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"If you are Christian, we're all the incest children of Noah's family. You don't see Christians pushing incest."

re-incested from Adam and Eve... and i'm assuming eve was genetically similar to adam given that she was cloned from adam's rib. maybe there is something to west virginia after all.

12/29/2013 9:35:56 PM

^^
Yes it is.

Injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.

[Edited on December 29, 2013 at 9:37 PM. Reason : ]

12/29/2013 9:37:07 PM

I've never gay bashed or slut shamed. But the very act of me stating that I don't take part in either of those lifestyles is somehow considered gay bashing and slut shaming. I don't think being gay is a sin. I don't understand it, but I don't think it is a sin. That is my opinion, and like assholes, everybody has one.

You're only allowed to express your honest opinion though if you're a liberal.

12/29/2013 9:39:55 PM

You just "expressed your honest opinion."

And nothing happened.

I mean, you can't express yourself at work, but none of us get to say half the shit we wanna say at work. Otherwise, you're good to go on expressing yourself.

12/29/2013 9:46:13 PM

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"You're only allowed to express your honest opinion though if you're a liberal."

That's exactly my point. You only have freedom of speech if you're gay, black or a female. If you're a straight white male you can't speak your mind.

12/29/2013 9:47:26 PM

^ loooooool


Pretty much every facet of reality proves that's wrong.

12/29/2013 9:51:45 PM

^^You can totally express yourself. I mean, we're all oppressed in some way...there's no need to make it worse by inventing limitations on your behavior.

I mean, if you're serious, then that kind of makes me sad in a couple ways.

Let's try to be more free, guys!

12/29/2013 9:58:12 PM

With the power vested in me as a liberal, I grant you FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

Please tell us all about your backward opinions.

12/29/2013 10:01:24 PM

With the powers vested in me. I allow men to fuck other men in the ass. If you promise to not have a parade for it.

12/29/2013 10:05:06 PM

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"You're only allowed to express your honest opinion though if you're a liberal."

12/29/2013 10:09:37 PM

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"You only have freedom of speech if"

You're clearly an idiot. I'm sure you could make a ton of money with your own reality TV show though...

12/29/2013 10:12:41 PM

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"Pretty much every facet of reality proves that's wrong."

+1

I can only hope the dude is trolling, but trolling via that argument isn't much better than actually believing the shit in the first place.

12/29/2013 10:40:05 PM

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""You're only allowed to express your honest opinion though if you're a liberal.""

I mean, this is obvious, but there's a world of difference between not being allowed to express your opinion and getting your horseshit opinion called out.

Believing homosexuality wrong, unnatural, immoral, a sin, etc is complete horseshit. Written down millennia ago by a tribe of people that thought you could change the color of goats by breeding them in front of striped sticks.

[Edited on December 29, 2013 at 10:46 PM. Reason : sticks, not trees]

12/29/2013 10:43:43 PM

PROTIP: Pointing out that someone is an inveterate bigot is not the same as wanting his or her "tongue cut out."

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"so if science shows that some people are pedophiles not by choice, then it should be legal? that's what your position is."

IDK about moron, but IMO as long as pedophilic acts are regarded as harmful to the children involved, they should not be legal; an important aspect of the legalization of homosexual acts between consenting adults is that they were found to not be harmful per se, not just that same-sex attraction is biologically determined (but [b]this[/i] fact undergirds gay rights more generally, including the legalization of same-sex marriage and protections against discrimination in housing, employment, education, and the military).
(Similarly, the main reason bestiality is unlawful in most of the country is that non-human animals cannot legally consent.)

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"But the very act of me stating that I don't take part in either of those lifestyles is somehow considered gay bashing and slut shaming."

kinda like how letting it be known that you're an atheist is somehow considered hatred of Christians, or supporting health-insurance reform is somehow evidence of Communism

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"I mean, you can't express yourself at work, but none of us get to say half the shit we wanna say at work."

It's not just the public figures either; try expressing support for unions while working at Wal-Mart, even off the job.


(BTW I believe that A&E overreacted by suspending Phil Robertson, and it's good that they let him back on the show, possibly soon enough to not have filmed an episode without him, because we need as much reality as possible in our "reality TV" even though it makes decent people uncomfortable.)

[Edited on December 29, 2013 at 10:46 PM. Reason : the two posts above this are well-reasoned and thoughtful

12/29/2013 10:45:21 PM

So you people think it's possible to procreate when a male fucks another male in the ass?

12/29/2013 10:51:32 PM

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"So you people think it's possible to procreate when a male fucks another male in the ass?"

So you think it's possible to procreate when a female fists another female in the ass?

12/29/2013 10:55:35 PM

just curious, was this thread ever about the show Duck Dynasty?

12/29/2013 10:57:23 PM

^^ no. Don't be a dumbass.

12/29/2013 10:58:51 PM

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"no. Don't be a dumbass."

It's no dumber than anything you've posted on this page.

12/29/2013 11:01:49 PM

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"So you think it's possible to procreate when a female fists another female in the ass?"

This is THE dumbest post on this page.

12/29/2013 11:05:55 PM

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"If you promise to not have a parade for it."

People have marches for everything under the sun. I know I'll be at an annual MLK march next month. What's wrong with an annual celebratory march in honor of the stonewall riots anniversary?

12/29/2013 11:06:21 PM

[Edited on December 29, 2013 at 11:10 PM. Reason : nvmd]

12/29/2013 11:10:09 PM

What it showed me was that the gay mafia is much more powerful than the black mafia. GLAAD got that shit shut down overnight and as soon as Jesse Jackson spoke one word he was back on.

12/30/2013 12:05:53 AM

You're surprised that a mostly white group holds more sway than a mostly black group?

12/30/2013 12:11:41 AM

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"The reasoning for voting against Obama seems blatantly racist, but is also pretty incoherent, so maybe he meant something less racist, but equally stupid?"

Que? Saying one guy is from Salt Lake City and another is "blatantly racist?" Since when is a city blatantly racist. You are attributing far more to his words to make them "blatantly racist" than what he actually said, unless "blatantly" mans something different to you than it does to me...

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"Try thinking for yourself instead of being a bigot because it's written in a fucking book."

Because "thinking something is wrong" makes you a bigot... But, of course, disagreeing with a liberal means you hate everyone.

12/30/2013 12:15:35 AM

Maybe you're not a bigot if you think people being in love is wrong.

Maybe you're just an asshole.

12/30/2013 12:28:00 AM

definitely still a bigot though for thinking black people were better off before

12/30/2013 12:53:14 AM

Vinylbandit, to your first question, I kinda am. I remember lots more support for Trayvon than Matthew Sheperd?/Brandon Teena? and the others like him/her.

As for what you just said: let me give you my full unfiltered views on gay people, and I want an honest answer:

I respect them, I don't discriminate against them, I think they have the right to fuck who they want, and love who they want. I don't think it's anyone's business. However, I draw the line when filing jointly on taxes and other financial benefits come into play. I fully agree that if one homosexual gets in a bad wreck, then his/her lover should be able to be next of kin at the ER. I don't hate the people at all, I just don't like some of the financial aspects.

Am I a bigot? asshole? what am i to you?

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 12:54 AM. Reason : ?]

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 12:55 AM. Reason : ?]

12/30/2013 12:54:03 AM

sound like an ignorant idiot, but definitely a bigot if you agree with Phil's statements regarding black people

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 12:59 AM. Reason : .]

12/30/2013 12:58:13 AM

I agree that vagina is more desirable than butt hole, but that's as far as it goes. If you think that makes me a bigot, fine by me.... but that's the only part of that I agree with.

I'm not religious at all and have no duck in this race.

regarding the black stuff, while i feel he was just speaking from what he saw, he should have known better, because he knows what happened back then, even if he missed it in his small corner of the world

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 1:03 AM. Reason : glad you clarified, i added black people..]

12/30/2013 1:02:43 AM

this goes beyond the scope of this thread i think, but why is the government in the marriage business anyway? tradition? population growth/stability/control? to give a benefit to families? public health?

personally if two people love one another (gay or straight) I don't see the problem. Why can't the government just get out of the marriage business all together and just grant a "personal union" and let whatever beliefs the couple has to decide if they call one another married, personally united, declared family, or whatever label they want?

12/30/2013 1:05:08 AM

One question for the detractors:


when this came out, all the headlines and facebook posts were like "OH WOW WHO WOULDA THUNK" - they showed severe stereotype against rural whites. why is that kind of stereotype okay and the others arent?

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 1:07 AM. Reason : If anyone can give an intellectually honest answer without a political lean, I will buy you dinner.]

12/30/2013 1:05:37 AM

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"I remember lots more support for Trayvon than Matthew Sheperd?/Brandon Teena? and the others like him/her. "

Matthew Shepard was 15 years ago. Brandon Teena was 20 years ago. It was a lot riskier to show support for gays at that time than it was to show support for blacks in 2012.

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"However, I draw the line when filing jointly on taxes and other financial benefits come into play. I fully agree that if one homosexual gets in a bad wreck, then his/her lover should be able to be next of kin at the ER. I don't hate the people at all, I just don't like some of the financial aspects."

What? Why is that the line? I mean, if you think that no couples should get benefits/breaks from the government for anything, I understand that. But why does a straight couple deserve legal benefits that a gay couple doesn't?

12/30/2013 1:07:04 AM

vinyl: to clarify, i weighed in the amount of social media and 24 hour news back then versus trayvon and it still seemed skewed. that could be it, you're probably right and I thought the same thing when answering.

as for the second question, i don't think there should be any financial benefits for anyone getting married. i think each person should pay flat tax rates or no taxes at all in favor or a sales tax. i mentioned the ER thing cause that seemed to be a big issue. if they want a civil union, cool. but not out of my pocket... and i wish other families would stay out of my pocket too.

this is kinda where i usually go into the 2 party rant

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 1:11 AM. Reason : .]

12/30/2013 1:09:47 AM

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"Because "thinking something is wrong" makes you a bigot... But, of course, disagreeing with a liberal means you hate everyone."

Disingenuous to the end, I see. The particulars of the "something" matter quite a lot.

For someone who complains about strawmen....

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"when this came out, all the headlines and facebook posts were like "OH WOW WHO WOULDA THUNK" - they showed severe stereotype against rural whites. why is that kind of stereotype okay and the others arent? "

How many wrongs make a right again?

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 1:12 AM. Reason : .]

12/30/2013 1:10:25 AM

and, VB, im about to turn in, so i might catch it tonight....

but... bigot, asshole, what am i?

12/30/2013 1:12:36 AM

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"How many wrongs make a right again?"

No shit dude, no shit. But why is it okay?

12/30/2013 1:14:07 AM

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"as for the second question, i don't think there should be any financial benefits for anyone getting married. i think each person should pay flat tax rates or no taxes at all in favor or a sales tax. i mentioned the ER thing cause that seemed to be a big issue. if they want a civil union, cool. but not out of my pocket... and i wish other families would stay out of my pocket too."

If this is your actual position, you should lead with it instead of saying it applies to homosexuals first.

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"No shit dude, no shit. But why is it okay?"

Who's saying it's okay?

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 1:14 AM. Reason : .]

12/30/2013 1:14:22 AM

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"i weighed in the amount of social media and 24 hour news back then versus trayvon and it still seemed skewed."

That's fine, but even the amount of exposure doesn't account for ideological climate. When Matthew Shepard was killed, gay marriage/civil unions were illegal in every state in America. Today, they're legal in 22 states. That's a much more hospitable climate for comment, regardless of volume.

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"as for the second question, i don't think there should be any financial benefits for anyone getting married. i think each person should pay flat tax rates or no taxes at all in favor or a sales tax. i mentioned the ER thing cause that seemed to be a big issue. if they want a civil union, cool. but not out of my pocket... and i wish other families would stay out of my pocket too."

This has absolutely nothing to do with gay people. You aren't expressing hate toward anyone (or you are expressing hate toward everyone, your choice).

So...not an asshole.

12/30/2013 1:14:44 AM

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"If this is your actual position, you should lead with it instead of saying it applies to homosexuals first."

makes sense, but i'm not running for office, and i don't have a radio show. i'm just kinda randomly stating how i feel openly here so i can be judged alongside everyone else.

your point is valid though.

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 1:16 AM. Reason : getting to the rest]

12/30/2013 1:15:59 AM

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"Who's saying it's okay?"

no one, that's what upsets me.

12/30/2013 1:18:35 AM

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"You aren't expressing hate toward anyone (or you are expressing hate toward everyone, your choice). So...not an asshole."

lol. probably hate toward everyone. 35 and unmarried.

anyways, the gays are funny. ever seen wavy davy on youtube, he's hilarious.

12/30/2013 1:20:08 AM

you should see the old That's Gay pieces by Bryan Safi

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"just curious, was this thread ever about the show Duck Dynasty?"

yup, look at the first page before I bumped it rather than making a new thread just for the controversy

12/30/2013 5:07:22 AM

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"Phil Robertson Says [technically, said] Girls Should Be Married Off at “15 or 16”"

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"Culture warriors on the right spent the bulk of the holiday season establishing Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty as a martyr because the millionaire was suspended from his television show after making grossly homophobic and racist statements to a GQ reporter. The strategy worked, and A&E reinstalled Robertson to his apparently First Amendment–guaranteed spot on reality TV, which in turn sent liberal bloggers back to YouTube to find more incidents of Robertson saying terrible things about the nonwhite, nonmale, nonstraight portions of the population. The hunt didn't take long. This weekend bloggers turned up a video from 2009 in which Robertson advises marrying underage girls because they are easier to dominate than those who've graduated high school. In the video, a Sportsmen's Ministry talk, Robertson laments that good women are hard to find, saying, "Mainly because these boys are waiting until they get to be about 20 years old before they marry 'em. Look, you wait until they get to be 20 years old, the only picking that's going to take place is your pocket." His advice for a happy marriage is to make like R. Kelly and hang out in high-school parking lots. "You got to marry these girls when they are about 15 or 16. They'll pick your ducks." (No, "pick your ducks" is not sexual innuendo—Robertson is talking about cleaning the feathers off of dead birds, a miserable task often left to women to perform.) "You need to check with mom and dad about that of course," sage Robertson wisely advises, but he does not explain how to convince the parents of teenage girls to let them marry grown men who are tired of cleaning their own dead birds. He could start by asking his own sons. Indeed, his one son, Willie Robertson, has a daughter, Sadie, who at 16 is exactly the right age for marriage in her grandfather's estimation. Of course, she's pretty busy at the moment capitalizing on her family's fame to start a career in fashion designing. Instead of doing her godly duty and standing over a sink yanking feathers off her husband's killings, Sadie Robertson has been walking the catwalk to show off prom dresses she helped design with Sherri Hill. One can only hope for an episode of Duck Dynasty in which Phil has a heart-to-heart with his granddaughter, illuminating the very important issue of yanking teenagers out of New York Fashion Week to marry them off before they can vote. Think about it, A&E. Everyone knows what Phil Robertson is now, so why not make some money letting him be himself for a nation of gawkers. "

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/12/30/phil_robertson_on_marriage_duck_dynasty_star_advised_men_to_find_15_year.html

12/30/2013 1:36:52 PM

i think the idea of him promoting old men marrying young girls is a bit exaggerated

i mean...he was a high school senior dating a high school freshman


it's not like he was 30 and dating a pre-teen

12/30/2013 3:08:07 PM

^Yep. Jase/Missy and Willie/Korie were high school sweethearts who all married when they were about 18-19 as well, even though they were going to college. I think his point is more if you have a girl back in HS and she loves you, she is not as worried about your financial status. When they get older, women are more (IMO rightly) concerned with how much money you are going to make and how you will provide. Not sure how old Alan and Jeph were when they got married, as Alan ran away to New Orleans for a bit and got mixed up in drinking and drugs and apparently Jeph got into drugs REALLY badly around Monroe and moved out of town for a little while.

12/30/2013 3:26:24 PM

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"i think the idea of him promoting old men marrying young girls is a bit exaggerated i mean...he was a high school senior dating a high school freshman it's not like he was 30 and dating a pre-teen"

Are people saying he's promoting old men marring the girls young (a la fundamentalist Mormons)? I haven't seen that anywhere...just that he's promoting marrying them while they're 15-16, while they're still willing to pluck your ducks

12/30/2013 3:28:50 PM

R. Kelly was referenced


that's taking things WAY out of context

12/30/2013 3:43:26 PM

For sure. The context is a little scary though on its own though.

12/30/2013 3:44:25 PM

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"when this came out, all the headlines and facebook posts were like "OH WOW WHO WOULDA THUNK" - they showed severe stereotype against rural whites. why is that kind of stereotype okay and the others arent?"

Because only liberals are allowed to stereotype and be bigoted and it be ok. Duh.

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"The particulars of the "something" matter quite a lot."

No, it doesn't. I think murder is wrong. Does that make me a bigot? You need to go look up the definition of that word, because you plainly don't understand it whatsoever. moreover, given your abject hatred, ridicule, and disgust for Christians, it is FAR more fitting for you than for someone who simply thinks homosexuality is a sin.

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" When Matthew Shepard was killed, gay marriage/civil unions were illegal in every state in America."

Methinks you don't understand the meaning of the word "illegal." No one was being thrown in jail for saying they were married to a person of the same sex then.

12/30/2013 6:59:49 PM