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"as I was saying in another thread, being anti-trans is now proven to be a losing issue"

11/4/2026 2:38:26 PM

I’ve never said it was the issue they lost. I’ve said they banked on it being a winner and it very clearly wasn’t

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"ITT, but you're acting as if transphobia is somehow solved because of a blue meteor that just cratered a significant portion of MAGA, "

no, I’m saying that it’s never been a major issue for why Dems have lost, and Republicans thought it was THE reason Dems have lost in the past, and they decided to light hundreds of millions of dollars on fire to test their theory

^ A losing issue, not THE losing issue

11/4/2026 2:40:40 PM

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"if the trans activists can take the W and chill tf out"

I spend a ton of time in very left spaces and have a trans family member, and over the last year or so I've heard shouting and big public displays from tons of anti trans activists but almost none from the other side. Who on the ?pro-trans? side has anywhere near the platform of, say, a jk Rowling or even Enes Kanter (who barely had a platform)

[Edited on November 4, 2026 at 2:43 PM. Reason : E]

11/4/2026 2:42:51 PM

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"An effort to ban transgender girls from girls school sports in Washington has a significant lead in election results released Tuesday night. According to the Secretary of State’s office, 57% of voters said yes on Initiative 638, one of three ballot measures backed by conservative political committee Let’s Go Washington. Similar initiatives restricting transgender students’ participation in school sports were also leading in Colorado, Nebraska and Arizona, a bright spot for conservatives on a night otherwise marked by victories for progressives. In Washington, more votes will be counted in the coming days, and could determine the future of the blue state’s status as a haven for transgender people. Nearly 20 years ago, Washington made history as the first state to allow transgender students to compete on sports teams consistent with their gender identity. Now, Washington is among the first states in the nation to put the question of transgender participation in school sports directly before voters, an issue that has largely been decided through legislation elsewhere. "

WA was pretty much the only state in 2024 to actually turn bluer, yet this along with the Millionaire's tax being upheld (which is unconstitutional in the state of WA btw), just goes to show you that people can still pencil in hateful legislation while simultaneously waving woke/progressive flags and pat themselves on the back.

11/4/2026 2:45:49 PM

and there is a very good chance that it’ll go to the state supreme court where the newly elected justices will have an opportunity to say it’s unconstitutional

11/4/2026 2:48:39 PM

maybe in WA? Maybe not in AZ, CO, and NE...

You're still not getting it. YOU made the argument that anti-trans legislation is a losing proposition and I, and others, have simply pointed out that nah, unfortunately, it's not gone, and it can easily keep cropping up again, even in the most 'progressive' states since it's still an incredibly polarizing issue.

I wish it weren't, but that's life in 2026 for ya.

11/4/2026 2:52:43 PM

On a similar topic, the tax revolt will be a killer for any future democratic agenda at the local/state/national level

One area where Republicans were successful are regressive tax amendments in multiple states, which will leech public funds and, with our luck, the gaps will probably start to show in 2029. Democrats need to start today figuring out a makeover for taxes, a way to sell all the things they get you, etc.

11/4/2026 3:34:27 PM

Incidentally, I voted to repeal WA's millionaire tax. Not because I oppose taxing the rich, but because of the insane precedent it sets when a tyrannical governor rams policy through under duress just to placate pissed off voters. Meanwhile, why the fuck aren't Washington corporations paying their fair share? The state is home to some of the wealthiest corporations on Earth. Along with private equity, they've gentrified and gutted the very communities that welcomed them, only to pack up for other states where they'll inevitably pull the exact same BS.

Oh, well. I ain't a millionaire, so it's not like it actually affects me

11/4/2026 4:02:30 PM

I haven't had a chance to dig too much into exit poll data but I did just see this, fwiw

11/4/2026 4:04:35 PM

That seems like a terrible choice for someone supporting Democratic policies which almost always require revenue.

11/4/2026 4:04:46 PM

It's terrible of me to oppose an unconstitutional wealth tax that I never voted for in the first place? IDK man. I moved to WA because it has a great QOL and part of the reason that's possible is because my paycheck goes farther than it did in California. Don't you live in FL or TX? WA has the highest minimum wage in the country, crazy high vehicle registration fees, and very high sales tax, plus county/city taxes, and voters routinely pass bonds and levies (basically a tax that's just called something else). The state spends a ton of money already on social services, and I'm OK with that. I don't see what's so radical about opposing the way something is implemented on principle while begrudgingly accepting the reality that people are hurting everywhere, and a small group of millionaires are going to wind up either paying for it or deciding to leave ala Elon.

11/4/2026 4:46:47 PM

I don't think our country is ready yet to fully embrace trans people as a whole, but I do think that the Right making "protecting girls sports" as some issue that was supposedly as important as cost of living or the Iran War, was a complete failure.

11/4/2026 5:19:22 PM

I think that's fair.

11/4/2026 6:39:18 PM

These are not mutually exclusive statements:
The excesses of the trans rights movement harmed Democrats in 2024
Focusing on trans issues was ineffective for the GOP in 2026 when gas was 60% more expensive and people couldn't afford groceries

Fuck, why is this so hard to comprehend

11/4/2026 10:06:24 PM

what excesses?

11/4/2026 10:19:11 PM

^a bunch. I didnt move to Florida as a tax haven, I moved here bc I got a job here. Give me a tax increase to vote on and I'll almost always vote yes. Put a constitutional amendment to add a state income tax, even, I'm down.


Also from a trans "activist" (person):

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"hundreds of millions of dollars on anti-trans advertising being proven totally irrelevant- not positive, not negative, just a proper heat check that normal people simply don't care and it's lighting money on fire to try to politicize my identity- is so, so liberating "

[Edited on November 4, 2026 at 10:42 PM. Reason : E]

11/4/2026 10:41:15 PM

It’s funny you’re saying millionaires shouldn’t have a wealth tax while literally saying you’re okay with your own self paying high property taxes (which is literally a wealth tax)

Wealth taxes on wealthy people are the same principle as charging EV owners higher highway use taxes— they don’t buy gas so they have to make it up. Likewise wealthy people have a dramatically lower percentage of their wealth in things that the rest of us pay wealth taxes on, so we have to make it up somehow.

11/4/2026 10:54:02 PM

I assume that's directed at UJW?

11/4/2026 11:21:03 PM

I think?

Anyway, let the WA millionaires pay the wealth tax. I’m not exactly angry it passed since I’m not the one paying extra, and sure, I’ll benefit in some ways from their generosity. I just don’t like things that are unconstitutional becoming the norm because someone decides that rules and a state constitution aren’t important (when they are).

11/4/2026 11:30:19 PM

Also, I never said anything about supporting high property taxes, and I don't consider them particularly fair tbh. My property tax burden can go up simply because the market decides my house is worth more, even if my income hasn't changed and I haven't actually experienced any appreciation to my home value.

Aside from that, the EV analogy is a poor comparison. Road-use taxes are about contributing toward infrastructure based on how you use it. Wealth taxes are about taxing accumulated assets and net worth. Those are two entirely different tax principles.

Funny enough, I actually lease a Tesla myself So I'm definitely not arguing that EV owners shouldn't contribute toward road maintenance. I'm saying that using an EV road-use fee to justify a wealth tax is comparing two fundamentally different things.

Anyway, you’re arguing against positions I didn't take. I generally support progressive taxation, but that doesn't mean I have to support every proposed tax or consider every method of taxation as being fair or equitable. The goal and the mechanism are two separate conversations.

[Edited on November 5, 2026 at 12:14 AM. Reason : .]

11/5/2026 12:13:25 AM

Your position is paradoxical is what I’m saying. Gas cars pay part of their use tax in gasoline sales. But if everyone switched to EVs there would be zero revenue from this gas tax so they shift the tax to the reality of where people’s money is.

Wealth taxes go to fund lots of social services but wealthy people proportionally don’t pay as much property tax so it’s correct and desirable to shift the tax to where the wealth is. There’s no slippery slope here, this is just basic tax math.

But you do bring up a good point. One way to sell a rich people wealth tax is maybe to tell people you’ll reduce their middle class people wealth tax.

11/5/2026 12:22:39 AM