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"i'm really confused about these "arguments". i think there's some miscommunication going on here."

Understandable when the majority of these "arguments" are simply gross mischaracterizations of other people's positions, aka straw mans. And both sides are doing it, btw, but one to a greater degree.

10/30/2013 4:52:59 PM

I'm just saying...pulling out is a pretty successful method of birth control. It's not encouraged because men suck at it, and it contributes to the spread of STDs.

But that's how basic this shit is, guys. I mean, you're grown. You can't be having sex for two decades and then be handwringing like a child, trying to convince another grown human being to have an abortion. The entire premise of this discussion is absurd.

But, as long as you guys are this fucking stupid, there's gonna be plenty of babies to go around. So yay for babies and grown men whining about how they got tricked!

10/30/2013 4:55:13 PM

Given BridgetSPK's latest posts, it has become quite apparent that my relationship with her is going to have to be BJ only.

Ick.

10/30/2013 4:55:31 PM

^^yeah, def some mischaracterizations going on there

10/30/2013 5:01:06 PM

^^We established long ago that I'm having your baby, moving across the country, and every parental decision I make will be 100% dictated by spite.

10/30/2013 5:02:02 PM

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"But I definitely do not believe that it is morally acceptable to use abortion as back up birth control."

translation: abortions are only okay when i personally say they are

10/30/2013 5:02:13 PM

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"Understandable when the majority of these "arguments" are simply gross mischaracterizations of other people's positions, aka straw mans. And both sides are doing it, btw, but one to a greater degree."

i have a hard time following logical rules when the other side isn't either

[Edited on October 30, 2013 at 5:03 PM. Reason : .]

10/30/2013 5:02:43 PM

I love you so much Bridget. So much it hurts.

10/30/2013 5:07:24 PM

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"i have a hard time following logical rules when the other side isn't either"

You can't just be the bigger...ahem, gender here?

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"I'm just saying...pulling out is a pretty successful method of birth control."

I'm inclined to support this position as fundamental, unless people here can offer anecdotal evidence to dispute it.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/withdrawal-pull-out-method-4218.htm

10/30/2013 5:17:35 PM

Withdrawal works.

My husband and I had sex for five years without a single pregnancy. I think that we used condoms or I was on the pill for less than 1.5 years of that time. The rest of the time he just pulled out. No babies. And we're definitely a fertile couple because I got pregnant the first try with both of my kids. I think it's a dammed miracle I didn't get pregnant all those years only pulling out.

Like I said itcb "If I can not get pregnant anyone can not get pregnant."

10/30/2013 8:55:30 PM

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"You can't just be the bigger...ahem, gender here?"

that's not as fun

10/30/2013 10:08:41 PM

Also worth reading:

http://jezebel.com/believing-youre-magical-is-really-bad-birth-control-1453341112

Men, there are women dumb enough out there to just assume they're infertile for no good reason... and women who apparently think skipping BC pills or not taking them the same time of day every day is okay

wrap that shit up if you want to be sure you're not going to impregnate her

[Edited on October 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM. Reason : I call bullshit on the "pull out" method: it only takes once for him to not do it in time]

10/30/2013 10:20:10 PM

Spray and pray has been very successful for me.

10/30/2013 10:31:24 PM

I'm not religious, so maybe that's why VV

10/30/2013 10:46:21 PM

^^^ Yep, I can think of 3 offhand who told me that they couldn't have children, to include my daughter's mother who said her OBGYN had told her it would be unlikely she could conceive again after the first pregnancy.

Side note: it only took her a few months to get pregnant again after I broke up with her and she started dating her now-husband.

10/30/2013 11:55:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-vQ_VsTkn0

10/31/2013 1:34:49 AM

Just a warning boys. According to my doctor I don't ovulate. In June I had an ultrasound that showed my ovaries covered in dozens and dozens of follicles of unreleased eggs. In July I was pregnant. The ultrasound showed perfectly healthy cyst less ovaries. Don't listen to women, even they don't know sometimes.

10/31/2013 7:49:17 AM

Spray and pray is the only option.

10/31/2013 7:57:01 AM

pm sent

10/31/2013 8:14:47 AM

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"I sincerely hope you guys understand that we're not going to live in a society where you get to have committed girlfriends who support you through life and do everything that a wife would do except have your children. And, once she's past child-bearing age, you decide it's time and get with a much younger woman who is going to raise your children (and care for you in your advanced age that's just around the corner)."

Are you reading the same thread the rest of us are? Most people aren't talking (at all) about situations where you are in a long term relationship and the woman gets pregnant.

10/31/2013 8:41:07 AM

^And the odds of you impregnating a casual acquaintance should be very low.

It should be evident that I'm speaking to the larger cultural and social repercussions of the attitudes that you all are expressing. We've got a real problem already. There are entirely too many men delaying adulthood, and women are reacting with this business about how they don't need a man. But they do need men--badly.

To be clear, abortion is for women, not for you. Women having access to safe abortions was not supposed to signal the start of a baby-free sex party. I repeat, there is no baby-free sex party. Consequences still exist, even with that super fun, cool girl you met at the laundromat and bwned while your clothes dried.

Of course, family planning issues wouldn't be such a problem if we raised girls with an ounce of self-esteem and the ability to see prospects for themselves outside of carrying your babies. But then most of you would never get laid.

10/31/2013 12:18:38 PM

Quote :

"It should be evident that I'm speaking to the larger cultural and social repercussions of the attitudes that you all are expressing. We've got a real problem already. There are entirely too many men delaying adulthood, and women are reacting with this business about how they don't need a man. But they do need men--badly."

this is sexist and irrelevant to the discussion

men people not wanting kids does not mean society needs to step in and say "hey, it's okay for women to steal sperm and carry out irresponsible pregnancies"

we don't need more people, flat out. we need more people with good families and responsible parents

10/31/2013 12:22:01 PM

sounds like some personal issues may be driving some of these arguments

10/31/2013 12:25:02 PM

^^Nobody needs to step in and say anything about whether or not it's okay. It's already happening, and it's been happening since forever. And access to safe abortions hasn't changed that--if anything, this problem has only gotten worse since abortions became more available.

I'm sorry that more women didn't get on board with your baby-free sex party thing.

10/31/2013 12:42:22 PM

It should be apparent at this point that Bridget is upset. She is upset because she knew/knows her best chance at landing a man was 10 years ago when she was young, modestly cute, and only slightly overweight. Now, she sees men her own age going for women 7 to 10 years younger, and feels threatened.
That is the nature of the game though. Women are attracted to wealth, which older men have. Women are attracted to beauty and fresh taint juice, found in younger women.
Which leads us here...to Bridget justifying trapping a man through having a child.

10/31/2013 12:44:35 PM

still plenty of silver foxes lookin for romance out there... if you can bring yourself to do it

10/31/2013 12:51:34 PM

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"There are entirely too many men delaying adulthood, and women are reacting with this business about how they don't need a man. But they do need men--badly."

WTF are you talking about, Bridget?

I don't need a man. I'm lucky enough to have one who makes me very happy, but need is the wrong word.

10/31/2013 1:06:34 PM

that's a pretty sexist statement

[Edited on October 31, 2013 at 1:16 PM. Reason : the quoted statement]

10/31/2013 1:10:28 PM

Oh wow.

Define irony.

10/31/2013 1:11:04 PM

nm

[Edited on October 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM. Reason : yes, the quoted statement]

10/31/2013 1:12:37 PM

^^^^You don't, but plenty of women do. Single motherhood is hard, and I'm not gonna pretend like women are on top of it.

[Edited on October 31, 2013 at 1:13 PM. Reason : sss]

10/31/2013 1:12:42 PM

why do you continue to assume that all women want to be mothers

there are so many things wrong with your line of thought. this is only one of them

10/31/2013 1:14:18 PM

I'm not assuming that.

10/31/2013 1:16:32 PM

and why do you assume anybody arguing against your line of thinking is having crazy raw dog orgies and demanding whimsical abortions?

10/31/2013 1:16:52 PM

^
that part is true though

i have mad awesome orgies all the time. and i carve an abortion tally into the wall next to my bed

10/31/2013 1:18:17 PM

How does this three line quote thing work? Is this a correct application?

Quote :

" RAW DOG ORGY "

Quote :

" WHIMSICAL ABORTION DEMAND "

[Edited on October 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM. Reason : -]

10/31/2013 1:21:17 PM

next time go for a photorealistic tattoo in memoriam. just take an artist a picture, most of them can work so well from photos.

10/31/2013 1:22:02 PM

I do it more like this:

Quote :

"RAW"

Quote :

"DOG"

Quote :

"ORGY"

Most women I know who don't want kids are very careful about their forms of BC, rather than using abortions as a corrective method

[Edited on October 31, 2013 at 1:23 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2013 1:22:22 PM

adultswim is all about whimsical abortions though, Bullet. He thinks, in order to be fair an ethical, women should terminate pregnancies they want in order to try for a baby at a sperm bank.

And I don't think I'm really espousing a "line of thinking." I'm just pointing out the circumstances under which babies are made and have been made forever.



At this point, I plan to keep posting in this thread every day until I can get one person to agree with me. It's going to be so satisfying.

10/31/2013 1:42:24 PM

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"He thinks, in order to be fair an ethical, women should terminate pregnancies they want in order to try for a baby at a sperm bank."

even you admitted that it's dishonest to do otherwise

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"I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying it's how the world works and has always worked."

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"Of course, it's dishonest, and it annoys the hell out of me."

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"At this point, I plan to keep posting in this thread every day until I can get one person to agree with me. It's going to be so satisfying."

lol

[Edited on October 31, 2013 at 1:47 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2013 1:46:55 PM

Even though I had been told since I was 19 that I may never get pregnant I warned anyone who slept with me that any accidents would be kept. I'm sure some dudes thought I was crazy but I wanted to be honest. Knowing that if an accident happened it may be my only chance...well, I wanted the guy to know it. Now, I used birth control and condoms. Pills then IUD then back to pills.

10/31/2013 1:49:14 PM

I generally enjoy learning odd facts about elise's uterus.

10/31/2013 1:51:50 PM

the last two pages confuse me, mostly this page


If I found out I impregnated someone(lol)my first reaction would be to put a smile on my face and assure her things will be fine and we'll figure this out together. At least that's what I would want to hear if I was impregnated at this time in my life. I figure I'd be scared shitless and would need someone strong to lean on.

[Edited on October 31, 2013 at 1:57 PM. Reason : ]

10/31/2013 1:53:05 PM

I still don't understand why you consider your sperm *stolen* when if was clearly given to her. You cannot dictate how she uses it once it is a part of her body. It voluntarily left your possession, it now belongs to her. It's not like you intended for her to borrow your sperm.

10/31/2013 2:05:15 PM

Because condoms never malfunction...

10/31/2013 2:08:09 PM

Still it is not like you were involuntarily sperm jacked. And I don't think these unplanned pregnancies are all mysterious holey condoms.

10/31/2013 2:11:11 PM

even if i concede that it's not theft (which is fair in some situations), it's comparable to giving someone a car, which they then use to drive into your house

yeah, it's their car, but they repurposed it in a way that is not agreeable to you

10/31/2013 2:14:01 PM

Alright, you've gone too far. This isn't fun anymore.

10/31/2013 2:18:06 PM

It really sounds like most of the guys ITT are speaking from the perspective of bwning down with a girl while taking the necessary precautions so as to not have children -- and then the girl getting pregnant.

10/31/2013 2:28:28 PM

Today was the first day I interacted with the user adultswim.

I made some comments about him in another thread that I'm thankful to see proved true here as well.

Interesting that both threads have to do with making babies-

10/31/2013 2:49:27 PM