no, no, it's obviously the TSA workers' faults that they're being required to do this and some douchebags need something to complain about

11/16/2010 1:34:49 PM

http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans

11/16/2010 1:35:53 PM

Everybody gets all up in arms over extra airport security when it affects non-brown people.

11/16/2010 1:37:45 PM

^^ wait if that is the image that people see and not the HD one i have no prob.

11/16/2010 1:41:14 PM

from the link he posted

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"the fidelity of the scans from this machine are of surprisingly low resolution, especially compared to the higher resolution "naked scanners" using the potentially harmful x-ray backscatter technology"

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 1:47 PM. Reason : d]

11/16/2010 1:47:19 PM

i cant wait to get my hands on robin meade's scanner pics

11/16/2010 1:50:33 PM

Also didn't see it yet but was on the news here.

A local Diegan:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1329923/John-Tyner-ejected-San-Diego-airport-refusing-invasive-security-check.html

11/16/2010 1:52:58 PM

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"A Gizmodo investigation has revealed 100 of the photographs saved by the Gen 2 millimeter wave scanner from Brijot Imaging Systems, Inc., obtained by a FOIA request after it was recently revealed that U.S. Marshals operating the machine in the Orlando, Florida courthouse had improperly-perhaps illegally-saved images of the scans of public servants and private citizens. We understand that it will be controversial to release these photographs. But identifying features have been eliminated. And fortunately for those who walked through the scanner in Florida last year, this mismanaged machine used the less embarrassing imaging technique."

The machine is old, the new scanners are much more revealing. This article just goes to show that you can't trust the "the pics aren't stored" argument.

11/16/2010 1:55:57 PM

Also isn't it technically pedophilia for children if they are getting scanned?

man that would be tough for parents do they let their children get grouped or seen naked

11/16/2010 1:57:14 PM

I just hate the scanners b/c it clogs the security line up full of people hemming and hawing over whether they want to go through it or not.

11/16/2010 2:00:54 PM

^^^^ Was posted a couple pages back.

11/16/2010 2:06:02 PM

A bunch of idiots who are "just doin their fucking jobs" doesn't make anything they do right. If, for instance, a bunch of police officers started arresting someone for a victimless crime, I'm going to hassle the arresting officer(s) for doing so. Whether or not they are "just doin their fucking job" doesn't change the fact that their job is asking them to do something that I, and evidently many more people, see as unethical.

tl;dr - Yeah, I'm still gonna hassle those goons.

11/16/2010 2:08:12 PM

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"If, for instance, a bunch of police officers started arresting someone for a victimless crime, I'm going to hassle the arresting officer(s) for doing so."

you'll also get your sorry ass thrown in jail for interfering, which you 100% deserve and i fully support

the term "victimless" is subjective...i'll save you the trouble of looking up what "subjective" means and tell you that it means that it's your OPINION, not fact (or, rather, that it is not universally "true")

your very stance leads me to believe that you're an idiot and as such, you deserve every bit of "hassling" you receive from being such a pain in the ass

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"Whether or not they are "just doin their fucking job" doesn't change the fact that their job is asking them to do something that I, and evidently many more people, see as unethical. tl;dr - Yeah, I'm still gonna hassle those goons."

you do realize it will make jack shit worth of difference, right?

flying is a PRIVILEGE...you are not entitled to it...you don't like it, don't fly...if you can't wrap your tiny head around that FACT, then i can't help you...but i will be happy to inform you that the only person you're holding up when you "hassle those goons" is you...there will be plenty of TSA staff to handle the few sanctimonious douchebags with such an unimportant schedule that they can spend the extra time being groped

11/16/2010 2:15:23 PM

I guarantee that the entirety of this hassling will be an eye roll and a curt tone of voice.

Fucking Rosa Parks over here.

11/16/2010 2:19:02 PM

haha

11/16/2010 2:21:33 PM

LOL at anyone defending this.

Next it will be trains, subways, buses.

After that, someone will roll a few cars stuffed with bombs into a tunnel or over a bridge, and then we'll have to submit to searches of all passenger vehicles. in the motherfucking name of safety.

Fucking terrorists already won. because they've turned you into a bunch of fucking paranoid pussies who'll gladly hand over your rights in exchange for the empty promise of security.

These new measures will work great against someone in possession of a biological agent. Yeah we're all so much fucking safer now.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 2:26 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2010 2:24:39 PM

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"hand over your rights"

some of us are less sensitive than others...who's the pussy, again?

fwiw, i'm not DEFENDING it...i'm just pointing out that it makes no difference to me...i'm not such a pansy that i'm going to cry every time i'm inconvenienced held up the same amount of time i usually am at the airport

also, just for your education, biological agents are harder to come by than explosives...i can build a bomb by midnight tonight if i had a mind to...hell if i'd know where to get anthrax this late in the day

11/16/2010 2:28:31 PM

Yeah, you're goddamned right that flying is a privilege. It is a privilege that myself and millions of people WANT to continue to use, and not have to be subjected to a bunch of random strangers viewing ourselves, or our family members naked (or feeling us up). And simply having them view us naked or feel us up apparently just seems to be the tip of the iceberg at this point. I mean, how stupid is the idea of trying to avoid air travel for the rest of your life all because once upon a time, some bureaucrats at a government department that shouldn't even exist decide to make some outrageous guidelines for flyers? I got an idea! Let's not say a word when we disagree with it! Maybe then everything will be all better!

The slippery slope started because the TSA has a habit of closing the barn door after the horse has left. Someone tried to bomb a plane with their shoes? Off with everyone's shoes! Someone tried to bomb a plane with their underwear! Must see what is in everyone's underwear! Someone tried to bomb a plane with...?

I just can't wait to see the people defending mandatory cavity searches in 5 years.

11/16/2010 2:44:29 PM

im not defending it but i do not understand the vehement disagreement.


is it because you think it's a slippery slope? i have some friends who use that same defense against gay marriage.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 2:51 PM. Reason : oh my dear lord i think i am agreeing somewhat with quagmire. help us all ]

11/16/2010 2:49:48 PM

I have deemed AuH worthy of being ignored

more like "AHU" because he just blows hot air (badum chaa)

11/16/2010 2:51:02 PM

I don't think you need to address it on the slippery slope argument. It's already gone too far. And the vehement disagreement is not only breach of privacy, but unreasonable search and seizure, and a breach of the right to travel. It's not that it *could* be any of those things in the future, but that it is right now.

11/16/2010 2:51:09 PM

^thats where i tend to disagree. i dont see it as a huge breach of privacy.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 2:52 PM. Reason : breach not breech heh]

11/16/2010 2:51:59 PM

the RIGHT to travel?

no one is restricting you from travel.

11/16/2010 2:52:53 PM

^^did you watch the video of the 3 year old being groped by TSA?

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2010 2:54:30 PM

honest question (not trolling at all, im genuinely curious)....for those that disagree whole heartedly...how do you feel about metal detectors and whatnot at schools?

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 2:56 PM. Reason : ^no. ]

11/16/2010 2:56:07 PM

You never know, that kid could have had a bomb strapped to his pullups.

^ Metal detectors aren't beaming naked images of high schoolers to the principal's office (or whoever it would be looking at the images).

Personally I don't really agree with metal detectors at schools but that's another can of worms for another day.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM. Reason : a]

11/16/2010 2:56:31 PM

^^same as I feel about them at airports.

Inconvenient, but unintrusive.

Same question, how do you feel about full body imaging of school kids?


[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 2:58 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2010 2:57:29 PM

meh, I suspect putting metal detectors in schools just moves the violence out to the parking lot.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 3:02 PM. Reason : v]

11/16/2010 2:58:59 PM

^^its fully dependent on the situation, imo.

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 3:00 PM. Reason : ^]

11/16/2010 3:00:15 PM

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"FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS"

11/16/2010 3:05:00 PM

I sure would like to see some school boy cock

you know... to make sure that none of them are hiding bombs under their scrote





on a completely separate note..... the ability to fly is vital to our economy... and for classy businessmen such as myself.... is a necessity for maintaining my jerb. Though, I guess I could always go work at McDonalds.
I'm not so sure I agree with flying being a privilege thing. As a US citizen, YOU have the right to access public airspace, and per the regulations of the Transportation Barriers Compliance Board no one should be able to restrict that access through procedure or regulation.

11/16/2010 3:05:57 PM

EMCE dropping knowledge bombs, someone contact the authorities

11/16/2010 3:08:17 PM

don't they have bomb sniffers-on-a-chip now? Just use those instead, they're just as effective, no need to be eyeballing my junk.

I HAVE REPLACED A TESTE WITH AN OVOID OF C4 WHAT NOW?

i think it's funny that the chick that poses topless and the dude that wrestles publicly in his underwear are all WTF NOT A BIG DEAL

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM. Reason : love bomb]

11/16/2010 3:08:37 PM

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"oh my dear lord i think i am agreeing somewhat with quagmire. help us all "

it's all downhill from here!

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"how do you feel about full body imaging of school kids?"

i have no problem with it, personally...it's not like children have never been used to carry bombs before

i do, of course, have a problem with the images being stored (obviously)...if you're passed through the imaging device and are cleared, there's no good reason for any images to be retained

i do realize that some images HAVE been retained and yeah, i have a problem with that...but i think that most opposition that use the retained images argument are grasping pretty desperately for a concrete reason because "my privacy is being violated with my full knowledge and approval as demonstrated by my willingness to engage is this completely optional activity!" just isn't cutting it

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"I'm not so sure I agree with flying being a privilege thing. As a US citizen, YOU have the right to access public airspace, and per the regulations of the Transportation Barriers Compliance Board no one should be able to restrict that access through procedure or regulation."

you're welcome to disagree, but flying is most definitely not a guaranteed right by any legal definition

you are more than welcome to utilize private airlines in private airports if it bothers to fly commercial...that will allow you to make use of public airspace (unless they're requiring these imaging systems at private facilities, which i doubt they are)

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 3:12 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2010 3:10:12 PM

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"As a US citizen"

(I know you didnt mean it but i found this portion kinda funny)

11/16/2010 3:10:22 PM

I don't even see why they need people at all, just use vision algorithms to find anything wacky.

11/16/2010 3:13:24 PM

I hate you Joie

and given the chance, I would totally smack you on the head with my HOMIE THE CLOWN SOCK

11/16/2010 3:13:52 PM

that's a euphemism FOR HIS DICK

11/16/2010 3:14:43 PM

11/16/2010 3:16:31 PM