Gonna refuse to let the cops illegally search your house? BOOM.

Gonna drive with a busted tail light? BOOM.

7/11/2016 8:47:57 PM

Yes they should have EOD equipment. No they shouldn't be allowed to kill Citizens of the United States with them.

7/11/2016 8:59:29 PM

^ Holy fuck. What is this...nuance? On my TWW? A rare sight indeed!

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"Gonna barricade yourself? is that your plan? Think again. BOOM."

[Edited on July 11, 2016 at 9:09 PM. Reason : I realize dumb slippery slope arguments are way more fun, so I appreciate your post.]

7/11/2016 9:07:40 PM

They should only kill illegal immigrants with them, amirite?

7/11/2016 9:10:11 PM

http://mashable.com/2016/01/10/1985-move-bombing/#sYXtnIQKZkqY

7/11/2016 9:22:58 PM

So I'll take that as a no.

Who should handle our cities' EOD duties. The US Army?

7/11/2016 9:27:56 PM

Valuable life lesson.

https://www.facebook.com/TwerkFlixOfficial/videos/632891496873600/

7/11/2016 9:33:38 PM

I have an incredible amount of respect for police officers and the bombing of citizens they do

7/11/2016 9:35:22 PM

No, bomb squads are fine. But people =/= explosive ordinance (i mean unless they're suicide bombers or that dude with a bomb collar).

Blowing up a suspect isn't policing. It's warfare. Those cops took an extreme measure because they were angry/scared after their peers were shot. There were other courses of action that wouldn't involve blowing a guy up with a drone.

7/11/2016 9:36:20 PM

I vote the mask takes care of EOD

he'll deal with them spicy meatballs

7/11/2016 9:37:07 PM

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" Blowing up a suspect isn't policing"

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" But people =/= explosive ordinance (i mean unless they're suicide bombers or that dude with a bomb collar)."

They're not a "suspect" when they're shooting at you

[Edited on July 11, 2016 at 9:44 PM. Reason : Dude said he had bombs on him too, soooooooo]

7/11/2016 9:43:42 PM

I wouldn't waste a police dog, but couldn't they have release some feral cats on him?

7/11/2016 9:47:12 PM

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" There were other courses of action that wouldn't involve blowing a guy up with a drone."

What other courses of action, that wouldn't involve an increased risk to officers or the public?

7/11/2016 9:49:34 PM

Tear gas?

7/11/2016 9:50:26 PM

That wouldn't instantly incapacitate him, which one would want to do if he claimed to have explosive devices he could set to go off.

7/11/2016 9:52:43 PM

thoughts and prayers, obv

7/11/2016 9:58:48 PM

For the robot right?

7/11/2016 10:08:24 PM

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"What other courses of action, that wouldn't involve an increased risk to officers or the public?"

lololololol......dude......A month ago, "Police Bomb Robots" didn't even exist.


Do you mean to tell me that a month ago there would have been no other way to stop this guy?

Is that it? All the cops would have been standing around, crying about their inability to do anything? Just sitting there, patiently waiting for modern robotics to come up with a solution?

7/11/2016 11:42:30 PM

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one horrified by the police's extra-judicial killing of a suspect using a fucking bomb

7/11/2016 11:55:17 PM

I wrote David Price, Richard Burr, and Thom Tillis and expressed my outrage earlier tonight. I plan to call my nc rep and senator tomorrow and leave messages.

7/12/2016 12:03:44 AM

^^

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"They're not a "suspect" when they're shooting at you"

Dude said he had bombs on him too.

[Edited on July 12, 2016 at 12:21 AM. Reason : Disagree with decision all you want, but don't come in here with this "suspect" BS.]

7/12/2016 12:04:46 AM

forest... trees.

7/12/2016 12:35:44 AM

Except you just argued the tree, without making a wider point about the forest.

[Edited on July 12, 2016 at 12:39 AM. Reason : at least others shat out some slippery slope forest arguments.]

7/12/2016 12:38:50 AM

Keep thinking that it's ok for the police to be able to execute someone with explosives, no questions asked. That's really going to work out well for all of us

7/12/2016 12:59:22 AM

When you are [actually] shooting a gun at said police you are no longer in control of your life.

[Edited on July 12, 2016 at 1:03 AM. Reason : but thanks for the feeble slippery slope attempt at the end of that post at least]

[Edited on July 12, 2016 at 1:07 AM. Reason : and I'll agree there aren't nearly enough indictments of overuse of deadly force, but saying "no questions asked" is not the reality]

7/12/2016 1:02:26 AM

^^Not everything is a slippery slope, and when it comes to political things, it's the duty of citizens to stay involved to make sure the slope has good traction.

Or are you against the general idea of using robots to reduce harm to humans in life threatening situations?

[Edited on July 12, 2016 at 1:05 AM. Reason : ]

7/12/2016 1:05:18 AM

Except for the fact that he wasn't actually shooting at the police at the time that they decided to blow him up. We won't let facts get in the way of our opinions though, lol.
It's funny, though, how you don't want to talk about the general principle, and just want to allow such things completely, based on the specific facts in this case.

^ I'm against the idea of the police being allowed to use explosives to kill people, out of general principle. For fuck's sake, they can't show restraint with a handgun, what the hell makes you think they will do so with bombs? Or have you forgotten about the time police dropped explosives into an apartment building in Philly?

7/12/2016 1:13:56 AM

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"I'm against the idea of the police being allowed to use explosives to kill people, out of general principle. For fuck's sake, they can't show restraint with a handgun, what the hell makes you think they will do so with bombs? Or have you forgotten about the time police dropped explosives into an apartment building in Philly? "

I see what you're saying, but the solution to police not behaving with accountability isn't the put them in a box (or on a pedestal), it's to create good systems of accountability.

A good example is how the police behaved in Baton Rouge, barging into the department store, hassling the owner, illegally seizing the tapes. They roughed up the girlfriend of Castille, in the Eric Garner case, they found the guy who released the video, and made his life hell. They've probably done this in other cases that i'm not remembering. It seems pretty clear that police, around the country, operate with impunity.

This is the whole reason #BLM exists-- to fight for justice and accountable systems. The problem is not that police are innately incapable of wielding weapons built on new technologies (or adaptations of new technology), it's that police have no legal accountability.

North Carolina is a perfect example of how to embrace new technology in the completely incorrect way. They just very quietly passed a body cam law that placed the entirety of control of body cam footage in the hands of police departments, no review processes, no mechanisms to detect tampering with evidence, no regulations on what cops caught misusing or not using cams have to face, literally nothing i the public interest. It's a huge travesty of law making.

So I think we hopefully agree in this specific case, maybe the police were justified, but your battle shouldn't be against specific technologies or techniques, i think your battle should be with the systems of accountability. Fix these systems, and we don't have to worry about corrupt, lazy or power hungry cops going nuts with over powered technologies.

7/12/2016 1:22:32 AM

In general, I would agree with your approach, but not in this case, and especially not with bombs and explosives. Even a police force that was actually good at holding its officers accountable for fuck-ups shouldn't be allowed to use explosives to kill people. They are police officers, not the military.

7/12/2016 1:24:48 AM

But why? That doesn't seem like a technologically sound reasoning. It's tantamount to banning a gun on the basis of if it has a pistol grip or butt stock.

Not all explosives are made equal. A bullet is propelled with explosives. Explosives without shrapnel are non lethal after a few feet with just physical barriers. Smoke grenades and tear gas canisters have explosive mechanisms.

I'm not willing to argue for broadly restricting a tool from police based on a hollywood perception of how "explosions" work.

7/12/2016 1:31:23 AM

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"This is the whole reason #BLM exists-- to fight for justice and accountable systems."

LOL, you mean to sabotage any actual justice and progress by dividing everyone, creating a race-baiting lynch mob, and further creating distrust between police and minorities based on exaggerated, unrepresentative cases of police brutality that go viral because it furthers the liberal victimhood narrative when actual statistics won't. Not to mention the paid protestors by George Soros... but yea, in typical SJW fashion lets just say "justice" and "equality" so we feel good about ourselves. #IStandWithSoros and if you disagree, or don't pay lip service, you're a racist.

Utter insanity, and I blame SJWs.

7/12/2016 1:40:37 AM

I can say a sentence and feel good while making others feel bad. And it's a popular opinion. Why wouldn't I do that? Why would I bother to research all of the information available and form an independent opinion? You're a racist.

7/12/2016 1:48:02 AM

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" What other courses of action, that wouldn't involve an increased risk to officers or the public?"

contain and wait.

7/12/2016 9:19:17 AM

^ Great point. Like I said, he should have been given a safe space to work it out on his own.

7/12/2016 9:50:38 AM

you just using buzz words doesn't make it a bad strategy when a shooter is contained in an empty building

7/12/2016 9:53:32 AM

wait until what?

7/12/2016 10:01:05 AM

He starves to death.

7/12/2016 10:02:32 AM

contain and wait probably wasn't the best idea for resources at the time, they were thinking multiple shooters

7/12/2016 10:04:45 AM

For the owner of the building, who is going to cover the destruction brought on by that bomb? I mean I realize we're talking about human life here, and that repair costs are inconsequential when compared to loss of life, but it's not something many people think about.

Had they waited for him to come out where they could snipe him, I'm sure some insurance company isn't going to have to shell out 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars to fix what that bomb did.

How long can one man hold up in an empty building? I guess what we don't know was if there was food and water in there.

Why stop at a bomb though? Just tank the bastard out. It's Dallas, somebody has a tank somewhere.

7/12/2016 10:05:59 AM

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"contain and wait probably wasn't the best idea for resources at the time, they were thinking multiple shooters"

the other people (who were not involved) were already detained

he is contained in a building, you send in cameras to monitor. you wait for him to get hot, tired, hungry, thirsty and you re-establish communication and try to get him to surrender. it's how they deal with a lot of standoffs.

maybe there is something about the building that makes this not practical, but all the responses here have just been about it taking too long or being too politically correct

7/12/2016 10:14:10 AM

i would have preferred he surrendered, studying the guy could provide a lot of info

but they gave him hours to surrender, so sending in wall-e was just a consequence of his own decisions

7/12/2016 10:26:48 AM

oh sorry, i forgot that police have a death penalty for making them wait

7/12/2016 10:40:55 AM

Dont forget, the police were taunted.

7/12/2016 10:54:16 AM

HE WAS SINGING

7/12/2016 11:14:31 AM

I am curious what he was "singing". A Body Count song? NWA? Was he actually singing, or rapping?

7/12/2016 11:30:32 AM

Probably some knocking hippity hopping song that starts off real low, but gets louder like OOOOHHHHHH. PACK PACK POWER PACK

7/12/2016 12:42:22 PM

Probably went down like this.

7/12/2016 12:45:05 PM

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"contain and wait probably wasn't the best idea for resources at the time"

especially when he's saying there are explosives elsewhere in the city, and on himself.

7/12/2016 12:48:07 PM

I bet 4.5/5 hour standoff was spent driving that drone around the building looking for the guy. It'd be funny if he snuck up behind it and pulled the battery out.

7/12/2016 12:55:28 PM

You could do that on Fallout 3.

7/12/2016 1:00:08 PM