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"tell us more how you feel people are idiots because their opinion is different than yours"

Only when it's obvious...as in this particular instance.

11/3/2011 9:54:36 AM

wow that was pretty wild.


that said, some of that is family business, and she should have gone to law enforcement (police, fbi, cps) - not the court of public opinion - with that evidence.

11/3/2011 10:03:15 AM

I completely disagree with Kiwi. Perhaps she and I are different in that I can separate the duties one carries out with the nature of the person themselves.

In my household my mother did all of the spanking and ne'er a time was I ever afraid of my mom. What I was afraid of, however, was doing things that would get me in trouble because they would result in a spanking. When others acted out, I didn't and to this day I can tell a huge difference in how I respond to people (IRL) and accept responsibility for my actions and how others do.

11/3/2011 10:04:44 AM

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"that said, some of that is family business, and she should have gone to law enforcement (police, fbi, cps) - not the court of public opinion - with that evidence."

I'm agreeing with you, but I can also see the 16 year old daughter of a judge in Arkansas being afraid of going to the police/law with allegations against her dad. I'm also sure she was raised to think that this was okay and maybe didn't realized how fucked up it was until later (this is almost 8 years later).

11/3/2011 10:05:01 AM

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"I'm agreeing with you, but I can also see the 16 year old daughter of a judge in Arkansas being afraid of going to the police/law with allegations against her dad. I'm also sure she was raised to think that this was okay and maybe didn't realized how fucked up it was until later (this is almost 8 years later)."

Agreed. Additionally, this helps in the ole "awareness" department for any kids out there that may be going through something similar and are afraid or don't know how to seek help.

Shitty situation all around. I'm ok with spanking, but damn this went way beyond discipline.

11/3/2011 10:11:27 AM

Hey we should just have a law where parents are not allowed to physically discipline their children - if their children are misbehaving and they cannot control them, we can have a gov't appointed disciplinary specialist that can assist with the parenting. Great idea!

11/3/2011 10:14:38 AM

Nothing wrong with a good ole country ass whuppin.

11/3/2011 10:18:11 AM

^^You are an idiot.

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 10:18 AM. Reason : ]

11/3/2011 10:18:34 AM

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"You are an idiot."

Yea your friend jbrick83 already told me that 3 times, got anything new to share?

11/3/2011 10:21:08 AM

I'm all for corporal punishment, but there are limits. It's one thing to sit on a forum and say "that's not nothing!" It's another thing to really consider what he's doing. A 16 year old disabled girl was found on her computer after she was told to turn it off, the mother is heard saying "I already spanked her", and father comes in and hits her with a belt 14 times, he leaves the room and mom hits her once, then 40 seconds later dad comes back in with what looks like a paddle and hits her 2 more times, then climbs on top of her in the bed and hits her once.

That's not harsh discipline; that's abuse.

The phrases he uses like "Bend over the fucking bed or I'll hit you in your fucking face" probably aren't helping.

11/3/2011 10:21:56 AM

Only white people think this is abuse. Atleast its a belt and not an extension cord. Now some of the ass whuppins I earned back in the day were abuse. I would have laughed if my mom was like turn over and let me spank you on the ass.

11/3/2011 10:24:23 AM

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"Yea your friend jbrick83 already told me that 3 times, got anything new to share?"

No, but apparently you believe repetition in negative reinforcement is an effective means of correcting behavior, so I thought I would give it a shot. Oh well.

11/3/2011 10:24:33 AM

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"Only white people think this is abuse. Atleast its a belt and not an extension cord. Now some of the ass whuppins I earned back in the day were abuse. I would have laughed if my mom was like turn over and let me spank you on the ass. "

What if you were a mentally challenged 16 year old girl who had already received something from mom, received 14 licks from dad before he says something about getting hit metal something, then hit three more times? I just want to make sure I understand at what point in time these parents would stop being loving, disciplinary parents and start being someone who is just losing their temper and senselessly beating their mentally challenged child.

11/3/2011 10:27:17 AM

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"Only white people think this is abuse. Atleast its a belt and not an extension cord. Now some of the ass whuppins I earned back in the day were abuse. I would have laughed if my mom was like turn over and let me spank you on the ass."

My girlfriend is a teacher at a school where a teacher got in trouble for slapping a student (the student destroyed the classroom and was uncontrollable...not making excuses, just describing the situation).

The teacher got suspended for a little while, but the parents didn't press any further because they didn't want Child Services to talk to the kid and find out that they more than likely beat the shit out of the kid back at home

11/3/2011 10:28:51 AM

I plan on spanking my kids, wether it happens or not is something else. Growing up the dual threat of it plus what it ment that my parents would think about me to result in this were enough to keep me in line most of the time.

11/3/2011 10:29:27 AM

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"What if you were a mentally challenged 16 year old girl who had already received something from mom, received 14 licks from dad before he says something about getting hit metal something, then hit three more times? I just want to make sure I understand at what point in time these parents would stop being loving, disciplinary parents and start being someone who is just losing their temper and senselessly beating their mentally challenged child."

Is this girl back to being mentally challenged?

11/3/2011 10:31:39 AM

I got my ass whooped as a child, and am better for it. It taught me a very important lesson: dont get caught, and be sure to cover your goddamn tracks.

11/3/2011 10:33:17 AM

Like I said, I'm a big fan of corporal punishment, and not just the 'slap their wrist and tell them they did a no-no'. That being said, there is a big line between corporal punishment for the sake of raising a disciplined child and beating a teenager with cerebral palsy almost 20 times with a belt, paddle, etc…

11/3/2011 10:33:35 AM

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"Is this girl back to being mentally challenged?"

Yeah I'm not getting that, and I'm betting if you called up this woman and asked her she wouldn't get it either

11/3/2011 10:34:35 AM

Arkansas is really getting some bad publicity for something it has no relation to.

11/3/2011 10:36:17 AM

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"dont get caught, and be sure to cover your goddamn tracks"

This

She looks real mentally challenged when she turns off the camera.

11/3/2011 10:37:25 AM

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"Is this girl back to being mentally challenged?"

She has ataxic cerebral palsy.

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"She looks real mentally challenged when she turns off the camera. "

That's because it's ataxic CP; she's not a spastic quadriplegic. But yeah, I'm sure that just because you didn't see her in a motorized wheelchair that you can tell she's faking it.

11/3/2011 10:43:46 AM

^ did you watch the video of her talking about it as an adult posted on the last page?

11/3/2011 10:44:59 AM

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"ataxic cerebral palsy"

This does not make her mentally challenged. It means she has limited motor skills. Cognitively she's able to process thoughts and ideas just like any other person that isn't mentally challenged.

11/3/2011 10:47:06 AM

11/3/2011 10:48:20 AM

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"Ataxia type symptoms can be caused by damage to the cerebellum. The forms of ataxia are less common types of cerebral palsy, occurring in at most 10% of all cases. Some of these individuals have hypotonia and tremors. Motor skills such as writing, typing, or using scissors might be affected, as well as balance, especially while walking. It is common for individuals to have difficulty with visual and/or auditory processing. "

Yes, I pilfered that from wikipedia, so I have no clue if it's accurate.

11/3/2011 10:50:06 AM

It's kind of like saying that someone who is partially blind or deaf or has Parkinson's or something is mentally handicapped.

11/3/2011 10:51:43 AM

Maybe "mentally challenged" isn't correct.... she has a disability caused by something in her brain. Whatever you want to call it, my point is that she's already someone who has a disability. I'm not saying she wasn't aware of what she was doing and being punished; it was just that she is someone is a life-long disability that he was beating.

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"It's kind of like saying that someone who is partially blind or deaf or has Parkinson's or something is mentally handicapped."

Right, so if I saw someone with Parkinson's, I would say they are handicapped due to a mental abnormality. I guess I've always thought there was a distinction between a mental handicap and mental retardation. Maybe I'm wrong; I don't have a lot of experience around people who have non-retardation handicaps dealing with the brain.

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 10:55 AM. Reason : ...]

11/3/2011 10:52:02 AM

Aside from the fact no one really deserves a beatdown, I don't really get the line of thought that someone who is physically handicapped shouldn't get a spanking. It's kind of like saying someone who is handicapped should get a free pass in life to do whatever the hell they want.

11/3/2011 10:55:08 AM

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"I don't really get the line of thought that someone who is physically handicapped shouldn't get a spanking."

When did I say that (or are you referring to someone else)?

11/3/2011 10:56:51 AM

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"What if you were a mentally challenged 16 year old girl who had already received something from mom"

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"losing their temper and senselessly beating their mentally challenged child"

come on, you know what you were trying to imply

11/3/2011 10:59:39 AM

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"I don't really get the line of thought that someone who is physically handicapped shouldn't get a spanking. It's kind of like saying someone who is handicapped should get a free pass in life to do whatever the hell they want. "

Woah woah woah....you are making a ridiculously large jump in reasoning right there. Slow down.

11/3/2011 11:01:19 AM

Because I don't think you should "lose your temper and senselessly beat a [disabled] child", that means I don't think handicaped children should be subjected to corporal punishment? Yeah, that makes sense...

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jbrick83 is echoing my feelings. It's a really, really huge leap to say that I think this event is particularly terrible because she is perminantly handicapped and extract from that this idea that I don't think someone with a disability should ever been disciplined.

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM. Reason : jbrick83 responded]

11/3/2011 11:02:04 AM

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"Right, so if I saw someone with Parkinson's, I would say they are handicapped due to a mental abnormality."

Go up to a person with Parkinson's and tell them they are mentally handicapped and I imagine you will get major stink eye.

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"Because I don't think you should "lose your temper and senselessly beat a [disabled] child","

Disability should have nothing to do with it. No child deserves to be senselessly beaten.

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 11:05 AM. Reason : a]

11/3/2011 11:02:47 AM

^They may even shake their fist at you.

11/3/2011 11:03:38 AM

Their shaken fist will probably be more chaotic looking than your standard shaken fist.

11/3/2011 11:04:50 AM

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"Go up to a person with Parkinson's and tell them they are mentally handicapped and I imagine you will get major stink eye."

Maybe not in the early stages, but I'm pretty sure that later stages include dementia. So eventually, they do have mental disabilities.

11/3/2011 11:06:23 AM

because of parkinsons

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 11:07 AM. Reason : .]

11/3/2011 11:06:31 AM

If he wants to punish her for downloading music and prevent her from doing it again, there's a more effective way to do it.

Take her computer.

11/3/2011 11:08:16 AM

and beat her with it amirite

11/3/2011 11:08:55 AM

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"Take her computer."

This was back in 2004...it was probably the family's only computer. If he takes it away, how else is he going to look up child pornography??

11/3/2011 11:09:23 AM

I can't believe people are defending this guy.

All evidence points to him being a horrible individual.

11/3/2011 11:09:39 AM

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"This was back in 2004...it was probably the family's only computer. If he takes it away, how else is he going to look up child pornography??"

Put it in his man cave, durr.

11/3/2011 11:10:27 AM

wolfpackgrrr, That's the problem... I don't deal or work with anyone with Parkinson's. I do deal and work with people who are autistic... mentally challenged.

And in response to your last statement... No one is claiming any child shouldn't get beaten. The only reason it was mentioned was to try to frame a response to blackjesus who was saying it wasn't a big deal. I'm not implying that handicapped kids shouldn't be disciplined or that any other kid is alright being beaten. Are there any other assumptions you would like to jump to based on things I didn't say... just so I can go ahead and clear that up.

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 11:12 AM. Reason : ..]

11/3/2011 11:11:17 AM

At the end of the video, the Mom said she was only allowed to use the computer for school work. I'm guessing she actually needed to computer for homework or maybe she was home-schooled.

11/3/2011 11:11:40 AM

^So... am I the only one picking up on the fact that the computer is in the corner of what I assume is her bedroom? If it's a single family computer, why is it in her bedroom?

11/3/2011 11:12:53 AM

Dude who beats their kid for using Napster or Kazaa???

I could see if she was like hanging out with a coke dealer but if that is the worst thing your kid does you are gonna be alright.

If you beat your kid for every little thing they do wrong then what are you gonna do for the serious shit they do wrong?

11/3/2011 11:13:46 AM

Dude who beats their kid for using Napster or Kazaa???

I could see if she was like hanging out with a coke dealer but if that is the worst thing your kid does you are gonna be alright.

If you beat your kid for every little thing they do wrong then what are you gonna do for the serious shit they do wrong?

11/3/2011 11:14:19 AM

^5 And I'm saying that this video isn't worse because the girl also happened to be disabled. It would be just as bad if she didn't have that disability. I have the same beef when prosecutors automatically go for hate crime charges when the victim happens to be black in a crime. Unless the guy was beating her because she's disabled, I don't see how her disability makes this a worse offense.

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 11:14 AM. Reason : a]

11/3/2011 11:14:28 AM

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 11:19 AM. Reason : set em up]

11/3/2011 11:17:40 AM