Yes - how did you not know that before today? Unless they are a deviant (queer, asexual), they would bone you if the situation was right.

2/15/2011 9:44:19 AM

Well some of my guy friends are super hot, and I while I've considered it many times I just always figured they would never consider me.

Does the rule still apply if the guy is super hot, and I'm super meh?

2/15/2011 9:46:04 AM

does super drunk factor in?

2/15/2011 9:47:07 AM

okay so I would have to determine the different in our attrativeness levels and make that directly proportional to alcohol consumption?

2/15/2011 9:49:54 AM

all your questions answered here:

http://www.laddertheory.com/

2/15/2011 9:51:08 AM

i was just gonna say you both get super drunk, your way sounds way too mathematical

2/15/2011 9:51:40 AM

Well obviously if he is less attracted to me than I am to him then he is going to need more alcohol to find me attractive enough to wanna bwn.

Dang if this weekend wasn't moving weekend I would test this out.

Next weekend I'm going to Conover. I have more male friends in Conover I might try to test it out there.

2/15/2011 10:01:06 AM

all you have to do is ask

2/15/2011 10:01:40 AM

So all I gotta do is get him drunk and be like "yo, you wanna fuck?"

2/15/2011 10:04:02 AM

YES!!

2/15/2011 10:06:08 AM

less asking, that gives them the chance to say no

2/15/2011 10:06:10 AM

beer googles work almost everytime!

2/15/2011 10:07:26 AM

Yeah be prepared for him to say no. My fiance's friend did that to him one summer during a night of drinking. Caught him by surprise and she got hella pissed when he turned her down

2/15/2011 10:09:16 AM

Was he your fiance at the time?

I mean I just know I gotta go for the guys that are single and not gay.

2/15/2011 10:10:39 AM

was fiance's friend hot?

2/15/2011 10:10:56 AM

Follow up question...


is the friendship over after the hook up?


I need to know this so I can know which guys for me to try. I don't wanna try it with a guy that I actually like being friends with if the friendship is going to be over.

2/15/2011 10:13:40 AM

I love how girls still think they can be "just friends" with a guy.

Get over the fantasy already.

2/15/2011 10:15:24 AM

Drew pm me for the friend then you can decide if shes hot

It was a year before we started dating this all happened. He may have recently broken up with his girlfriend though. I don't remember the timeline well.

2/15/2011 10:16:38 AM

you coulda just said no

2/15/2011 10:26:43 AM

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"Just as an FYI, if a guy finds you attractive enough to sleep with, he's not going to ever accept the "I'll never have sex with you" line as final, regardless of what he may tell you."

There's also a subset of us who are so emotionally and socially inept that we will keep hanging around just to avoid admitting that we want to sleep with you. Also, the most pathetic of us hope for a situation in which you get so sick of other guys treating you like shit that during some drunken sobfest moment of weakness you bang us and then regret it forever.

Quote :

"Does the same apply to roommate situations?"

Here is where we get into some things that might be called "special cases." They're not, really. They're just situations where you think you have friends but don't really.

Take a roommate. It's in his interest to be friendly because he's got to fucking live with you. Exigent circumstances make him your "friend" when normally he would not be. So no, he doesn't necessarily want to fuck you.

There are also various other circumstances in which something similar will happen. Most obvious is when a guy is a friend of your boyfriend, thus making him your friend by extension. There's also a case like the one buxom may have presented with us, where a guy acts friendly because his friend wants to get up in dem guts.

But sawahash, yeah, you could probably call up any of these guy friends, add a couple of drinks, and get your sin chasm pounded.

2/15/2011 10:28:59 AM

Haha but you're a guy you can assess hotness better.

2/15/2011 10:29:34 AM

Quote :

"is the friendship over after the hook up?"

not necessarily.

if you're both chill and relatively mature, it can either become a friends with benefits, or you can just both agree that it was fun for the moment but not a realistic option and reset back to original friendship. (be advised, no matter what he says, the guy will likely be keeping one eye open for another opportunity to try the "benefit" route again)

however, if either of you are some form of asshole, douchbag, control-freak, clingy, or general nutter, then it can go bad pretty quick.




[Edited on February 15, 2011 at 10:34 AM. Reason : ]

2/15/2011 10:32:04 AM

^This.

If it goes south there is a 99% chance it will be your fault with a 2% margin of error.

2/15/2011 10:42:53 AM

Quote :

"is the friendship over after the hook up?"

the dynamic will change, especially if 1 has any kind of remote feelings for the other. I've only had 1 instance where it did not change the dynamic at all (and even led to further hookups), but the girl was definately promiscuous in general and we just agreed we were down for drunken good times.

2/15/2011 10:47:08 AM

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"Drew pm me for the friend then you can decide if shes hot "

If you have to ask...

2/15/2011 10:48:43 AM

she wanted to tell me i knew the girl already

2/15/2011 10:53:44 AM

I love when girls ask you if its ok that you're just friends. Then you respond that you don't want to be just friends with them.

Then they get all angry and pissed off, but can't do shit about it

2/15/2011 11:21:54 AM

lol evlbuxmbetty I used to be you.

I thought I had guy friends, but really I had guys who hung on thinking I was going to have sex with them. This was all though college. Some are even are on TWW. Both sides learn what's up eventually.

I don't even have to read the previous 5 pages to know my advice has not gone on unsaid: Guys are never friends with girls, without attachment (ie- you're his male friend's girlfriend, or you're his girlfriend's friend etc), for anything other than wanting sex. That's the only reason a straight guy would be BFF with a girl.

Let this be my apology to the male sex for being a succubus in college. I hang my head in shame.

2/15/2011 11:38:43 AM

^ we forgive you.

2/15/2011 11:46:35 AM

evlbuxmbetty, I understand that you'll continue to laugh off the many valid and genuine explanations of what's going on here by some of TWW's best and brightest men and women. That's fine. We can't make you accept the truth.

I think, however, that TWW has put enough thought and effort toward your problem that you owe us one simple thing. Please update us if (when) the prevailing opinion expressed in this thread - that these guys do, in fact, want to fuck you - is confirmed or otherwise accepted as true. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would appreciate it.

Thanks,
walkmanfades

2/15/2011 12:20:52 PM

I'm just happy that there are women in this thread who actually know what's up. It must just be an age thing.

2/15/2011 12:30:37 PM

I can't understand how women are ever, ever surprised by this reality. It's not like we keep it a secret. Every comedian who has even gotten up in front of a crowd has made a joke about it. Every sitcom in history has episodes about it. We announce it loudly. Science textbooks make it perfectly clear.

We want to fuck. If you are a woman who isn't related to us by blood, and we give you the time of day, we either want to fuck you or we act nice because someone in our pack wants to fuck you.

We may not ever intend on acting on that for whatever reason. Someone earlier mentioned an exception for "your girlfriend's best friend" or "your friend's girlfriend." No. We probably want to fuck them, too, though we'll refrain from trying because the chances of success are so low and the long-term consequences so bad.

Billions of years of evolution have not succeeded in propagating life on this planet by suppressing the urge to breed. And finally, with the recent inventions (biologically speaking) of recreational sex with no mating season, we have reached the point where our prime biological imperative is to stick our wieners in you. Every other thing we do just serves a supporting role:

1) To convince you to let us stick our wieners in you. (This covers education, employment, buying fancy shit, art, exercise, booze in some contexts, etc.)
2) To keep us alive so that we can keep trying to stick our wieners in you. (eating, sleeping, etc.)
3) To distract us from the fact that we are not currently sticking our wieners in you. (video games, television, hanging out with guys, booze in the remaining contexts)

That is it.

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I'll close by briefly saying that we can, in fact, have meaningful non-sexual relationships with women. But you might as well accept that during those relationships, we want to bang them.

[Edited on February 15, 2011 at 12:45 PM. Reason : I suppose I could add 4) simulating sticking our wieners in you, which covers the masturbation]

2/15/2011 12:42:33 PM

most women know what's up. evlbuxmbetty knows what's up; she's just likes the attention and is now getting petty because she's afraid Greg is going to school Kyle to the ways of the world.

2/15/2011 12:43:08 PM

what a sad life men live.

2/15/2011 12:46:25 PM

men have it pretty good by most standards. It's not like you ever hear them arguing for equal rights.

2/15/2011 12:51:16 PM

Nah, it's pretty awesome. Remember that this isn't always conscious thought, which helps. But the good feeling we get from scoring a touchdown or getting a promotion or whatever, while we don't consciously make the link, is ultimately just an internal positive-feedback response to support our doing things that we assume make us more attractive breeding partners.

And don't act like you people are any better. Your obsession just holds off for a little a while and ends up far too focused on the worst possible outcome of fucking.

2/15/2011 12:51:58 PM

i, for one, am not as simple as what grumpy described. i also don't put pussy on the pedestal the way some of you all do. and i have no problem getting it. that shit is easy to get, it finds you.

2/15/2011 12:58:08 PM

Quote :

"what a sad life men live."

who can pee straight standing up?

2/15/2011 12:58:32 PM

we can also drive and do math.

2/15/2011 1:03:47 PM

and remember where we parked

2/15/2011 1:08:33 PM

its sad because not all the girls dont get it

2/15/2011 1:09:33 PM

Quote :

"i, for one, am not as simple as what grumpy described."

I knew this would go over people's heads.

Look, you are that simple. You are not a special individual. You are the product of hundreds of millions of years of the evolution of sexually reproducing animals driven entirely and exclusively by one overriding goal. You're not aware of it most of the time. Your internal monologue is not obsessed with pussy. But if vaginas disappeared from the Earth you'd have no reason to live, biologically speaking.

2/15/2011 1:23:21 PM

thats a false dilemma, no one is talking about pussy disappearing. i'm just saying i don't worship that shit and it doesn't dictate my actions. its silly too, really, because pussy is all around and will find you. its not something you have to work for.

2/15/2011 1:27:29 PM

spoken like a true virgin

2/15/2011 1:32:01 PM

But you do have to work for it, you just don't realize you're working. Following even the simplest social norms is "work" when you think about it.

2/15/2011 1:32:32 PM

i mean, if answering a text message or driving a girl home is working, then i guess

2/15/2011 1:35:11 PM

minka was a succubus in college??

2/15/2011 1:36:10 PM

Well, ask yourself, "Is there shit I would rather be doing than texting or driving this girl home?" If the answer is "yes" then you're working.

2/15/2011 1:37:11 PM

I'm betting that no one can give an example that proves Grumpy's points wrong. Go head, give it a shot...What do you do that isn't in some part of a plan to have more sex?

2/15/2011 1:39:28 PM

^ missing the point.

2/15/2011 1:43:41 PM