Man that was painful to watch. I think we know less about what happened now. It's a shame he can't recount clearly what he witnessed.

[Edited on May 1, 2015 at 10:17 AM. Reason : .]

5/1/2015 10:17:44 AM

Ruled a homicide...

And the knife was legal and not a switchblade.

[Edited on May 1, 2015 at 10:47 AM. Reason : Z]

5/1/2015 10:45:29 AM

probably cause for criminal charges

[Edited on May 1, 2015 at 10:48 AM. Reason : h]

5/1/2015 10:46:49 AM

The word Homicide in this case actually means something since the cops were trying to say either he killed himself, or it was accidental due to him not being buckled down. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.

Nice some accountability is coming. Call off the riots

Damn BOOM MURDER BITCH

And she just read them the riot act on leaking information. I like her, like I just got a crush on her.

[Edited on May 1, 2015 at 10:55 AM. Reason : ,]

5/1/2015 10:48:52 AM

Quote :

" or it was accidental due to him not being buckled down"

Aren't things moving towards him being substantially injured prior to being put in the van...then maybe further injured in the van?

[Edited on May 1, 2015 at 11:03 AM. Reason : V interesting, that's what he report just said too]

5/1/2015 10:56:10 AM

^No he was killed in the van.

Turn to CNN if you can.

I think I just fell in love,


Do police vehicles have GPS monitoring?

[Edited on May 1, 2015 at 11:05 AM. Reason : ,]

5/1/2015 10:56:43 AM

Charges: 2nd degree murder, manslaughter, assault

5/1/2015 11:17:23 AM

Charges just issued for 6 officers, ranging up to 2nd degree murder

[Edited on May 1, 2015 at 11:18 AM. Reason : http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-baltimore-death/index.html]

5/1/2015 11:17:47 AM

sounds like they're charging the driver with murdering Gray and placing involuntary manslaughter charges on the people who put him in the van. I'm guessing they must think the other officers wanted the van driver to rough him up on the ride back.

Stop #5 happened at a job site I need to visit soon, and that's probably where he was killed.

Depraved-heart murder - that basically means the driver took actions in complete disregard for whether or not it could kill someone, not that he intentionally killed the person?

[Edited on May 1, 2015 at 11:30 AM. Reason : x]

5/1/2015 11:27:25 AM

I also found it interesting that the prosecutor is saying the officers never established probable cause for an arrest, therefore illegally arrested gray.

That apparently challenges the notion that just because youre running from cops in an arbitrarily defined high-crime area, that is probably cause for arrest.

5/1/2015 11:27:41 AM

"When I was in the Marine core the called me a patriot, when I fight for my people they call me a FUCKING THUG"

Did anyone catch that exchange on CNN. Another black guy comes up and starts arguing with the guy because he's from another part of town.

^ I fear she over reached and will have a hard time getting convictions. But they will also have a impossible job trying to find a Jury for those cases if they go to trial.

[Edited on May 1, 2015 at 11:34 AM. Reason : ,]

5/1/2015 11:33:07 AM

Can we talk about how disgraceful the obvious targeted leak of information by the BPD coupled with the release by the Union was?

I mean it's easy to say it's just a few bad apples but this seemed pretty obvious that there was some major protection going on at a systemic level.

5/1/2015 11:35:43 AM

Quote :

"^ I fear she over reached and will have a hard time getting convictions."

I think the charges against the other officers was for leverage on a conviction against the driver - it gives them incentive to talk if they can get charges dropped. That, and to prevent mass chaos this weekend.

5/1/2015 11:41:14 AM

Yes, i would like to discuss that.


It seems that the targeted leaking of information happens often when the police are involved. It happened with Darren Wilson as well, where some unidentified person that knows the officer in question calls puts out some release to the media to sway public opinion.

In the Freddie Gray situation, it was especially disturbing to see a distorted narrative put out that has Gray essentially comitting suicide.

[Edited on May 1, 2015 at 11:47 AM. Reason : arrest warrants issued ]

5/1/2015 11:42:43 AM

Yea its a disgusting tactic used by the police. I applaud her for immediately launching her own investigation and not waiting on the police report. I'm interested in comparing her findings to that of the Baltimore Police Department since they have been lying about everything since this started. She made a statement about them leaking information, but I can't remember her wording.

5/1/2015 11:48:25 AM

So when shit like this happens, one can start to gain an understanding of why often citizens dont want to cooperate with police.

And one starts to see why people think their best course of action when they see the cops is to go as fast as you fucking can in the other direction.

5/1/2015 11:52:13 AM

wtf kind of question was that?

"is this proof to you that at least in this case to this system, that black lives DO matter???"

5/1/2015 11:58:06 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-man-who-filmed-freddie-gray-video-has-been-arrested-at-gunpoint-10217973.html

5/1/2015 12:05:45 PM

The police are a fucking gang, bro



I think they still have that dude that filmed Eric Gardner's death locked up on some BS charges

5/1/2015 12:13:25 PM

they tried to poison his prison food with rat poison

5/1/2015 12:31:43 PM

Nerve injury is very painful. That had to be torture for him.

5/1/2015 12:36:37 PM

Question. Were the cops that were charged riding in the back of the van with Gray?

If not, I'm having a hard time understanding the manslaughter charges. I think someone should have been charged yes, but this DA have overblown it, and in doing so, has probably "blown it." What she has done is just delayed the inevitable, when they are found not guilty in court.

5/1/2015 1:41:24 PM

At least conservative media has found a new angle. Despite her families five generation history in law enforcement they want her to recuse herself since Grays lawyer supported her election.

Strangely they were fine with McCullough though.

5/1/2015 1:55:36 PM

They want a special prosecutor, so what? You know the police union is going to fight this tooth and nail, any way they can.

5/1/2015 2:03:44 PM

For the record, no I was not going to discuss Freddie Gray

5/1/2015 2:08:09 PM

Quote :

"Question. Were the cops that were charged riding in the back of the van with Gray? If not, I'm having a hard time understanding the manslaughter charges. I think someone should have been charged yes, but this DA have overblown it, and in doing so, has probably "blown it." What she has done is just delayed the inevitable, when they are found not guilty in court."

I'm guessing all of the officers were charged because they all had some part in the false arrest, assault, wrongful detainment, and failure to buckle him into the paddy wagon... while on duty. At least one of them failed to get him medical attention. Only the driver (I'm guessing??) is actually charged with Manslaughter by vehicle.
It wouldn't matter if they were all riding in the back with Gray. They put him there.

5/1/2015 2:24:40 PM

Baltimore was having enough trouble with hiring and keeping officers on the force; it's about to get a lot worse. The Western district has typically been one of the worst staffed, and for good reason: why would you want to deal with all the knuckleheads in that area when you could get a job with Baltimore or Howard county making more money to patrol the suburbs?

The City officials want all of the focus to be on what the cops did, and that is going to backfire on them in a major way. They've dragged their feet for decades on paying competitive wages to hire and retain a well-trained police force, relying on working tons of overtime with rookies to make up the difference. The Baltimore police force is going to look at the charges coming against all 6 officers instead of 1 or 2 of them as a sign that it's time to go find work somewhere else, and that's not a problem that can be fixed with more overtime.

5/1/2015 2:36:17 PM

Or its time to stop nickle rides. You can be a cop without abusing people.

5/1/2015 2:39:03 PM

Quote :

"Question. Were the cops that were charged riding in the back of the van with Gray? If not, I'm having a hard time understanding the manslaughter charges. I think someone should have been charged yes, but this DA have overblown it, and in doing so, has probably "blown it." What she has done is just delayed the inevitable, when they are found not guilty in court."

Depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an American legal term for an action that demonstrates a "callous disregard for human life" and results in death. In most states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder.[1]
If no death results, such acts would generally be defined as reckless endangerment (sometimes known as "culpable negligence") and possibly other crimes, such as assault.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder

5/1/2015 2:48:10 PM

Priorities...

5/1/2015 2:49:07 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/04/30/how-western-media-would-cover-baltimore-if-it-happened-elsewhere/?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b

5/1/2015 2:52:42 PM

"I thought the blacks in Baltimore were bad..."
https://youtu.be/8TDFJpRkARA?t=1m36s

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5/1/2015 3:05:10 PM

The police union should be more concerned with the conduct of their officers than who the prosecutor is.

5/1/2015 5:00:19 PM

well, there were several conflicts of interest

i dont necessarily disagree with you though

5/1/2015 5:03:11 PM

How much right do they have to keep people off the highway. I want to see i95 shutdown completely from baltimore and philly. Do b it hong kong style and just setup a camp.

5/1/2015 6:14:48 PM

Quote :

"Top row from left, Caesar R. Goodson Jr., Garrett E. Miller and Edward M. Nero, and bottom row from left, William G. Porter, Brian W. Rice and Alicia D. White, the six police officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray."

5/1/2015 9:34:08 PM

So is Baltimore more backwards than South Carolina? Cause there weren't riots and stuff in Charleston when they charged that cop with murder.

5/1/2015 9:43:00 PM

Quote :

"So is Baltimore more backwards than South Carolina"

Absolutely

5/1/2015 9:47:04 PM

The black community is minority in charleston and could never pull some shit like that in the south.

The black community runs baltimore. At least on a level similar to this

5/1/2015 10:28:45 PM

I was talking with someone from Norway this week, and they were saying that their police get 3 years of education (2 years classroom, 1 year of practical) before becoming police.

Doesn't seem like our poLice have near as much training.

5/1/2015 10:50:11 PM

Its fucking norway. They do everything the right way.

How long will this damn curfew last? at this point its a punishment grounding the city like a teenager.

5/1/2015 11:01:33 PM

In South Carolina charges came 3 days or so later. So no need to riot to bring attention to the wrong that had been done.

5/1/2015 11:01:57 PM

Quote :

"I'm guessing all of the officers were charged because they all had some part in the false arrest, assault, wrongful detainment, and failure to buckle him into the paddy wagon... while on duty. At least one of them failed to get him medical attention. Only the driver (I'm guessing??) is actually charged with Manslaughter by vehicle. It wouldn't matter if they were all riding in the back with Gray. They put him there."

I'm thinking it's because they were aware of what was happening and did nothing to stop it. Kind of the same way the driver in an armed robbery can be charged with murder even when he wasn't the person who actually pulled the trigger.

5/2/2015 2:39:12 PM

Quote :

"That apparently challenges the notion that just because youre running from cops in an arbitrarily defined high-crime area, that is probably cause for arrest."

Mightve been addressed already, but they arrested him due to the pocketknife he had on him, not due to him fleeing. They claimed it was an illegal knife, which was obviously bullshit and has since been verified as bullshit.

The only thing that running from the cops did here was give the cops authority to chase and search him which is evidently legit. Just running doesn't give them the authority to arrest you though.... they have to find something once they catch you.

5/2/2015 4:20:44 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/freddie-gray-death-prosecutor-marilyn-mosby-lays-out-chain-events-n352096

If that's what happened, the charges against the bike cops are bullshit and nothing more than a political stunt to contain the rioting. The driver sounds like a real shitbag though, stopping to ask the guy if he needs medical assistance and then just driving off afterwards.

I want to see a picture of the knife he had; if he had a spring-assisted knife then I could easily see some rookie cops not knowing if it was legal or not. Ask a dozen officers what kind of knife is legal or illegal to carry, and you'll get a dozen different answers. Even if it was a spring-assisted knife, my understanding of the laws up here is that they are only illegal if concealed. I don't see how having a knife clipped to your pocket makes it concealed. Maybe there's a law up here preventing felons from carrying a switchblade and they knew the man had convictions?

[Edited on May 2, 2015 at 5:33 PM. Reason : on rereading it, the same bike cops were there for the second arrest and still did nothing.]

5/2/2015 5:27:28 PM

I was clicking around last night when I noticed on CNN the cops were arresting a man with a bloody head. Apparently he had thrown a glass bottle at the cops. I kept clicking around and hit MSNBC and Fox News. Below are the three honest to God descriptions of the same event:

CNN: Well, there's a black man bleeding on the ground.
MSNBS: The black man wasn't bleeding before the cops dragged him across the street.
Fox: The cops area doing their best to keep the crowd in order.

All while covering the same event. I'm not really trying to make a point, I just think it is interesting how three different news organizations cover the same event.

5/3/2015 12:12:22 PM

Quote :

"then I could easily see some rookie cops not knowing if it was legal or not. Ask a dozen officers what kind of knife is legal or illegal to carry, and you'll get a dozen different answers."

Ignorance is no excuse.

5/3/2015 7:22:45 PM

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

5/3/2015 9:32:23 PM

The Supreme Court disagrees (as long as you're a cop).

5/3/2015 10:12:24 PM

Have we talked about the couple of times the van stopped on the way to the station, only one of which was to pick up another dude?

Seems like maybe they kicked the shit out of him while he was cuffed in addition to maybe giving him a nickel ride.

Glad to see charges being filed, we'll see how the prosecution goes. Anybody care to wager on whether or not cops will show up in uniform and stare down the jury?

[Edited on May 3, 2015 at 10:46 PM. Reason : I skipped a page, no wonder I didn't see the mentions about the stops.]

5/3/2015 10:40:33 PM