As a co-leader of the Sidney Sunshine Squad

The Doeren Dickriders are delusional

There comes a time when you have to admit that the coach sucks

We can all hope that he turns it around, but I don't understand what he's done to deserve how blindly some defend him. I mean, even shitty Sidney Lowe beat UNC his first year. TOB consistently beat UNC and won a couple conference games each year. Doeren "saves his career" by beating Syracuse...in football.

[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 10:30 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2014 10:28:30 PM

The ghost of TOB is upon you

11/10/2014 10:33:45 PM

The only way Doeren's future salary is a sunk cost is if we don't pay anyone else to coach the team for the rest of Doeren's contract term. Fire him with time left on his contract, and then you are paying him, and paying the next coach too. That's a prospective cost of a second set of coaches salaries'.


And you keep him because he went from 3-8 in year one to (at worst) 5-7 in year two. Scoring differential has closed up by about 6 points. It's not like we're getting worse instead of better. Also, it's his second year and he hasn't gotten caught snorting coke off of a cheerleader's ass. sheesh.

11/10/2014 10:41:14 PM

Quote :

"you don't understand sunk cost. We should be looking for our next coach tomorrow, otherwise we are just wasting time, as well as already wasted money"

At no point did I say he should or should not be kept as coach. Someone asked why nobody is suggesting he be extended & I gave simply one reason why he wouldn't (which didn't even include his 1-13conference record). No need to go reading into posts what isn't there

11/10/2014 11:19:12 PM

Again. He just got here. I honestly don't think any coach could have done much better at this point given the situation.

It takes yesar 3 to even begin judging a coach's success. By year 5 you can definitively say he's doing well or bad. You guys are trying to say you know he's bad 3 years too early

[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 11:28 PM. Reason : By this time next year we will have our first glimpse of how he is doing at the start of his tenure ]

11/10/2014 11:25:58 PM

Oh for fuck's sake do we have to rehash the same fucking arguments on every page? You retards swing at argumentative shadows like no other. No one is defending him. He's not doing well right now. We get it, you want to go ahead and fire him. That's an absolutely retarded idea in every way.


Please for God's sake just stop posting in the fuckin thread until the end of next season.

11/10/2014 11:37:59 PM

It should be obvious by now that this dude doesn't even football.


Doeren will never out-recruit FSU or Clemson. So he will never have more talent than they will. This means he will have to -at some point- outclass them from the sidelines with inferior talent if he wants to win the Atlantic division (because that's why we hired him, right?). He's already shown in 2 seasons that he won't be able to do that.


And food for thought. After this Saturday, he will have coached just as many games as the NC State head coach as he did for Northern Illinois.

Dude's a bust.

11/10/2014 11:39:24 PM

^^I don't know who's saying to fire him, I'm not. But I'm saying criticizing a guy who has sucked so far is not trolling. What he can do in the future is unknown, and I'm sure we all hope it's good things.

mambagrl acts like we're the worst program ever and it should take 5 years before we even expect to win a conference game...but that just goes to show that there aren't any mods in ST

11/10/2014 11:43:41 PM

^He's projecting. No one is saying fire him so he's raging about being called a DD dick licker.

11/10/2014 11:53:11 PM

For alliteration's sake, I kindly request that you change "licker" to "Diddler"

11/11/2014 12:12:29 AM

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"Oh for fuck's sake do we have to rehash the same fucking arguments on every page? You retards swing at argumentative shadows like no other. No one is defending him. He's not doing well right now. We get it, you want to go ahead and fire him. That's an absolutely retarded idea in every way."

11/11/2014 7:49:17 AM

I will say this about DD. I thought I was apathetic at the end of TOB's tenure...

11/11/2014 8:06:21 AM

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"For alliteration's sake, I kindly request that you change "licker" to "Diddler""

Too late. Already started a kickball team and named them the DD Dick Lickers. Shirts are ordered.

11/11/2014 8:06:29 AM

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"Oh for fuck's sake do we have to rehash the same fucking arguments on every page? You retards swing at argumentative shadows like no other. No one is defending him. He's not doing well right now. We get it, you want to go ahead and fire him. That's an absolutely retarded idea in every way"

11/11/2014 8:36:19 AM

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"I will say this about DD. I thought I was apathetic at the end of TOB's tenure..."

Yeah, I don't know if its me getting older and just having other shit that I care about more...or the constant losing...but I don't think I've watched a full State football game from beginning to end since the LA Tech game to open the season last year.

11/11/2014 8:42:26 AM

This was the first year in a while that I didn't get season tickets...and hell I've only watched 3-4 games all the way through. Didn't shut off the games in disgust, rather I just scheduled other things during the games b/c it's a better use of time.

11/11/2014 9:05:16 AM

And the sentiment from students isn't much better. The fact that he's only won one ACC game doesn't give the student body a lot of pride. We're the worst ACC team of the past two years. Even WF has more ACC wins. That's not discrepancy of talent....

11/11/2014 9:19:27 AM

wat? Wake's 2 wins are versus gardner-webb and army. They have zero acc wins.

11/11/2014 9:21:54 AM

maybe he means in the last two years Wake has more ACC wins?

11/11/2014 9:28:38 AM

^that's definitely what he meant.

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"We're the worst ACC team of the past two years. Even WF has more ACC wins. That's not discrepancy of talent...."

11/11/2014 9:30:43 AM

One of those wins was against US...

11/11/2014 9:33:17 AM

I just hope we can recruit at a Duke level. Those studs are rolling the coastal division. Loaded.

11/11/2014 10:04:15 AM

If we could recruit at almost anyones level I would be happy. We had 1-2 (depending on who you got your stats from) 4 stars. How do you only get that if you're supposed to be rebuilding a program? Even Marshall and WF can get four stars. The recruits this year look even worse, so unless if DD has something hidden then we aren't looking at good rebuilding classes from DD..

11/12/2014 12:38:19 AM

^

11/12/2014 1:36:31 AM

^^Lol calm down chicken little, our recruits are developing just fine.

11/12/2014 1:49:32 PM

As evidenced by all of the missed tackles and dropped passes.

11/12/2014 1:53:00 PM

Actually, all of our true and redshirt freshman receivers are doing pretty good. Particuarly Hines... I think he had his first drop on Saturday. Same with several our young defensive players, particuarly Fernandez and Moore (who are a fr and rsfr). I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about... surprise, surprise.

11/12/2014 1:58:32 PM

So this staff can only coach the players they recruit? Its going to be a long three years to get all of the uncoachable talent out of the system.

-1,000 credibility

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 2:14 PM. Reason : Only 3 Fr have receptions this season. Should be higher if they were improving so much.]

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 2:14 PM. Reason : 1]

11/12/2014 2:12:43 PM

yeah, you might not want to watch or comment on tww until then... unless you enjoy bitching and complaining.

^geez dude, you really don't know what you're talking about. At least 6 freshmen, rs freshmen, or true sophomores have had receptions.

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 2:24 PM. Reason : ]

11/12/2014 2:15:44 PM

Everyone's getting trolled by Earl.

There's not a power conference program in the country that wouldn't can a guy if he had a losing season in each of his first 3 years. We fired Tom Reed after 3 losing seasons. He had a better conference record at this point than DD has.

5 years is what you give a coach at Campbell or some other school that doesn't give a shit or spend this much money on football.

11/12/2014 2:15:55 PM

I know that dude is trolling, but I had too much time on my hands yesterday and looked at where our 14 non-redshirting true freshmen (Doeren's first real class) are on the depth chart:
1st: Hines, Hill, Moore
1st/2nd split: Adams, Pratt
2nd: Samuels, Louis, Ju. Jones, Street, Stevens
3rd: Chubb, Boone
N/A: Cook, Vincent

to me, that is pretty impressive, to me

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM. Reason : a]

11/12/2014 2:21:16 PM

So how many true freshman are redshirting this year? 4 or 5? That's not at all encouraging.

11/12/2014 2:24:27 PM

why? not encouraging for this season, or not encouraging for the future? what are you talking about?

11/12/2014 2:25:28 PM

14
McClendon, Trowell, Bradbury, Till, T. Jones, Prescod, Richardson, Shute, Middleton, Holden, Culler, Davis, McCain, De. Wright

[Edited on November 12, 2014 at 2:28 PM. Reason : a]

11/12/2014 2:26:04 PM

^Ok, gotcha. Thought you were saying that we had 14 true freshmen, with 10 on either 1st or 2nd teams.

^^If we are signing only 2 and 3 star-level players (which we are doing), we want them to stay in the system for five years, not four. We need that extra redshirt year for as many players as possible. This is how Groh built Wake Forest and Cut has built Duke.

11/12/2014 2:34:54 PM

11/12/2014 2:38:44 PM

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"So this staff can only coach the players they recruit? Its going to be a long three years to get all of the uncoachable talent out of the system."

In this case yes. Blanket statements don't work for every situation. Thats why we have a cool thing called context. In this situation, our current coach runs systems that are completely opposite of our former coach so the players are incompatible. Its like asking the basketball team to play football. Most of the players on the team instantly become freshmen again, even worse, they had to stop doing what they were used to. We brought him in to run his unconventional systems which is why nobody cares about this year or last year.

Anyone who knows about modern day football knows a spread lineman is not the same as a pro style lineman. A 4-3 linebacker is not the same as a 4-2-5 linebacker. They have a completely different set of skills and responsibilities.

A coach's job isn't just what you see on tv. Most of the coaching staff's job is developing the players each day at practice. We've seen this happening at a pace that is satisfying. Our sophs are really starting to look good.

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"Doeren will never out-recruit FSU or Clemson. So he will never have more talent than they will. This means he will have to -at some point- outclass them from the sidelines with inferior talent if he wants to win the Atlantic division (because that's why we hired him, right?). He's already shown in 2 seasons that he won't be able to do that."

So you expect him to be a better coach than Da AND Jim Bo? Good luck affording a coach that can do that.

You're going to be upset and posting in threads like this until you realize we will never keep up with the good teams of the deep south. You forgot Louisville. We could have a great year once and win the atlantic but we'll never be able to consistently beat all three of those SEC-type programs in our division.

If there was no SEC or FSU, Clemson would be working on their 3rd straight national championship right now.

11/12/2014 5:07:30 PM

So we fired a guy who couldn't win the Atlantic so that we could hire a more expensive guy (who will never win the Atlantic).



Bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for us.

11/12/2014 5:20:26 PM

Yeah before clemson and fsu were winning national championships

11/12/2014 5:31:51 PM

FSU and Clemson will win the Atlantic every year, it's not even worth arguing. Teams like Wake Forest and BC will never win the division.

11/12/2014 5:38:58 PM

He just said the WF game is a rivarly game...

11/12/2014 8:48:44 PM

if we had hired Ken Niumatalolo like I wanted, we'd already have the division locked up this season.

11/12/2014 9:03:10 PM

^^His credibility shot to zero for me when he bowed down at the altar of Jim Grobe last year

11/12/2014 9:19:37 PM

*Slow Clap* for that Earl post

11/12/2014 10:11:56 PM

the sad part is .... if people toned down their batshit crazy by about 20-30% we could probably have a legitamate discussion about things.

11/13/2014 6:01:43 AM

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"FSU and Clemson will win the Atlantic every year, it's not even worth arguing. Teams like Wake Forest and BC will never win the division."

That's bullshit and you know it. FSU was quite mortal for around a 10 year span, it'll happen again. And Clemson hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire the last 15 years.

11/13/2014 1:00:17 PM

^It's a joke....because Wake and BC have won the division.

11/13/2014 1:27:47 PM

If there was no FSU or Clemson or BC or Wake or Maryland or Virginia Tech or GT or Duke or UVA or Pitt or UNC we'd have been to the to multiple Orange Bowls.

Just some perspective for y'all.

11/13/2014 1:30:57 PM

We haven't lucked our way into an ACC title like Wake or BC did.


We ran out of all our luck in '83.

11/13/2014 3:07:48 PM

Gotta give Debbie credit.

Raisin salaries and lowering expectations. See you bitches in the Big10.






*Raisin salaries. As in, getting paid in raisins.

11/13/2014 3:44:42 PM